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Fox says Time Warner Cable may drop Fox TV shows (Fox News OK -- NFL broadcasts out)
Reuters ^ | December 18, 2009

Posted on 12/18/2009 2:46:05 PM PST by Zakeet

News Corp warned that testy carriage negotiations with Time Warner Cable Inc could leave viewers unable to see programing from its Fox broadcast network, including it blockbuster hit "American Idol" and NFL football.

Negotiations between the two sides have been primarily held up by a disagreement over the value of Fox's free-to-air broadcast network. Fox is asking Time Warner Cable for around $1 a subscriber in payment for the retransmission rights to carry its network, according to a person familiar with the talks.

Time Warner Cable executives have balked at paying that much and have claimed that negotiations with broadcast companies like Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc and Local TV which carry local affiliate stations are in the 25 cents to 50 cents a subscriber range.

CBS Corp CEO Les Moonves, who has been a very vocal supporter of getting pay-TV providers to pay cash for the right to carry his broadcast network, has publicly said he expects his company to be paid around 50 cents a subscriber.

Fox said it has for the past nine months attempted to "negotiate in good faith" with Time Warner Cable, the No. 2 U.S. cable operator, which serves some 14 million customers, and said those talks are ongoing.

But there is a "very likely possibility that Time Warner Cable may choose to no longer carry Fox Broadcasting, Fox Cable and Fox regional sports programing," Fox said.

The negotiations do not include Fox's news channels or National Geographic channel in which it has a 50 percent stake.

Executives at Time Warner Cable will be hoping to reach an agreement ahead of January 12, when the new season of hugely popular "American Idol" returns to air.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cabletv; foxnews; nfl; timewarner
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Yet another reason to dump Time Warner Cable
1 posted on 12/18/2009 2:46:07 PM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

I dumped them a long time ago.


2 posted on 12/18/2009 2:49:36 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: Zakeet

Well, goodbye Time Warner...idiots...


3 posted on 12/18/2009 2:50:30 PM PST by jessduntno ("The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.")
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To: Zakeet

Oh man. I have been happy with Roadrunner Internet. Nice bundle. But DirecTV does a better TV job I think, wonder if I can still keep the internet?


4 posted on 12/18/2009 2:50:40 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Zakeet

what date does the current agreement end?


5 posted on 12/18/2009 2:51:19 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Zakeet

they raised internet another 2 dollars a month which makes it now almost 50.00 a month when it used to be 43.00 back in 2006. I am likely going back to dsl.


6 posted on 12/18/2009 2:51:24 PM PST by Munson
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To: Zakeet

TWC is the main provider in NYC (Manhattan). I wan’t them to tell their subscribers that you can’t watch the NYGiants this or next Sunday...


7 posted on 12/18/2009 2:52:02 PM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: Munson

That does it! I’m switching


8 posted on 12/18/2009 2:52:46 PM PST by GauchoUSA
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To: Zakeet

The funny part is that Time Warner will be the ones who suffer as they loose a TON of subscribers if they drop FOX.


9 posted on 12/18/2009 2:52:47 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Zakeet
"But there is a "very likely possibility that Time Warner Cable may choose to no longer carry Fox Broadcasting, Fox Cable and Fox regional sports programing," Fox said."

And Time Warner Cable will find itself getting dumped by millions of subscribers.

10 posted on 12/18/2009 2:53:17 PM PST by StormEye
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To: LibertyRocks

*lose — geesh where is my head today?


11 posted on 12/18/2009 2:53:19 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Zakeet

Ummm... I think FOX may be the bad guy in this one.

FOX wants to charge them $1 per subscriber for their FREE, OVER-THE-AIR local channel. FOX charges other cable companies about 25 cents per subscriber.

FOX is demanding 4 times as much as they have in the past (and who do you think will pay that in increased cable bills?)


12 posted on 12/18/2009 2:53:23 PM PST by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: Zakeet
"But there is a "very likely possibility that Time Warner Cable may choose to no longer carry Fox Broadcasting, Fox Cable and Fox regional sports programing," Fox said."

And Time Warner Cable will find itself getting dumped by millions of subscribers.

13 posted on 12/18/2009 2:53:24 PM PST by StormEye
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To: Zakeet

You definitely want to short this stock if this is the case. It is funny how these liberal corporations are just imploding.


14 posted on 12/18/2009 2:53:50 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: StormEye

I will dump Time Warner.


15 posted on 12/18/2009 2:54:12 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Zakeet

Time to dump Time Warner.


16 posted on 12/18/2009 2:55:34 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Zakeet

How convienient, being right at the START of the 2010 election season and before Obamassiah’s 2012 re-election.


17 posted on 12/18/2009 2:56:39 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Zakeet
I'm already on Dish.

And surprise of surprises...they wished me a Merry Christmas...not happy holidays. They have my money for the foreseeable future.

18 posted on 12/18/2009 2:57:40 PM PST by jrestrepo (See you all in Galt's gulch)
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To: Brookhaven

I think you’re right. I don’t like losing a major network (and it won’t happen; this “threat” comes around every year and resolves itself), but there isn’t a thing I watch on Fox anyway.


19 posted on 12/18/2009 2:59:44 PM PST by Rastus
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To: Zakeet


"Look! I made a bunny!"
20 posted on 12/18/2009 3:01:05 PM PST by Rastus
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To: Brookhaven

Perhaps, but they’ve got the ratings to back up their demand. The other networks cannot say the same. People don’t need to have cable to get FOX’s local free programming, what Time Warner is being asked to pay for is the right to re-broadcast FOX’s programming via their service.

You’re right that this will probably be used by TWC to up their subscriber fees, or it may decide to push the FOX broadcasts up a notch on their “basic/premium” ladder, however, this is business and that’s the way it goes, frankly — there is no “bad guy” in this.

FOX has worked hard as a network to provide quality programming, and is facing a lot of pressure right now from outside groups, incl. the gov’t. - they have a right to be paid for the programming THEY provide. If they didn’t have numbers to back this up, they wouldn’t be asking for it in the first place.


21 posted on 12/18/2009 3:03:20 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Rastus

LOL! :)


22 posted on 12/18/2009 3:03:46 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: GeronL
Oh man. I have been happy with Roadrunner Internet. Nice bundle. But DirecTV does a better TV job I think, wonder if I can still keep the internet?

You can. I have DirecTV and roadrunner. In my experience, Time Warner Cable keeps raising prices with an annoying frequency.

23 posted on 12/18/2009 3:05:07 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Joe Wilson said "You lie!" in a room full of 500 politicians. Who was he talking about?)
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To: Zakeet

Don’t have them and would never have them.
I love my satellite service.


24 posted on 12/18/2009 3:05:24 PM PST by cranked
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Does that Magic Jack thing really work online? Can we really make phone calls that way?


25 posted on 12/18/2009 3:06:40 PM PST by GeronL
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To: LibertyRocks

Does the $1 include Fox local broadcast AND the cable network? If so, where’s the beef? It’s the most watched cable news network and the broadcast stations have the NFL, NASCAR in the Spring, American Idol and 24.

Dish and DirecTV may see their subscribers go up, not to mention ATT Uverse TV, which I understand from some people is pretty good.


26 posted on 12/18/2009 3:08:05 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: Zakeet
I'm very happy with Time Warner Cable.
If they dump Fox, I'll simply get an antennae (for free like last time) from TWC and use it to toggle back and forth when I want to watch Fox.
27 posted on 12/18/2009 3:09:28 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (10 YEARS OF FREEPING! HAPPY ANNIVERSARY EEE!!!)
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To: Zakeet

just pay them $5 less per month


28 posted on 12/18/2009 3:10:34 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: Brookhaven

Folks...pull your heads out...this is the art of negotiation ..don’t get your panties in a wad one way of the other. It’s called capitalism...a dying art in America, unfortunately.


29 posted on 12/18/2009 3:14:21 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: Brookhaven
Ummm... I think FOX may be the bad guy in this one.

FOX wants to charge them $1 per subscriber for their FREE, OVER-THE-AIR local channel. FOX charges other cable companies about 25 cents per subscriber.

How much do ABC, CBS and NBC charge Time-Warner per subscriber? That's the only valid comparison. And I'd bet it is at least $1 per subscriber.

For many years, Fox has lived with a lower rate of remuneration, because they were in the process of building their audience and expanding distribution.

Fox is now in a position to capitalize on the groundwork they've laid with superior programming that has captured a higher share of audience. They are perfectly within their business rights to demand compensation equivalent to -- if not greater than -- the other networks.

In the end, Times-Warner dare not drop any of the Fox programming.

30 posted on 12/18/2009 3:21:03 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: GeronL

I have Roadrunner internet from TWC and Dish satellite.


31 posted on 12/18/2009 3:29:34 PM PST by Hattie
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To: Zakeet

I question why there is advertising on cable channels at all? I PAY to watch these channels so why do I have to endure pointless commercials? I also pay sirius radio and don’t have to endure ads there.

Retransmission agreements are an extra charge to the cable provider. The cable provider will just raise everybody’s rate.

I have dish network basic package which is mostly not worth watching but I live too far away for an antenna. The local cable provider charges about $70 per month for their “basic digital” package which is 70 channels with 22 shopping or church channels, 15 music channels - what a joke.

And I disagree with retransmission agreements. It is free over the air so why charge the cable company to carry it?


32 posted on 12/18/2009 3:46:47 PM PST by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: Zakeet

I don’t have Time Warner, but it wouldn’t take much for me to dump cable TV altogether and go to a subscription only model, watching what I want to see on Hulu and downloading other programming from online outlets like Microsoft or Amazon.


33 posted on 12/18/2009 3:49:48 PM PST by SaveTheChief (Obama lied, America died.)
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To: GeronL
For the heck of it, I got a MagicJack a couple of months ago.

It works well -- so long as you are not using up bandwidth with other online items at the same time. If you do, you may get a bad echo.

It is well worth the $20 for the device and $20 a yeaar. Super easy to hook up and you get your own local phone number with voicemail (which emails your voicemail messages to you if you want).

34 posted on 12/18/2009 3:53:26 PM PST by PackerBoy (Just my opinion ....)
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To: truthandlife

Forgive the stupid question but just how do you short a stock?


35 posted on 12/18/2009 3:55:28 PM PST by nomad
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To: nomad
Forgive the stupid question but just how do you short a stock?

Sneak up behind it, grab the waist band and pull up hard.

36 posted on 12/18/2009 3:57:50 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: nomad

Here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_%28finance%29


37 posted on 12/18/2009 4:04:48 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: PackerBoy

$40... thats worth a shot.


38 posted on 12/18/2009 4:05:40 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Zakeet

Let’s see. Fox is the channel of Oprah, American Idol, House MD, Simpson, So You Think You Can Dance, 24, and other shows. Who is stupid enough to drop a bunch of shows that dominated the ‘air waves’ through out the year?


39 posted on 12/18/2009 4:06:00 PM PST by paudio (Road to hell is paved by unintended consequences of good intentions)
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To: Zakeet
News Corp warned that testy carriage negotiations with Time Warner Cable
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I wonder if this is why Fox muzzled its talk show hosts on Obama’s birth certificate and natural born status.

40 posted on 12/18/2009 4:06:18 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Zakeet

This is only a game of corporate chicken. Each side is waiting for the other to get nervous and cave.

Time Warner would lose large numbers of subscribers and Fox would lose tons of advertising dollars.

They will work out a deal.


41 posted on 12/18/2009 4:09:10 PM PST by Above My Pay Grade ("I don't have a whole lot of mercy for the bad guys, I'm on the good guys' side." -Sarah Palin)
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To: Zakeet
Yet another reason to dump Time Warner Cable

I'd dump them in a heartbeat if I could...

The city where I live gave TWC a monopoly: No other cable providers. And they won't allow Verizon or AT&T to run fiber, so there's nothing other than DSL, and I'm too far from the CO... I need high speed Internet for my work, and that means I only have one choice (satellite latency is too great for our VPN).

If they dump Fox News, I'll cut back to the bare minimum for cable.

Mark

42 posted on 12/18/2009 4:15:29 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL
If they dump Fox News, I'll cut back to the bare minimum for cable.

This sounds more like pre-negotiation sabre rattling than real threats.

43 posted on 12/18/2009 4:17:27 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: Zakeet

Just signed up for AT&T Uverse. Buh-bye TWC.


44 posted on 12/18/2009 4:26:39 PM PST by manic4organic (Obama shot hoops, America lost troops.)
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To: GeronL

It works, but there is such a bad delay that both parties end up talking over one another.

I gave it up because my internet speed wasn’t fast enough.


45 posted on 12/18/2009 4:34:53 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
Folks...pull your heads out...this is the art of negotiation ..don’t get your panties in a wad one way of the other. It’s called capitalism...a dying art in America, unfortunately...

Exactly. I haven't followed this issue, but I think it may have to do with FBC...Fox Business Channel.

You can't get that on the expanded cable offering locally...I don't know how high I'd have to go to get it. I can get Bloomberg, however.

I suspect Fox would settle for FBC carried on expanded cable.

46 posted on 12/18/2009 4:37:32 PM PST by gogeo (Lefties...making small minded pettiness seem...well, fashionable.)
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To: okie01
For many years, Fox has lived with a lower rate of remuneration, because they were in the process of building their audience and expanding distribution...

I think on some systems they actually paid to have FoxNews carried.

47 posted on 12/18/2009 4:38:47 PM PST by gogeo (Lefties...making small minded pettiness seem...well, fashionable.)
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To: msrngtp2002
And I disagree with retransmission agreements. It is free over the air so why charge the cable company to carry it?

Because OTA is supported by advertising. Cable companies also sell advertising. They expect to be paid for their product.

48 posted on 12/18/2009 4:42:01 PM PST by gogeo (Lefties...making small minded pettiness seem...well, fashionable.)
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To: gogeo
I think on some systems they actually paid to have FoxNews carried

Indeed, they did.

Now that Fox has the audience hammer, they're entitled to squeeze all the bucks they can from the cable carriers. And, if it means taking a dime out of ABC, CBS and NBC's hide, so much the better.

49 posted on 12/18/2009 4:46:34 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Randy Larsen

This one runs at about 17.5 mbps download and .5 mpbs upload.


50 posted on 12/18/2009 4:49:29 PM PST by GeronL
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