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Evangelical Church Opens Doors Fully To Gays [Are Evangelical & Lutheran Churches Relevant Anymore?]
AP Report ^ | December 19th 2009

Posted on 12/19/2009 4:41:36 PM PST by Steelfish

Evangelical Church Opens Doors Fully To Gays Renegade pastor in Denver finds new followers, but makes enemies too

DENVER - The auditorium lights turned low, the service begins with the familiar rhythms of church: children singing, hugs and handshakes of greeting, a plea for donations to fix the boiler.

Then the 55-year-old pastor with spiked gray hair and blue jeans launches into his weekly welcome, a poem-like litany that includes the line "queer or straight here, there's no hate here."

The Rev. Mark Tidd initially used the word "gay." But he changed it to "queer" because it's the preferred term of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people invited to participate fully at Highlands Church.

Tidd is an outlaw pastor of sorts. His community, less than a year old, is an evangelical Christian church guided both by the Apostle's Creed and the belief that gay people can embrace their sexual orientation as God-given and seek fulfillment in committed same-sex relationships.

Disagreements over homosexuality and the Bible have divided mainline Protestant churches for years. In evangelical churches, though, the majority view has held firm — the Bible clearly condemns homosexual acts. The common refrain at evangelical churches: "love the sinner, hate the sin."

But with younger evangelicals and broader society showing greater acceptance of homosexuality, many evangelical churches can expect, at the least, a deeper exploration of the issue.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: apostate; evangelicals; fdrq; gays; homosexualagenda; queers; religiousleft; sin

1 posted on 12/19/2009 4:41:37 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Then the 55-year-old pastor with spiked gray hair and blue jeans launches into his weekly welcome, a poem-like litany that includes the line “queer or straight here, there’s no hate here.”

And here I thought God hates sin. At least thats what my Bible says. Wonder what this ‘pastors’ book says.


2 posted on 12/19/2009 4:44:46 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Steelfish; lightman; SmithL
[Are Evangelical & Lutheran Churches Relevant Anymore?]

Don't mistake the ELCA for Lutheran. They are a disgrace to the name. All the other Lutheran denominations in America are socially conservative. (I'm a Lutheran pastor, LCMS.)

3 posted on 12/19/2009 4:45:06 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Steelfish

“Tidd is an outlaw pastor of sorts.”

He is a heretic if he is teaching these things.


4 posted on 12/19/2009 4:45:16 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Steelfish

Mark Levin calls them Secularist Churches. I think he named them well.


5 posted on 12/19/2009 4:47:35 PM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Secular...


6 posted on 12/19/2009 4:48:18 PM PST by bronxville
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To: Steelfish

...just bath houses with a steeple.


7 posted on 12/19/2009 4:50:51 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Steelfish
Did they get to the part about "only half the congregation is kneeling"?

Full Disclosure: in 5-10 years look for a series of multiBILLION dollar lawsuits against these churches as widespread sodomy of young boys by queer members and staffers is disclosed.

Cheers!

8 posted on 12/19/2009 4:51:04 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Steelfish
This is so dumb. People who have family members who struggle with same-sex tempttions understand that wanting your loved ones to overcome temptations and live a virtuous life, is not "hating" them.

We love all our children and want them all to live in an upright way. Everyone is tempted to some kind of disordered behavior. Everyone. Love consists, not in saying "Well, OK, have at it," but in saying, "We're with you, we're praying for you: Strive hard to do the right thing, and avoid sin, through the grace and blessing of God."

9 posted on 12/19/2009 4:52:35 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable...and without hypocrisy.)
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To: Steelfish; lightman; SmithL
I should add, there are even some socially conservative Lutherans left in the ELCA, although many of them are heading for the doors.

Also, the church and pastor highlighted in the linked article are not Lutheran.

11 posted on 12/19/2009 4:54:39 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Charles Henrickson

[Are Evangelical & Lutheran Churches Relevant Anymore?]
Don’t mistake the ELCA for Lutheran. They are a disgrace to the name. All the other Lutheran denominations in America are socially conservative. (I’m a Lutheran pastor, LCMS.)

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We joined the LCMS decades ago because the ELCA was drifting Liberal then.


12 posted on 12/19/2009 4:55:32 PM PST by navymom1
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To: Steelfish

The only thing “evangelical” about this church is perhaps it’s outreach to our youth in the sick attempt to indoctrinate them into the queer lifestyle.

Just like Obama and his fist-gate czar.


13 posted on 12/19/2009 5:02:08 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Ack, is that the site with "Responsibility2nd"? Some weirdo. ...)
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To: driftdiver

I have some “poetry” for him:

A worthless person, a wicked man,
Is the one who walks with a perverse mouth,
Who winks with his eyes, who signals with his feet,
Who points with his fingers;
Who with perversity in his heart continually devises evil,
Who spreads strife.
Therefore his calamity will come suddenly’
Instantly he will be broken and there will be no healing.

There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.


14 posted on 12/19/2009 5:03:07 PM PST by I still care (A Republic - if you can keep it. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Steelfish

When did these weirdos co-opt the term “evangelical”?


15 posted on 12/19/2009 5:03:57 PM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: Steelfish
Lest some people get confused about Evangelicals in general, and conservatism.

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16 posted on 12/19/2009 5:05:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Traitor Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative warrior.)
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To: Steelfish

Just another article with an agenda of attempting to make Biblical Christians question and doubt their faith and trust in God’s word, and feel marginalised. It won’t work, we know Who is our Rock. We also know that Jesus Himself said that the way would be narrow and the world would despise us as outcasts. The world is headed more and more towards the one-world religion, along with the one-world government.

Also, I’d bet it’s one of those emergent congregations.


17 posted on 12/19/2009 5:06:26 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: Politicalmom

The term “evangelical” has been being re-defined for years. Now even the term “fundamentalist” is in the same process, thanks to a group loosely known as the “young fundamentalists”, who are in the same process of questioning the “old time religion” as evangelicals went through decades ago, when evangelicals and fundamentalists split. It’s not to the point of questioning such fundamentals as inerrancy of the Bible and such, but wanting to pull bricks from the wall, no matter how small the brick, is always how these things begin.


18 posted on 12/19/2009 5:11:55 PM PST by mrsmel
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To: Charles Henrickson

Thank you for remembering the 8th Commandment, FRiend.

We’re all tending to get as polemical as brother Martin of Erfurt these days.


19 posted on 12/19/2009 5:24:43 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: Steelfish
Evangelical Church Opens Doors Fully To Gays

My church, like ALL decent Christian churches, has always been fully open to gays. We have also always been open to adulterers and to thieves. Unlike the church in this story though, we are loving enough to welcome all comers and still to provide the guidance that they so desperately need.

20 posted on 12/19/2009 5:47:05 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Steelfish
The Rev. Mark Tidd initially used the word "gay." But he changed it to "queer" because it's the preferred term of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people ...

Gee Rev. Tidd, I think God prefers the terms "sodomites" and "abominations".

21 posted on 12/19/2009 6:06:08 PM PST by constitutiongirl ("Neitzsche was stupid & abnormal."- Leo Tolstoy)
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22 posted on 12/19/2009 6:07:08 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Steelfish

Does he also give “shout outs” to welcome the adulterers, fornicators, thieves and murderers?


23 posted on 12/19/2009 6:08:57 PM PST by constitutiongirl ("Neitzsche was stupid & abnormal."- Leo Tolstoy)
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To: Steelfish

Just when we thought home-schooling was the answer,now we’re going to have to have home-churching!


24 posted on 12/19/2009 6:10:53 PM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: Pollster1

My church, like ALL decent Christian churches, has always been fully open to gays. decent churches


what utter crap

did you just join this site to mention that.

Any decent person religious or not knows that homosexuals do an unnatural act and if anyone thinks otherwise then they too are just as perverted and sick.


25 posted on 12/19/2009 6:42:49 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: massmike

the church and the military has been under attack from the perverts and homosexuals for a long time. though if you look at pollster’s post about decent Christian churches then you would see the homosexuals/perverts are going about their agenda.

They come on here and say things like pollsters’ post or they say how get to know a few by going to church and then letting one of the church members know they’re homosexual and then have that person say how they know a homosexuals and he just wants to be left alone or how they just want to love someone.

it’s all a ploy but for anyone who goes along with that crap then they only need to go to MA or go to events like the folsom fair and see how they really are


26 posted on 12/19/2009 6:47:12 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: manc

So you go to a church which doesn’t welcome SINNERS?

The building must be empty.


27 posted on 12/19/2009 6:48:52 PM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: manc
"My church, like ALL decent Christian churches, has always been fully open to gays." what utter crap did you just join this site to mention that. Any decent person religious or not knows that homosexuals do an unnatural act and if anyone thinks otherwise then they too are just as perverted and sick.

I consider myself a decent person or at least strive to be one. And as you say, I do know that homosexual acts are unnatural and against God's will. That is why we are supposed to welcome homosexuals into our churches - so we can provide guidance on proper behavior. As my favorite writer said: "And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to his disciples, Why does your Master eat with publicans and sinners? But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that are whole do not need a physician, but they that are sick. Go and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

28 posted on 12/19/2009 6:52:48 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pollster1

I like your style.

Welcome to FR. :)


29 posted on 12/19/2009 6:55:45 PM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: Politicalmom

Thank you.


30 posted on 12/19/2009 7:06:35 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: manc
My original post (which I'm not sure you finished reading) said, "Unlike the church in this story though, we are loving enough to welcome all comers and still to provide the guidance that they so desperately need."

I am disgusted by those who pretend that a homosexual relationship can be meaningfully called "marriage", not that many gays actually want that status in anything like the traditional sense. I am even more disgusted by those who try to rewrite the Bible to suggest that homosexuality is okay with God. He made Himself perfectly clear, in the Old and New Testaments, and I'm quite confident that He will tell us clearly if He changes His mind. Still, I want homosexuals coming to real churches (not these shams that are ordaining homosexuals or even naming a bishop who abandoned his teenage daughters to shack up for a gay relationship). Otherwise, they will never be reminded that they owe it to themselves and to God to change their behavior.

31 posted on 12/19/2009 7:13:31 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pollster1

yes but some homosexuals come to church with an agenda

They go to church to meet others who have attended that church, they befriend them and then when they think that the person who they have befriended will fall for their “I just want to love someone in peace or I want to be private and love” then they hope that their homosexuality will be accepted in that church.

If that sounds nuts then it is not as I have met some who have said that they have nothing against homosexuals because they know one and they are nice and want to be left alone.
Even on here one woman said that sadly, she fell for it.

I agree however that the door should be open to help those and make them normal and act naturally however your post implied that if a Christian church does not accept them or their doors are not open to them then they are not decent.

Now that is not what you maybe meant but to some including me it did imply that.

Anyway have a merry Christmas to you and your family


32 posted on 12/19/2009 7:40:31 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Pollster1

second post with added comment.
The lesbian who left VT and moved to VA and fond that church is good and it shows there is hope for them. many who left the perverted lifestyle have said it was wrong but of course the activist homosexuals do not make money off those who leave the lifestyle and demean those who leave their agenda.

I hope many more find their way to a natural way as nature intended.
No matter how much the homosexuals say this and that the fact remains that nature intended for two of the same sex to reproduce and carry on the human race

yes but some homosexuals come to church with an agenda

They go to church to meet others who have attended that church, they befriend them and then when they think that the person who they have befriended will fall for their “I just want to love someone in peace or I want to be private and love” then they hope that their homosexuality will be accepted in that church.

If that sounds nuts then it is not as I have met some who have said that they have nothing against homosexuals because they know one and they are nice and want to be left alone.
Even on here one woman said that sadly, she fell for it.

I agree however that the door should be open to help those and make them normal and act naturally however your post implied that if a Christian church does not accept them or their doors are not open to them then they are not decent.

Now that is not what you maybe meant but to some including me it did imply that.

Anyway have a merry Christmas to you and your family


33 posted on 12/19/2009 7:43:35 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Steelfish

Chances are, this isn’t the first bit of heresy to seep into this “church,” not by a long shot.


34 posted on 12/19/2009 8:17:49 PM PST by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: Politicalmom; Pollster1

Christ said... Mark 10:6

But from the beginning of creation he [God] made them male and female. 10:7 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother, 10:8 and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 10:9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

That looks ironclad to me, no divorce and no homosexuality a.k.a. same sex marriage.


35 posted on 12/19/2009 10:52:05 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

So? I never said either was ok.

I said church is for sinners. Who are we supposed to be witnessing to? Other Christians? Jesus spent time with all the outcasts of society, not the local bigwigs.


36 posted on 12/19/2009 11:35:21 PM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: Politicalmom

Correction. Church isn’t for sinners. The word church as used in the Bible implies the blood-washed believers in Christ - not a building. The believers come together to worship and praise God, whether it’s in a building or by a river. Sinners have no place in the “church,” which is also termed the body of Christ.

Jesus told us to go ye into the world - not for the world to come into our gatherings. (sadly, it has) We are to witness to the lost.


37 posted on 12/20/2009 12:30:23 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: Catsrus

Everybody is a sinner.


38 posted on 12/20/2009 12:38:39 AM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: manc
yes but some homosexuals come to church with an agenda

I would hope that Christians could use that opportunity, regardless of why they came.

They go to church to meet others who have attended that church, they befriend them and then when they think that the person who they have befriended will fall for their “I just want to love someone in peace or I want to be private and love” then they hope that their homosexuality will be accepted in that church.

There's one detail that prevents that from happening in a decent church - the Bible. I'm not sure how the perverts expect to get around that.

I agree however that the door should be open to help those and make them normal and act naturally however your post implied that if a Christian church does not accept them or their doors are not open to them then they are not decent.

If a church does not welcome all who come in peace, they are not following the Word of God. If a church excuses behaviors that are prohibited by the Bible, then they are equally wrong.

Merry Christmas to you too.

39 posted on 12/20/2009 4:02:21 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
That looks ironclad to me, no divorce and no homosexuality a.k.a. same sex marriage.

I don't go quite that far on divorce. Jesus had some specific words on that topic, and even if he gave grudging permission to divorce, he did permit it in cases of infidelity. As for me and my life, I am content to marry one and only one time. For others, the Bible does permit divorce at least in that situation.

40 posted on 12/20/2009 4:09:07 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Politicalmom

The sodomites are not coming to church to be forgiven for the sin of sodomy, they’re the only sinner that are actually ‘proud of their sin” in fact, they’re so proud of it they demand you, and Jesus totally accept and embrace their sin.


41 posted on 12/20/2009 7:39:21 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: Steelfish

Are you as puzzled about this as I am?


42 posted on 12/20/2009 7:46:08 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Politicalmom

The body of believers are sinners saved by grace. Jesus isn’t coming for a church riddled with sin. It’s apparent you don’t know the Bible.


43 posted on 12/21/2009 2:07:33 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: Steelfish

It would be better for them if they were tied to a millstone and cast into the sea.


44 posted on 12/21/2009 2:39:36 AM PST by Rocky (Obama's ego: The "I's" have it.)
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To: Catsrus

It’s apparent you don’t know anything about me.

I guess your church has armed people at the door making sure only people who are holy enough enter?

You can’t witness to people if you have an attitude like that.

Obviously, unrepentant sin can’t be allowed to run rampant in the Church body. I’m discussing something else entirely.


45 posted on 12/21/2009 12:08:27 PM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K

I never said to allow radical activists in. I don’t even approve of female clergy.

Not EVERY gay person has some secret agenda. If you lock them out of church, then they have no way to learn the truth.


46 posted on 12/21/2009 12:15:10 PM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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