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To: darkside321; Talisker

Leftism is by definition statism.

What you describe is anarchism, and anarchism is by definition the far right.


24 posted on 12/19/2009 12:48:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

yeah i know that i describe “anarchism”
and this is the perfekt example of the ideology of the far left wing in europe. this is exactly why i said you can´t complain the US to Europe. this means extreme left wing in europe for everyone. not because out of fantasie but just because this is what they exactly want to represent here.


25 posted on 12/19/2009 12:53:37 PM PST by darkside321
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To: editor-surveyor

the only thing both groups have in common is that they hate the state of israel. (of course out of different reasons but the result is the same). both hate Israel. (not jews in generall but definitely this state)


26 posted on 12/19/2009 1:03:00 PM PST by darkside321
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To: editor-surveyor; darkside321
As editor-surveyor said, Leftism is by definition statism. Nazism is highly structured statism, thus left-wing. It is not anarchism. European skinhead neo-Nazis who are anarchists are either: 1) confused jerks who just want to trash things; or 2) Nazis pursuing random destruction as a precurser to pushing for Nazism as a cure for the anarchy.

As for anarchy being right-wing, corporate fascism has also been described as right wing. It depends on who you ask. But leftist collectivists have long tried to escape being clearly defined, and so they set up the whole "wing" paradigm to try and position themselves as merely one direction away from a center. But this isn't truly descriptive - it's a triangulation gambit to create a less intense (RINO) "right wing" from which they can create a leftist "center" that people will agree to, without realizing that in doing so they are still agreeing to a certain level of collectivist domination.

These dynamics don't change - they are the same in Europe, except Europe lacks the bottom-line definition of non-collectivist freedom that Americans can invoke. So while everything in Europe is varying degrees of leftism (since all the European governments are varying degrees of socialism), it doesn't change the relationships between the greater or lesser amounts of statist control levels.

And btw, Europe indulges itself in considering "anarchists" as a political ideology, which it is not. Anarchy is a tactic - not political ideology, because it cannot ever maintain society - by definition - even amongst the anarchists (who are actually merely left-wing instigators creating havoc for which left-wing "solutions" are then offered).

But "pure" anarchy is the destruction of all order. Regarding it as a valid political philosophy is just a rational as letting arsonists be accorded a valid approach to fire prevention - it's an oxymoron.

29 posted on 12/19/2009 1:16:49 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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