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Latin King Gang Member Shot While Tagging Garage Near Fairmount Park
blogs.riverfronttimes.com ^ | 12/17/2009 | Staff

Posted on 12/17/2009 4:58:55 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

A southwestern Illinois man claims he shot in self defense when a 17-year-old gang-banger attempted to break into the home where he was staying Tuesday night.

Law officers, however, tell another story. They say the 38-year-old shooter fired at the teen from a distance of 75 to 100 feet away. And -- they say -- the teen wasn't trying to break into the house. He was shot while spray painting graffiti on the garage in the backyard.

The incident occurred unincorporated Collinsville just down the street from the Fairmount Park race track. The teen was found a few blocks away near the intersection of Collinsville Road and Black Lane and rushed to a St. Louis hospital with a wound to his chest and back.

According to the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department, the teen is a member of the Latin King street gang and a resident of St. Louis who's known to frequent St. Clair County. The sheriff's department says the teen purchased three cans of spray paint earlier that day in Collinsville. He's currently listed in stable condition at the hospital.

Sheriff deputies have arrested the 38-year-old man who fired the shot on charges of aggravated battery with a firearm. They say he is not the owner of the residence, but rather friend of the homeowner who was staying at the home.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; burglary; fairmountpark; fairwaypark; gang; gangbangers; ganggraffiti; gangs; gangtags; graffiti; illinois; latinking; latinkings; tagging; vandalism
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The guy was shot for taking out the trash. I guess we are supposed to just let the gang bangers do whatever they want?

Pathetic.

IMO, it should be open season on any gang member involved in gang activity.

1 posted on 12/17/2009 4:58:56 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

The guy was shot for taking out the trash

Meant to say:

The guy was Arrested taking out the trash


2 posted on 12/17/2009 4:59:35 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

And the problem with shooting a tagger is?


3 posted on 12/17/2009 5:01:17 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Red in Blue PA

That’s one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say he was arrested for being stupid. when you shoot from that distance, it’s kinda hard to claim self defense afterwards.


4 posted on 12/17/2009 5:02:32 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: All

ON THE INTERNET - LATIN KINGS (Gang):
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/latinkings/index


5 posted on 12/17/2009 5:03:00 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Red in Blue PA

Another case of the police aiding and abetting criminal activity. Shame on all of them for siding with the useless human waste gangbanger instead of someone who really did not want to be bothered with graffiti cleanup.


6 posted on 12/17/2009 5:06:24 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Red in Blue PA

When I lived out in the country, I came to the conclusion that I should be able to shoot poachers. Didn’t act on it, though.


7 posted on 12/17/2009 5:06:39 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Red in Blue PA

Surely, he heard the banging on the door first and that’s when he got his gun and went outside.


8 posted on 12/17/2009 5:07:11 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Da Coyote
"And the problem with shooting a tagger is?"

It was only one.

9 posted on 12/17/2009 5:07:25 PM PST by VR-21
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To: Red in Blue PA

Silencers are your friend.


10 posted on 12/17/2009 5:07:59 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The report indicated just one fired round and the perp had a entry/exit wound for a good lung shot.

Further indications would be that the bullet didn't properly expand and expend it's energy. He needs to accept recommendations from his local gun shop for different ammunition for that caliber.

11 posted on 12/17/2009 5:08:51 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Da Coyote
And the problem with shooting a tagger is?

Vandalism is not a capital offense.........

12 posted on 12/17/2009 5:09:02 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I want a hoochie-mama for Christmas, only a hoochie-mama will do............)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

LOL—So friendly, in fact, that they will give you a free ticket to federal prison.


13 posted on 12/17/2009 5:09:43 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Da Coyote

> And the problem with shooting a tagger is?

This year in New Zealand a homeowner chased, stabbed and killed a tagger for tagging his property in South Auckland. The homeowner went to gaol.

The case split public opinion neatly in two.


14 posted on 12/17/2009 5:21:44 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Gangs are a cancer on this nation. Until people wake up to this fact and ACCEPT things like this shooting (meaning no jail), the problem will only get worse.

What real disincentive do gang members have in this country to partake in their activities?


15 posted on 12/17/2009 5:23:39 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

NOT GUILTY!


16 posted on 12/17/2009 5:27:15 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Hot Tabasco

And the problem with shooting a tagger is?

Vandalism is not a capital offense.........

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Yes, but a gang-banger getting shot while commiting a crime should simply be looked at as an occupational hazard.

Nothing to see here. Move along.


17 posted on 12/17/2009 5:28:02 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Ack, is that the site with "Responsibility2nd"? Some weirdo. ...)
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To: Hot Tabasco

> Vandalism is not a capital offense.........

Spot on!

I think it is cases like this that give Armed Homeowners a hard rap for Credibility. Nobody ought to die for vandalism, and it can’t be seriously argued that they should.

Vandalism should be punished by hard labor. Lots of it. A few years on a chain gang cleaning up graffiti and vandalism should do the trick nicely.

In this case the right move would have been for the homeowner’s friend to hold the perp at gunpoint for the cops and, if local laws permit, perform a citizen’s arrest. Then, if the perp counter-attacked, that’s a different matter — self-defense comes into play. If counter-attacked with a weapon, all bets are off, fill him full of lead.

I expect the jury to bring in a Guilty Verdict for murder, and for the Judge to impose a fairly lengthy sentence of imprisonment.

Which is how it should be.


18 posted on 12/17/2009 5:29:25 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter; Hot Tabasco

murder == aggravated battery with a firearm or attempted murder. The scroat didn’t die.


19 posted on 12/17/2009 5:30:44 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Nobody ought to die for vandalism

How many people die each year because they wonder into places where the area is tagged as a gangs?

This is NOT just vandalism. People die because of these taggins. Look into it....my words are not hyperbole.
20 posted on 12/17/2009 5:34:43 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Gangs are a cancer on this nation. Until people wake up to this fact and ACCEPT things like this shooting

Oh please! Get off your damn soapbox.........

Approving the killing of a kid, no matter what his affiliations are, over spray painting a building shows just how ignorant you are and stereotypical of everything the leftists accuse us of being..........

You're not only a joke and a disgrace to all Christian conservatives but you're just plain sick!

21 posted on 12/17/2009 5:36:26 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I want a hoochie-mama for Christmas, only a hoochie-mama will do............)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I am not on a soapbox of any kind. You are clueless my friend, if you do not see the threat gangs post to this nation.

My advice is to educate yourself.....watch A&E’s specials on Gangs. It’s a wake up call for this nation!

http://www.aetv.com/listings/episode_details.do?episodeid=158019


22 posted on 12/17/2009 5:38:47 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
The homeowner went to gaol.

That sounds bad........

23 posted on 12/17/2009 5:39:38 PM PST by Osage Orange (Obama's a self-made man who worships his own creator...............)
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To: Red in Blue PA

> How many people die each year because they wonder into places where the area is tagged as a gangs?

Then surely these gangs are performing a public service by advertising their presence by tagging? Would it be better if they didn’t tag and you could stumble into their neighborhoods and get killed without any warning at all?

Make no mistake: I am opposed to tagging and I do not like gangs or the crime that comes along with them. Tagging is a part of the intimidation that gangs perpetrate on neighborhoods. It’s all part of their “package”.

That said, Tags are a fantastically convenient sign that a neighborhood has a crime problem. In my view, gangs would be much smarter not to advertise their presence in this fashion.

Oh well, it makes my task much, much easier.


24 posted on 12/17/2009 5:55:17 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Osage Orange

> That sounds bad........

It is difficult to do something bad enough to go to gaol in New Zealand, but if one is willing to invest the time and effort and really try hard, our courts will oblige.

Gaols here are almost medieval.

It will be either Paremoremo or Mt Eden (think “Sing Sing” or “Alcatraz” but right in the middle of a posh suburb), and he will probably be in protective custody throughout his sentence.

He has received death threats and a promise that he will not be released alive. And, I have heard, there is a sizable bounty issued to help ensure that outcome.

It’s a really tragic story: he was a family man, middle management, and he won’t see his kids while they grow up.


25 posted on 12/17/2009 6:03:39 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

One less POS to worry about.


26 posted on 12/17/2009 6:04:36 PM PST by dbrew2u
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To: Red in Blue PA

Tagger = vandal

Dead tagger = dead vandal


27 posted on 12/17/2009 6:08:07 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: Hot Tabasco
The shooter is almost certainly going to spend some time in jail over this, I wonder if maybe he's having second thoughts about squeezing off that round at a "tagger".
28 posted on 12/17/2009 6:08:26 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Get lost, Mitt. You're the Eddie Haskell of the Republican party." (Finny))
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To: Graybeard58

In reality, the guy has probably saved countless lives by his actions.


29 posted on 12/17/2009 6:10:19 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I visited Auckland in the late 70's.....

Was sort of a business vacation....

Loved it...but want to go back.

Thanks for the education.....

FRegards,

30 posted on 12/17/2009 6:13:37 PM PST by Osage Orange (Obama's a self-made man who worships his own creator...............)
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To: Red in Blue PA
In reality, the guy has probably saved countless lives by his actions.

Reality is that he is most likely going to jail.

31 posted on 12/17/2009 6:17:29 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Get lost, Mitt. You're the Eddie Haskell of the Republican party." (Finny))
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To: Red in Blue PA

> In reality, the guy has probably saved countless lives by his actions.

Bollix.


32 posted on 12/17/2009 6:18:18 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: bert

> Dead tagger = dead vandal

Dead tagger = dead petty criminal


33 posted on 12/17/2009 6:19:20 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: 1rudeboy

No, you just have to fill out the paperwork to get tax stamp for a suppressor, unless your state gov has completely negated the 2nd amendment so bad that you can’t get a class 3 device.

Also looks like this guy just lives in the wrong state, it used to be that if someone was damaging your property, no one cared if you defended it, it was called property rights. Now leftist and statists have so eroded all our rights including the sovreignity of our own property that this is not so in all states.


34 posted on 12/17/2009 6:27:36 PM PST by jkeith3213
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To: Red in Blue PA
"They say the 38-year-old shooter fired at the teen from a distance of 75 to 100 feet away."

But according to the exhibitions by "experts" and authorities, that's impossible. They can't make small groups of holes in the centers of targets 100 feet away--even with their professionally manufactured ammunition for blowing each disobedient thug into many loose chunks of quivering flesh.

The "shooter" (wooooooo-"shooter!") must've been a student of old codgers instead of those in-style "experts."


35 posted on 12/17/2009 6:28:26 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Are you aware of the rampant gang problem in the USA? From the sound of it, I don’t think you have a clue, no offense intended.

Gangs rules parts of every major city. Until we as a nation undertake the dirty job of taking this country back, all is lost.

The chaos on the Mexico border is not far behind if we cannot control gangs.


36 posted on 12/17/2009 6:30:29 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: 1rudeboy

No, you just have to fill out the paperwork to get tax stamp for a suppressor, unless your state gov has completely negated the 2nd amendment so bad that you can’t get a class 3 device, but, this is Illinois in the story so....there you go.

Also looks like this guy just lives in the wrong state, it used to be that if someone was damaging your property, no one cared if you defended it, it was called property rights. Now leftist and statists have so eroded all our rights including the sovreignity of our own property that
this is not so in all states.


37 posted on 12/17/2009 6:31:10 PM PST by jkeith3213
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To: 1rudeboy

No, you just have to fill out the paperwork to get tax stamp for a suppressor, unless your state gov has completely negated the 2nd amendment so bad that you can’t get a class 3 device, but, this is Illinois in the story so....there you go.

Also looks like this guy just lives in the wrong state, it used to be that if someone was damaging your property, no one cared if you defended it, it was called property rights. Now leftist and statists have so eroded all our rights including the sovreignity of our own property that
this is not so in all states.


38 posted on 12/17/2009 6:32:35 PM PST by jkeith3213
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To: jkeith3213
Also looks like this guy just lives in the wrong state, it used to be that if someone was damaging your property, no one cared if you defended it, it was called property rights.

My understanding of the law of trespass is that it entitles you to restitution for damages, and it's a doctrine that dates pretty much back to the Norman Conquest.

Heck, even in Texas the guy has to steal something before you can shoot him.

39 posted on 12/17/2009 6:32:40 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Travis McGee

The shooter made the cardinal mistake of opening his mouth to the cops.

If he’d popped a cap in his ass and kept his yap shut he wouldn’t be having these problems.


40 posted on 12/17/2009 6:33:15 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

If committing a minor “crime” such as trespassing or tagging a garage is grounds for execution without trial, I wonder how many of the people here all hot to see someone gunned down for the same would have would be dead as a result of a minor stupidity committed in their teens - I certainly would be.


41 posted on 12/17/2009 6:36:05 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

The Latin Kingss are some of the worst of the worst. Read about them. leanr.

THEN come back and talk.

The Latin Kings rose to be one of the most feared and revered gangs inside and outside the penal system in the state of Illinois. The Latin Kings ordered “hits” against correctional officers, killed disobedient members and did not hesitate to commit violence against rival gang members. Latin King gang members would follow orders and vowed to lay down their lives for their “Nation”. Unfortunately, this also meant extreme internal discipline and organized fear. One such story goes as follows:

In 1983, an inmate by the name of Carlos Robles was considered an escapee two days before he was scheduled to be released from the Illinois Department of Corrections. Years later, a high-ranking Latin King, who turned informant, gave the FBI critical information about the location of Carlos’ skull and the bloody tale of how the Latin Kings butchered him and fed him to the Stateville Prison inmate population for dinner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Kings_(gang)


42 posted on 12/17/2009 6:39:32 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Oops, sorry about the triple post.


43 posted on 12/17/2009 6:45:14 PM PST by jkeith3213
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To: DieHard the Hunter

A totally agree with that. I find myself surprised to say. You’re right.


44 posted on 12/17/2009 7:12:48 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Lurker

“Get off my lawn!” comes to mind.


45 posted on 12/17/2009 7:14:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee; DieHard the Hunter
We use gang graffiti as an intel tool. Once the smallest bit of it shows up, we engage the entire Neighborhood Watch AND the local Gang Task Force immediately.

We've got our own sources for tracking them down, which we do, and then we bring the heat.

Their houses are watched constantly and the PD is notified of the smallest infractions. I've literally seen gang bangers arrested for spitting on the street.

We photograph and video their activities and we don't back down. They're made VERY aware that a significant portion of the homes on the block have external video cameras which record their every move.

We track down the owners of the (almost always)Section 8 properties and send them by registered mail copies of my towns Nuisance Property Ordinance. That gets the landlords attention.

In short we take no shit from these people. As a result they don't last long in my little corner of the world.

L

46 posted on 12/17/2009 7:23:02 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

None of these things was what this individual was doing at the time - he was tagging a garage, and could easily have been a “wanna-be” or a peripheral gang members - that’s for example the case with most of the teens caught tagging garages in my neighborhood with “gang-related” stuff.

Now, tagging is a real PITA - it can cost hundreds of dollars to repaint a garage, and the city is Johnny on the spot with a fine if I don’t immediately remove graffiti - and I’m right there with the poster who suggested that anyone caught tagging should spend a month or two removing other people’s tagging.

But tagging is not a capital offense - and as to the gang angle, the individual who shot this tagger had no way of knowing if he was actually was a gang member or not.


47 posted on 12/17/2009 7:48:47 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: Red in Blue PA
The guy was arrested for taking out the trash.

Wrong!

The guy was arrested for interferrring with police union job security.

48 posted on 12/17/2009 8:07:34 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Vandalism is not a capital offense.........

Certainly is too; you have any idea how much capital it wastes?

49 posted on 12/17/2009 8:10:27 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Lurker

> In short we take no shit from these people. As a result they don’t last long in my little corner of the world.

Your neighborhood is the sort of place I wouldn’t mind living in. I bet you even keep track of their marks, maybe even digitally. Using smarts against thugs is a winning strategy.

As Mister Punch says “THATssss the way to DO IT!”


50 posted on 12/17/2009 8:13:53 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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