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Modern policing: rooting out jazz impostors
Anchorage Libertarian Examiner ^ | December 17, 2009 | Kevin Wilmeth

Posted on 12/18/2009 9:43:09 AM PST by Still Thinking

Hat tip to Radley Balko for this one.

Just when you thought you'd seen it all...no. To the ever-growing list of insults to human dignity we can now apparently add the musical categorization police.

Jazzman Larry Ochs has seen many things during 40 years playing his saxophone around the world but, until this week, nobody had ever called the police on him.

That changed on Monday night however, when's Spain's pistol-carrying Civil Guard police force descended on the Sigüenza Jazz festival to investigate allegations that Ochs's music was not, well, jazz.

Let's put aside, for the moment, that what we call "jazz" is just about the most loosely-defined genre of music there is. It's like the catch-all bucket for anything that doesn't fit a more well-defined category. Put aside as well that it is usually recognized as an American art form, and here we have Spanish police passing judgment on an American performer working in this American art form.

All that aside, we still have here a person who expects full well to be able to call on the state to act as his personal strong-arm, to enforce his own will upon peaceable others, and a state absolutely willing to throw its weight around when nothing that could remotely be called a crime has happened.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jazz; lping; nannystate; spain
Oh, my.
1 posted on 12/18/2009 9:43:12 AM PST by Still Thinking
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To: bamahead; Eric Blair 2084; ForGod'sSake; GOP_Lady

Thought y’all might like this one. When everything but jazz is outlawed, only outlaws will play everything but jazz. Or something like that.


2 posted on 12/18/2009 9:45:02 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking

If he promises then the customers will decide whether to ask for their money back — or an encore.


3 posted on 12/18/2009 9:45:32 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Still Thinking

Having listened to Ochs’s avant garde “jazz,” I applaud the police.


4 posted on 12/18/2009 9:47:43 AM PST by Salvey
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To: Salvey

LOL


5 posted on 12/18/2009 9:48:11 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Still Thinking

Does this mean we can finally execute Kenny G?


6 posted on 12/18/2009 9:48:50 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Still Thinking

They didn’t confuse Larry with Phil, did they?


7 posted on 12/18/2009 9:51:11 AM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: Still Thinking; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...
...here we have Spanish police passing judgment on an American performer working in this American art form...



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8 posted on 12/18/2009 9:51:55 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: dfwgator
Does this mean we can finally execute Kenny G?

How about life imprisonment in solitary confinement with the only sound he hears is his own music?

9 posted on 12/18/2009 9:54:55 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: Still Thinking
Let's put aside, for the moment, that what we call "jazz" is just about the most loosely-defined genre of music there is

Did they specify be-bop, cool, hot, west coast, swing, modern big band, dixieland, soft, fusion, electric, boogaloo, gypsy, european, business man's bounce...

10 posted on 12/18/2009 9:57:49 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: Still Thinking
As if one of the officers entered the venue, heard the band spend six whole measures on the dominant seventh without any substitutions, and concluded that a real jazzer would have at least set up a back-cycle sequence or tritone sub before resolving--God, what's the world coming to?--and wrote 'em up for the judge.

I would be happy if he played ANY kind of chord. I have to say I find the Larry Ochs Sachs & Drum Core to be a real stench in the ear.

Not my cup of tea, for sure. But if people want to pay to hear this, more power to them.

11 posted on 12/18/2009 10:03:55 AM PST by Maceman
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To: Maceman

I can’t believe I typed “Sachs” instead of “Sax.”

Guess I beeped when I should have bopped.


12 posted on 12/18/2009 10:05:14 AM PST by Maceman
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To: kosciusko51

I think that violates the Geneva Convention, we can’t risk it.


13 posted on 12/18/2009 10:07:16 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Still Thinking

Well, when you’re not allowed to go after real criminals, I guess you have to do something to justify your job


14 posted on 12/18/2009 10:10:29 AM PST by chesley (Lib arguments are neither factual, logical, rational, nor reasonable. They are, however, creative.)
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To: Still Thinking
Here are several must-reads for jazz fans and detractors alike (especially those who claim to play jazz) -

Careers in Jazz - Extremely funny and brilliant analysis of the profession.

Rules for Playing Jazz

1. Everyone should play the same piece.
2. Observe the repeat signs only if what you just played was interesting.
3. If you play a wrong note, glare at one of the other players.
4. The right note, at the wrong time, is a wrong note. (And vice-versa.)
5. A wrong note, played timidly, is a wrong note.
6. A wrong note, played with authority, is simply your interpretation of the phrase.
7. If everyone gets lost except you, follow the ones who are lost.
8. Strive always to play the maximum notes per second. This will intimidate the weaker players and gain you the admiration of the ignorant.
9. Markings for slurs, dynamics, and accidentals should be completely ignored. They are only there to make the score look more complicated.
10. If a passage is difficult, slow down. If it is easy, speed up. Everything will even itself out in the end.
11. You have achieved a true interpretation when, in the end, you have not played one note of the original piece.
12. When everyone else stops playing, you should stop also. Do not play any notes you may have left over.

Jazz Clarinetist

A conductor is getting an orchestra together for a performance but is having trouble getting a clarinet player. Finally, he calls a contractor, who tells him, "Well, the only guy I've got available at the moment is this jazz clarinetist." The conductor replies, "I can't stand working with jazz musicians. They dress lousy, they're always late, and they all have an attitude problem." "Well," replies the contractor, "that's all I've got." "All right," says the conductor, "I'm getting pretty desperate, so I guess I'll have to take him."

The first rehearsal is a week later. The conductor arrives early and notices the new clarinetist, wearing a suit and tie, with a pencil on his stand, sitting on stage practicing his part. During the rehearsal, the clarinetist plays his part quite well and is responsive to all the conductor's requests.

At the second rehearsal, a week later, the same thing happens. This time, the clarinetist turns in a nearly perfect performance. One week later, at the final dress rehearsal, this occurs again, with the clarinetist now playing his part flawlessly.

At the break in the rehearsal, the conductor says to the orchestra, "I've got an apology to make. I was really dreading having to work with a jazz musician, but I must say that our clarinet player has certainly proved me wrong. He is always neatly dressed, he was always here early for the rehearsals, working on the part, and he has really learned the music."

Then, to the clarinet player, "I just wanted to tell you that I really appreciate your effort and dedication." To which the clarinetist replies, "Hey, it's the least I can do, since I got this better paying gig, and I'm gonna have to send a sub."

Jazz Musicians Bailout

Jazz musicians look to federal budget for bailout support

Washington, D.C.

In light of the recent downturn in the American economy, the nations jazz musicians have joined the long line of lobby groups looking to Washington for support as the economy slides into a deepening recession.

The jazz industry is asking Washington for a bailout package and major subsidies on par with that of the auto sector.

As such, jazz musicians also want access to credit and tax breaks to stimulate investment and help the development of new recording and performance opportunities.

“This recession has really got me dragged, ya dig?” says Luther “Hip Bones” Jones III, a New York City saxophonist and a cornerstone of the little known Wall Street Avant-Garde jazz scene.

“I mean, now that gigs aren’t a flowin’ like they used, I actually have to get up before noon and find a way to make some coin!”

Similarly, Jones’ associate Willie “Fat Cheeks” Hughes comments that with the economy in near chaos, the demand for his jazz bagpipe skills has waned considerably. Hughes also comments that with a sluggish economic situation, he will soon have to find another girlfriend or else face certain “homelessness.”

While this crisis has been brewing for some time, a recent spike in the number of trombonists delivering pizzas in New York’s Greenwich Village has recently brought this dire situation to the public’s attention.

Last week, however, jazz advocate Wynton Marsalis met with President George W. Bush and the White House economic team to discuss the worsening situation for America’s jazz artists and a possible stimulus package.

Marsalis was quoted as saying: “I think it’s important for the government to understand that our musical recession has actually been worsening since the demise of New York’s 52nd Street scene in the early 50’s and thanks to the racket these kids call “Hip Hop”. They really should have seen this coming. Once Miles went electric, it’s all been down hill.” As Marsalis continued,”I think that a strong monetary stimulus package and a mandatory listening of Duke Ellington records should encourage a healthy economic recovery.”

President Bush responded to these comments by replying that: “Mr. Margolis has a very good point here. The country will be in dire straights if we lose our “jazzy” beats. I mean, personally, I always enjoy a little Kenny G in the evening while I try to woo the First Lady.”

Bush also commented that a global consensus on the state of the jazz economy will have to be reached. “The way things stand, America’s jazz artists just can’t compete with the lower paid jazz artists currently flooding the market from China.”

In related news: America’s Blues musicians report an increase in depressing lyrics. “Indicates a reflection of the times” claims one downtrodden guitarist whose wife recently left him and whose dog has died.
15 posted on 12/18/2009 10:15:58 AM PST by cliniclinical (space for rent)
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To: dfwgator
.Civil Guard police force descended on the Sigüenza Jazz festival to investigate allegations that Ochs's music was not, well, jazz.

Sounds like a compliment to me.

16 posted on 12/18/2009 10:23:10 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: Maceman

Do five skiddlyweeeeeeeebops as penance. Doop.

Colonel, USAFR
Skiddap.


17 posted on 12/18/2009 10:27:33 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: paulycy

Extra points if you ever heard or saw Bob Cooper playing jazz oboe...


18 posted on 12/18/2009 10:29:11 AM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: jessduntno
Extra points if you ever heard or saw Bob Cooper playing jazz oboe...

No, although I've seen just about everything that can appear with a symphony orchestra except that! Did he come to LA in the 1980/90s?

19 posted on 12/18/2009 10:46:05 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: paulycy

“No, although I’ve seen just about everything that can appear with a symphony orchestra except that! Did he come to LA in the 1980/90s?”

I’m dating myself - he used to play in the LA area in the 60’s and 70’s - one of the great West Coast players, mostly known as a Tenor Player, with Stan Kenton and all the others who could get him, (the Great Ones). He had his own group, but also played house band at Shelley Manne’s and The Lighthouse in Hermosa Beach - the cool divey one, not the shiny new one - they used to put red flags on the table there for us, because the young guys like us who went to hear the bands then were under age...it was magic...small room (reminiscent of Lenny’s in Boston) and they had EVERYONE there...he was still playing through his eighties, though...you may have seen him around LA...Supersax, rehearsal bands and always around Local 47 (where I used to hang and listen to Q’s rehearsal bands) just a great, great jazz guy...


20 posted on 12/18/2009 11:10:29 AM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: cliniclinical

Very funny. Career prospects for musicians are bleak.


21 posted on 12/18/2009 11:12:30 AM PST by Judges Gone Wild (Who is this uncircumcised, to oppose the armies of The Living God?)
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To: jessduntno
always around Local 47

Well, I missed him but I'm very familiar with the world's weakest union having been a member for quite a long time. ;0) Let it lapse before I moved to virginia, however.

I was a professional brass player - classical and jazz/big band - for over 20 years until I got hooked by those new-fangled computer thingies and got into high tech for awhile.

22 posted on 12/18/2009 11:15:30 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: chesley
You tell me if this guy is a real criminal or not. Just not my cup 'o tea, I guess.
23 posted on 12/18/2009 11:19:33 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: Still Thinking
This is a job for Superman!


24 posted on 12/18/2009 11:35:17 AM PST by Clinging Bitterly (MMM MMM MM!)
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To: Skid Marx

The perfect accompaniment to Yoko Ono vocals! [who stepped on the cat?]


25 posted on 12/18/2009 11:43:57 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Maceman

Looked at that link you posted.

Well, for Free Jazz, that’s on the very tame side IMO.

I’m no fan of Free Jazz, but here’s my take on that particular style: Impossible to listen to as a recording. That would be like volunteeringly sticking a screw driver though one’s eardrum. Decidedly unpleasant. Should only be experienced (note ‘experienced’ as opposed to ‘enjoyed’) as a live performance.

Now then, Larry Ochs (as per your link)? Heavenly harmony...compared e.g. to a Peter Brötzmann gig I happened to attend (why? why?) back in about ‘83 or so in the living room of a Berlin apartment (perhaps he was hiding from the Spanish Inquisition?)...err, yes, weird and the crowd was rather small.

To paraphrase Frank Zappa: Free Jazz makes you wish you were dead AND it does smell funny.


26 posted on 12/18/2009 12:30:37 PM PST by Moltke (DOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the Big House - HOPE will get you 4 to 8 in the White House.)
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To: paulycy
As far as oboists go, after all these years, Ray Still impresses me.

≤}B^)

27 posted on 12/18/2009 1:31:14 PM PST by Erasmus (She was a BBC newsreader, marrying above her station.)
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