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(Liberal Quinnipiac University poll finds) Specter tied with Toomey in Senate race
Reuters ^ | December 18, 2009

Posted on 12/18/2009 3:13:31 PM PST by Zakeet

Democratic Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania is running even with relatively unknown Republican challenger Pat Toomey for a 2010 race that could help determine the balance of power in the U.S. Senate, according to a poll released on Friday.

Specter, 79, is a longtime Republican who broke with the party in April and joined the Democrats, helping them reach the 60-vote threshold in the 100-member Senate, a super majority crucial for overcoming Republican opposition to legislation.

The Quinnipiac University survey found voters split 44-44 percent between the two candidates when asked who they would elect if they were to vote today.

In a May 4 Quinnipiac University poll, Specter held a 53 to 33 percent lead over Toomey and has been gradually slipping since.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2009polls; 2010; pa2010; poll; rinopurge; senate; specter; teapartyrebellion; toomey

A 20 percent drop in six months in Quinnipiac push polls does not bode well for the RINO-Rat

1 posted on 12/18/2009 3:13:32 PM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet
Hey, Party Switcher, how's all that hopey changey stupid legislation you're pushing working for ya?
2 posted on 12/18/2009 3:22:58 PM PST by colorado tanker (What's it all about, Barrrrry? Is it just for the power, you live?)
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To: Zakeet

44% for an incumbent in a two way race is very low.


3 posted on 12/18/2009 3:25:29 PM PST by byteback
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To: Zakeet

Don’t worry Arlen, maybe Santorum will endorse you over Toomey....again.


4 posted on 12/18/2009 3:26:10 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: Zakeet
If the RATs have another year like 2009, we may end up running the table....


5 posted on 12/18/2009 3:28:35 PM PST by AdvisorB (Obamatude could be defined by Blago as something tangible, but not quite as tangible as JJJ's offer.)
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To: Zakeet

Specter also has to defend his seat from a liberal rat challenger. Toomey should be the only candidate on the GOP side. This looks promising.


6 posted on 12/18/2009 3:38:40 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: Zakeet

The only thing that could improve his standing is a sudden regrowth of a republican spine.

If he were to suddenly announce he wil NOT support a 2000 page health care nightmare, he would be in the news 24/7

(someone tell him! quick!)


7 posted on 12/18/2009 3:39:44 PM PST by Mr. K (This administration is wearing out my capslock key..grrrrrr)
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To: Zakeet
Specter, 79, is a longtime Republican who broke with the party in April and joined the Democrats......

I beg to differ. There was never, ever ANYTHING 'Republican' about this asshole. Political opportunist? Yes. Self-absorbed liar? Yes. Equivocator? Yes. Media Whore? Yes....all those things, but not, repeat not - REPUBLICAN.

8 posted on 12/18/2009 3:43:18 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: AdvisorB
If the RATs have another year like 2009, we may end up running the table....

Keep countin’ those chickens. Did ya count the 2 special elections for the House last Nov? The rats won both congressional seats including a rare seat in NY-23 that had been held by the GOP for a long time. I remember thinking Clinton was toast after the great rat stomp of 94, but Clinton was supported by the voters no matter how big a piece of crap I thought he was.

I don't believe we will even win the House back in 2010. Too many conservatives think the teaparty marchers are ideologues. The teaparty gave the NY seat to the rats.

With enemies like conservatives, 0 don’t need friends

9 posted on 12/18/2009 3:46:43 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: byteback

The fraud in Philly and Pittsburg will come through for Arlen


10 posted on 12/18/2009 3:48:58 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Once-Ler
The teaparty gave the NY seat to the rats.

Wrong. The NY GOP leadership in that district put up a candidate that was more liberal than the rat candidate. If there had been a primary election to pick the candidate, Scuzzyflava' would have never been a candidate. I want to know whether the "Republican" party leadership in that district has been fired?

Enemies like conservatives?

Your name wouldn't happen to be Meghan McCain would it?
11 posted on 12/18/2009 3:59:13 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Once-Ler
The teaparty gave the NY seat to the rats.

No, the Republican party gave the NY seat to the rats including an endorsement of the Rat from the former ultra Progressive Republican nominee upon her departure from the race.

12 posted on 12/18/2009 4:17:57 PM PST by penowa
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To: Zakeet

Good riddance, Arlen! It’s been 30 years too many.


13 posted on 12/18/2009 4:38:24 PM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: Once-Ler

Clearly Obama and the rest of the d-RATS have had a bad year as reflected in the Rasmussen daily tracking poll, and other polls. The Rasmussen Daily Tracking Poll has Obama politically hemorrhaging badly in 2009, and another year such as this could put Obama down near HSTruman’s paltry 22% favorable Gallup number.

Since Obama was sworn in his total approval number has plummeted from a high of 65% down to 44% in today’s released poll. His Unfavorables have climbed from 30% on the day he was sworn in as POTUS, to a high of 54%. You do the math, for it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that these numbers, should they continue to spiral downward, could put a real drag on the ticket in 2010, spelling doom for many of those 69 Congressional RATs who won in marginal districts that either McCain or Bush41 carried in the last two Presidential elections.

I hope we can bring the TeaParty people (many of them former Perotistas) into the GOP and reinvigorate the party. The GOP should be a right-of-center Conservative Party, and the RATs should be the left-of-center socialist/progressive/communist party.

In NY-23 Scuzzyfava was a farleft big spending liberal who supported card check, voted for higher taxes in the NY Assembly, and supported Obama’s stimulas package. She might have been farther left than the eventual RAT winner, so it wasn’t the teaparty that sunk her campaign...no, she sunk her own campaign. I think Doug Hoffman, the Independent, ran an impressive campaign considering how late he got into the race. And Scuzzy showed her true political colors, and what a real squish she was, by endorsing the RAT candidate. Some Republican you were supporting there.


14 posted on 12/18/2009 4:42:02 PM PST by AdvisorB (Obamatude could be defined by Blago as something tangible, but not quite as tangible as JJJ's offer.)
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To: Tailback
Wrong. The NY GOP leadership in that district put up a candidate that was more liberal than the rat candidate.

Prove that. Scuzzy was a moderate and a closer match with the RINO who Owens replaced. She voted against the Rockefeller Drug Law Reform which reduced sentences for drug crimes. She voted against the comprehensive gun package, which earned her an endorsement from the NRA. She voted against the Farmworkers Bill of Rights which protects farmworkers(illegals). She voted against a bill that gave more pay to cops in NY City that speak a foreign language on the job. She voted against regulating “no-knock” warrants and monitoring all search warrants. She vote against the 2010 Campaign Finance Reform Act, which would provide “for optional partial public financing of certain election campaigns in this state.” She voted against a bill that required restaurants to post the caloric information, and another bill banning trans fats in restaurants. She voted against several liberal housing and rent control bills.

A lot of ignorant conservatives who get all there news from FR have said the rat was more conservative than Scuzzy. That is a lie.

If there had been a primary election to pick the candidate, Scuzzyflava' would have never been a candidate.

More ignorance. Conservatives sent a message to 0 in Nov. The message is "The anti-obama constituency is so powerless they are fighting for second place. This is a good day to be a rat." The rats are willing to bend, overlook, and break any law to win. They will lie to win. They will pretend to be centrists. We can't do that for fear the conservatives will desert the party. Conservatives think the best way win is to bludgeon the inhabitants of Reagan's Big Tent.

The GOP promoted a moderate candidate in New York in a RINO seat. That is a winning stratagy. Hoffman got every conservative vote, and he lost. Conservatives should consider a strategy that expends less energy going after RINOs in favor of going after democrats ( the guys in power ), but they wont. Conservatives will blame the GOP leadership for an unelectable conservative failing to win in a liberal state.

Hoffman is lousy speaker. He's a flash in the pan that was in the right place at the right time to capture the hearts and wallets of disaffected conservatives today. We have a worse chance of getting that seat back in 2010 then we did last Nov. That is a fact proved by history. If Hoffman runs again from outside of the 23rd district(he doesn't live in the district he ran in), and somehow wins the primary(which I doubt he can do)...I bet you $100 he loses. This time he won't be able to count on RINO’s (a majority of GOP voters in that district, as proved by previous elections) holding their nose and voting for him as a message to 0, they are just as like to be angry at Hoffman for electing Owens in the first place.

The GOP now has 2 out of 31 congressional seats in NY.

15 posted on 12/18/2009 4:54:52 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: AdvisorB
The polls mean nothing today. I'm glad they are bad for Osama, but Clinton won election with 43%. If the teaparty draws off 10% of the anti-Osama vote he will easily win re-election and history shows he is likely to win re-election regardless of todays polls. Reagan had higher unemployment at this time in his 1st term. If you look at the last 80 years of presidential elections there is a 8 year trend.

2 terms Truman(d)
2 terms Eisenhower(r)
2 terms Kennedy/Johnson(d)
2 terms Nixon(r)
1 term Carter(d) 1 term Reagan(r) the only exception and look how bad Carter was
2nd term Reagan 1 term Bush(r)
2 terms Clinton(d)
2 terms Bush(r)

Osama will have to be really bad to lose. I do not underestimate the American worker to fix the economy despite Osama.

See post 15 to see what I think of the stupid NY-23 race.

16 posted on 12/18/2009 5:15:37 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: Once-Ler

Screw ALL RINOS. If you are a liberal republican then go join the Bolsheviks. We are coming after you. One by one.


17 posted on 12/18/2009 5:18:29 PM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Flavious_Maximus
Screw ALL RINOS. If you are a liberal republican then go join the Bolsheviks. We are coming after you. One by one.

RINOs may jump ship to affect change if it becomes clear that rats are the only game. If the GOP losses the conservatives the GOP will have to move to the left to get a majority of votes. Conservatives are working very hard to prove their irrelevancy. Like I said conservatives couldn't stop McCain and they couldn't elect Palin. I'm not sure they matter anymore.

18 posted on 12/18/2009 5:43:17 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: Once-Ler

You say the polls mean nothing, and then in the next sentence you say that you’re glad they are bad for Osama. But if the polls mean nothing, it doesn’t matter whether they’re good or bad for OsamaObama, right?

I don’t believe we have to worry about a major teaparty revolt in the 2012 general elections creating a schism in the center-right ranks, unless the GOP barons in the smoke filled room give us a Presidential standard-bearer that is as goofy and as far to the left as the Scuzzyfava was in NY-23. Since the GOP will have a bruising primary to sort things out, we don’t have to worry that elitist liberal GOP bigshots, like the liberal Republican County Chairman in NY-23 who met in the latest incarnation of the proverbial smoke filled room (Pizza Parlor) will deliver the election on a silver platter to the RATS, like they did in NY-23.

I never would underestimate the American worker, but that American worker and the capitalist system that gives him sustenance may be under seige by the Obama big spending. Spending has gotten totally out of control, and the Obama deficit may end up being greater in this fiscal year, than all the Bush deficits combined over Bush’s 8 years in office. I think the out-of-control spending is going to sink Obama, and will be a drag on the other races down ticket.

I see signs that Obama is more like Jimmy Carter, than Bill Clinton. The recent national Gallup poll had Obama lower than any other POTUS since the Gallup group began polling back in the late forties, and that poll also showed Obama ten points lower than Carter during a similar period of time during the Carter maladministration. We could be looking at a Carter administration redux on steriods, and that could be the political death knell for Pelousy and Reid leadership aspirations.


19 posted on 12/18/2009 6:10:24 PM PST by AdvisorB (Obamatude could be defined by Blago as something tangible, but not quite as tangible as JJJ's offer.)
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To: Once-Ler
The GOP now has 2 out of 31 congressional seats in NY.

And the NY GOP party leadership still keeps their jobs while they steer hard left. I hope the politician that you work for pays well for you to come on FR and spread this BS.
20 posted on 12/18/2009 8:20:32 PM PST by Tailback
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To: AdvisorB

I wrote the polls mean nothing TODAY. You missed a word.

Scuzzy and NY-23 were an exception where there wasn’t time to do a primary. You seem to say the same thing, yet you blame the GOP for picking a RINO candidate to replace a RINO, instead of a rotten spokesman from outside the district whose ideology was at odds with the district, but more in tune with Rush and Freepers(Hoffman)...whatever, I made my point. The overwhelming majority of GOP candidates will be picked by primary voters in 2010. Few will be authentic conservatives by FR standards. Squishy RINOs like Christie can replace Corzines in liberal and moderate states. Lonegans will get dropped by RINO voters. Don’t be shocked.

I’ve given up pretending to be an economist, but spending is not neccessarily a good indicator of future economic rune. Spending went through the roof during Reagans 2 terms. The economy thrived.


21 posted on 12/18/2009 8:22:29 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: Tailback

Are my posts cautioning against assuming all voters think like you, interfering with your echo-chamber at FR? So sorry. Let not your sleep be troubled my friend. You saw the tea party marches and the long lines at Palin book signings. Just forget about the 10 years of my posts here at FR and assume I’m another enemy. Why bother thinking for yourself when Rush, Beck, and Savage will do that for you. Sweet dreams Tailback.


22 posted on 12/18/2009 11:44:10 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: Once-Ler

The polls mean nothing TODAY? Tell that to Virginia Governor elect McDonnell, Lieutenant Governor Elect Bill Bolling, Attorney General Elect Ken Cuccinelli, and the handful of new Republican Virginia House of Delegates victors that are now replacing RAT incumbent House members. I suspect they would disagree with your characterization vehemently.

While all the GOP candidates were qualified in their own right, looking at the Virginia poll numbers from the beginning of July to the beginning of November of this year, one can’t help but be struck by the similarities between Obama’s tanking numbers and the upswing in Virginia Voter’s support for the Virginia GOP’s Statewide Candidates. For instance, the Public Policy Polling firm from Raleigh, North Carolina polled a Virginia voter sample on June 30th to July 2, and McDonnell was up 49 to 43, Bolling was up 46 to 40, and Cuccinelli was up 48 to 38. Juxtoposing that poll with the Rasmussen polling on July 1, shows Obama’s approval/disapproval at 54 to 45.

By election time, Obama’s approval/disapproval numbers had tanked to 46 to 52. An 8 point drop in Obama likely voter approval numbers in 4 months! Meanwhile, the Virginia GOP Statewide Candidates polling numbers were almost exactly in inverse to Obama’s plunging putrid polling numbers, with McDonnell’s approval rising 7 points, Bollings approvals up 8 points, and Cuccinellis’ approvals up 7.

Yes, tell Creigh Deeds, Jody Wagner, and Steve Shelton that Obama’s downward spiral from July 1 to November 1 “means nothing.” I’m sure it meant nothing to Jon Corzine as well.

Listen, McHugh was left-of-center, no question. But the Scuzzball was a committed leftist. McHugh had a lifetime ACU (American Conservative Union) rating of 71.5, and a lifetime Chamber of Commerce rating of 82. Do you really believe that the Scuzz could have even come close to those numbers had she got the nod from the NY District 23 voters?
While we will probably never know the answer, I would sooner have put my bet on the snowball in hell, than on the Scuzz maintaining McHugh’s percentages.

If the GOP establishment, or liberal Republican primary voters are going to give us a turkey like Charles Goodell in the 1970 NY Senatorial elections, the Conservative Party in NY will be there to give us a James Buckley. Without the forerunners of the TeaParty Movement, in the form of the NY Conservative Party, NY and American itself, would have been stuck with a 1970s version of the Scuzzball, Scuzzyfava, as one of NY’s two US Senators sent to the US Senate.

I’m not an economist either, but I know a sinking economy when I see one, and this economy is anemic and probably heading for a double dip recession, especially after the “Anointed” one raises taxes on the American people (in 2010 the Bush Tax Cuts expire). I don’t thing the Reagan anology holds at all, because Reagan cut taxes across the board 25% over a three year period, while reducing onerous regulations and redtape on small, medium, and big business. Obama is doing quite the opposite, re-regulating the economy and raising taxes and fees wherever he can. No, obama’s spending is far greater in absolute numbers and will likely devestate the American economy for years to come. Obama think Hoover, Reagan think Coolidge and JFK.


23 posted on 12/19/2009 6:30:41 AM PST by AdvisorB (Obamatude could be defined by Blago as something tangible, but not quite as tangible as JJJ's offer.)
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To: AdvisorB

We are going to disagree on Scuzzy, but you are probably right about the economy tanking. I’m just not betting on it. You made good arguements and backed them up with facts. I learned somethings fom reading your posts. Thanx for your replies.


24 posted on 12/19/2009 1:39:23 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: AdvisorB
but you are probably right about the economy tanking.

edit for clarity
but you are probably right about the economy continuing to tank.

25 posted on 12/19/2009 1:43:32 PM PST by Once-Ler (ProLife ProGun ProGod ProSoldier ProBusiness Republican To The Core)
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To: Once-Ler

Reading your homepage, I think we agree on a lot. I also agree with you that we have to be very careful that we don’t cause a schism in the center-right coalition allowing the RATs to insinuate themselves into whatever the public position. 3rd party movements (on the right side of the spectrum) scare the h*ll out of me, and that’s the only thing that can save the Obammunists, a splintered Conservative response.

Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.


26 posted on 12/20/2009 5:03:37 AM PST by AdvisorB (Obamatude could be defined by Blago as something tangible, but not quite as tangible as JJJ's offer.)
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To: Zakeet; All

I’ll never forget in NYS when Quinnipiac had conservative Republican John Faso behind by 15 points in the Comptroller’s. While Faso lost, he only lost by 3 points. I often wonder if that poll caused some conservatives to stay home (who liked Faso) thinking he had no chance to win.

I wish I could tell the PA voters about this.

Quinnipiac canNOT be trusted.


27 posted on 01/24/2010 8:05:16 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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