Skip to comments.Neo-Nazis suspected of raid on Auschwitz ‘to rewrite history’
Posted on 12/18/2009 9:45:07 PM PST by myknowledge
The slickly organised theft of one of the most potent symbols of the Holocaust sent a wave of outrage around the world yesterday.
The sign that hung over the gates of Auschwitz extermination camp, where more than a million people died during the Second World War, was stolen in minutes. Polish police suspect that the culprits were either neo-Nazis or acting on behalf of collectors or a group of individuals.
The slogan wrought in iron, Arbeit Macht Frei (“Work sets you free”), was the cynical welcome to those entering the camp in the 1940s. One million of the 1.1 million people who died at Auschwitz were Jewish.
The theft in the early hours of yesterday was seen as an attempt by right-wing extremists to muddy the narrative of the Holocaust.
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let me explain this. in america any form of “socialism” is viewed as left wing. In europe it has nothing to do with beeing left or right because all parties practise some form of socialism... some more some less but this has nothing to do if they are left or right.
You are incorrect. Collectivism is left-wing everywhere. This isn't a matter of cultural interpretation - it's a matter of describing political structure and function. There are varying levels of left-wing activities in Europe, and none of those countries put the person over the government in true freedom, as does the American Constitution. But Nazism has never been right-wing - that's merely leftist propaganda. Nazi literally means "national socialist" - there isn't anything right-wing about that. Leftists merely want to distance themselves from Nazi butchery, so they lie to everyone's face about what the Nazis plainly stated they were.
sorry but you are wrong. again you view this from an american point of view. and this just doesn´t fit into any european political system. for example in europe the far left you go the more the people will be against any form of government. the far far left can be considered as anarchist. they hate any form of state, police, rules, laws in any form... they are pro drugs, pro uncontrolled immigration (because if we like them they will like us too) against all kind of industry, cars (made by the devil)...
against any form of military, police, faith, work, tax (only paid by idiots) money... in general just against everything what a state (no matter if left or right could represent). i could go on and on. so the left in europe does indeed put every person above the government simple because they just hate any form of government.
Leftism is by definition statism.
What you describe is anarchism, and anarchism is by definition the far right.
yeah i know that i describe “anarchism”
and this is the perfekt example of the ideology of the far left wing in europe. this is exactly why i said you can´t complain the US to Europe. this means extreme left wing in europe for everyone. not because out of fantasie but just because this is what they exactly want to represent here.
the only thing both groups have in common is that they hate the state of israel. (of course out of different reasons but the result is the same). both hate Israel. (not jews in generall but definitely this state)
True, to their own diminishment!
the left wing hates Israel because they think they oppress those “peace loving” palestinians. the right hates Israel beacuse they think that this country plays the holocaust card every time an there for should just shut up. so Israel is the enemy in most of europe no matter what they do. they can live forever (if they shut up) or just die... anyway most people would not care.
As for anarchy being right-wing, corporate fascism has also been described as right wing. It depends on who you ask. But leftist collectivists have long tried to escape being clearly defined, and so they set up the whole "wing" paradigm to try and position themselves as merely one direction away from a center. But this isn't truly descriptive - it's a triangulation gambit to create a less intense (RINO) "right wing" from which they can create a leftist "center" that people will agree to, without realizing that in doing so they are still agreeing to a certain level of collectivist domination.
These dynamics don't change - they are the same in Europe, except Europe lacks the bottom-line definition of non-collectivist freedom that Americans can invoke. So while everything in Europe is varying degrees of leftism (since all the European governments are varying degrees of socialism), it doesn't change the relationships between the greater or lesser amounts of statist control levels.
And btw, Europe indulges itself in considering "anarchists" as a political ideology, which it is not. Anarchy is a tactic - not political ideology, because it cannot ever maintain society - by definition - even amongst the anarchists (who are actually merely left-wing instigators creating havoc for which left-wing "solutions" are then offered).
But "pure" anarchy is the destruction of all order. Regarding it as a valid political philosophy is just a rational as letting arsonists be accorded a valid approach to fire prevention - it's an oxymoron.
well first “europe” has this anarchist vote” they usually rank between 5-10% of the voters (there for more or less irrelevant). i agree to one point most of european skinheads are just uneducated “white trash” who just don´t have the basic intelligence to “judge” on their own (between 0,1 and 1% of the general population). but “leftist” don´t vote for fashism. they hate it!
again this is europe. extreme right wing means you are very close to fashism. has nothing to do with the rest. it youst means i hate all those immigrants and don´t want them here. which 90% of the people would agree to you. but for the left wing it´s racist, Nazi... because you know we love all of you even you want to kill us. but then again there is no way to “judge” american left-right wing to europe. the people may feel the same but the result will be different.
let me add just one thing about israel. “we” don´t care about them they are just a forreign country located on the other side of the world like every one else. if america does. nice for them but Israel is as much important to europe like north korea is. finally we just don´t care. just a forreign country “we” share nothing about. so who cares what they do?
0bama, Achmedinejad, Prince Charles, or the Saudi King
I crossed out
That is media hocus-pocus. Facism means "controlled," 'Faces' are the staves of an iron fence, thus facism is deeply leftist.
Some Nazis were indeed left-wing and Socialist. Goebbels was very left wing, and most of the SA were leftists, most started out as Communist street brawlers.
Which was one of the reasons Hitler had to do away with them to gain the trust of the German business class, who was more scared of Bolshevism, than anything. Hitler was much more pragmatic than most in the Nazi Party. But the original name of the Nazi Party was the “German Workers’ Party”
I used to have a slave-driving, penny-pinching boss would would probably LUV a sign like that! LOL.
I worked for that guy! We put a sign over our shop that said “Works Makes You Free” (in English). He saw it and was so impressed that we had “finally gotten with the program”. It stayed there for 2 weeks before some other manager who was more historically savvy pointed out what it really meant and he made us take it down.
Frankly, I find all the "isms" hocus-pocus. To me, there is the personal sovereignty acknowledged as pre-existing in human beings by the American Constitution, and everything else.
And what a coincidence - everything else is one or another form of collectivist control. Whether by government, corporations, or their bastard offspring, it's all slavery of one kind or another, by which an elite class enslaves everyone else.
That's the reality the elites live by, while they laugh at their slaves arguing over the differences in the mechanisms of their slavery.
Actually, no - NAZI stands for "National Socialist German Workers Party" in German (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) - so why deliberately exclude the crucial "National Socialist" part that was always there?
As well, the association between socialism and the "workers" has been consistent worldwide, so that hardly breaks the Nazi concept away from socialism.
Leftists have labored long and hard to deny the link between socialism and Nazism, an astounding effort at all, given that Nazism IS socialism in it's truest form.
I for one think that link needs to remain as clear as possible.
The original name was the “German Workers Party” in 1919, they added the “National Socialist” afterwards.