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Iran's dissident cleric dies
Australian Broadcasting Commission ^ | 20 Dec 2009 | anon

Posted on 12/20/2009 12:03:05 AM PST by BlackVeil

Iran's senior dissident cleric, Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, has died aged 87, official media reported.

Montazeri was an architect of the 1979 Islamic revolution who fell out with the present leadership and was under house arrest for some years.

"Hossein Ali Montazeri passed away in his home last night," the official IRNA news agency said in a report that did not mention his title.

He lived in the holy Shiite Muslim city of Qom, south of Tehran.

In August, he described the clerical establishment as a "dictatorship", saying the authorities' handling of street unrest following a disputed presidential election in June "could lead to the fall of the regime".


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ayatollah; iran; montazeri
Sad news for his community, but he lived to a good age, and passed away at home. It will be interesting to see who comes to fill his position.
1 posted on 12/20/2009 12:03:07 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
Montazeri was an architect of the 1979 Islamic revolution

He may have diverged from the regime over time, but it doesn't change the fact that Montazeri was a key player in creating this monstrous regime.

Montazeri to the left of the turd-in-chief Khomeini.

2 posted on 12/20/2009 1:03:24 AM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin:"Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: nuconvert; freedom44; Cyrus the Great; LibreOuMort; sionnsar; DGHoodini; don-o; FARS; RaceBannon; ..

Ping


3 posted on 12/20/2009 1:04:18 AM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin:"Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: BlackVeil
He lived in the holy Shiite Muslim city of Qom

Can't they just say, "He lived [and died] in Qom"?
4 posted on 12/20/2009 1:05:20 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: BlackVeil
He was instrumental in creating a monster.

Was he really surprised when the monster ate him?

Reminds me of people with babies who bring home a python, then expect the snake to ignore it's programming as it grows to 12 ft.

5 posted on 12/20/2009 1:05:31 AM PST by 4woodenboats (B0-"There'll be no shooting of out of uniform enemies" RR-"The Bombing Will Begin In 5 Minutes")
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Yes, or, for that matter, they could just say the Iranian city of Qom. But they seem to muddle in elaborate titles.


6 posted on 12/20/2009 1:07:57 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

Iran, like a darkened room lit only by a few candles, has had a bright one, snuffed out.


7 posted on 12/20/2009 3:28:22 AM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: SolidWood

In actuality, the regime diverged from him. The revolution was sold to the masses in 1977 & 1978 to usher in a secular government without nobility. Their boogie-man was an easily identifiable Shah and the disparity of the elites over the masses. Only because the Shah was ushering into existence a middle class did the secular concept work for the revolution.

Once the Shah was overthrown, the Khomeni radical forces began the process of first vilifying and the incriminating anyone who was of a secular mindset. This group of radicals on the street were led by none other than Achmedinajad himself who subsequently led the “inside job” orchestrated takover of the Embassy. It was at this point that anyone not alighed with the radicals was exponged from their society, either by fear, eviction or death.

Montazeri was just relegated to a position of self preservation until the latest upheaval and the sense of his own mortality gave him the stones to come out and speak against the current clan of heathens who hold the reigns of power.

Only now, to his credit and mostly to those who have braved the onslaught of the Basiji, the reigns are cracked and drying showing the obvious fraying and soon to be breaking. I was there for the years before the revolution and have studied it ever since. The revolution acutally started late in 1977 and only culminated in 1979. I have a feeling the current one actually going on right now will find its culmination in June or July. I can only pray that I am right.


8 posted on 12/20/2009 4:59:10 AM PST by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd)
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To: mazda77

What you’ve written is very, very helpful. Thank you. I am a total Iran amateur, but I try to follow events there as closely as I can — thinking that as Iran goes, so goes the entire Middle East.

I am wondering, what do you think of Michael Ledeen? If you are critical, please be gentle. I have always thought that I learned more reading his work than any other source. I have followed every word he’s written for coming up on ten years. Perhaps I am learning the wrong thing, but I very much like the fellow.

Again, thank you. Any other insights you may have would be quite welcome.


9 posted on 12/20/2009 5:09:51 AM PST by drellberg
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To: mazda77

Oh, and why do you feel that the current revolution will culminate in June or July? Is there something special about dates in those months?


10 posted on 12/20/2009 5:11:37 AM PST by drellberg
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To: mazda77; All

Good post and good info, although I view the role of Montazeri the same way I would view the role of one of Hitler’s generals who might not have personally ordered the deaths of innocent men, women and children, but was an integral part of the Nazi machinery. I shed no tears for this joker. He’s even now slowly being turned over the flames of Lucifer’s 24 hr BBQ Pit & Spit while his 72 virgins munch on his ‘nads, and those of his old boss Khomeini. Looks good on both of them.

And not only was Ahmadinnerjacket involved in the seizing of our Embassy in Tehran, he was also one of the trainers of the Basiji children who were sent into the battlefield during the Iran/Iraq War as human mine sweepers, carrying little plastic keys which they were told would open the gates of ‘paradise’ if they died defending Iran.

The entire Iranian regime is a death cult, and the reason it exists today is not only due to the insane madness of Khomeini, but due to the utter malfeasance of Jimmy Carter who not only stabbed the Shah in the back, he twisted the shiv with a vengeance. When Carter stumbled into the White House in January 1977, Iran was a U.S. ally and friend, a force for stability in the Middle East, a bulwark against Soviet adventurism in that region, and actually had cordial relations with Israel. By the time Carter got his ass kicked out of office by Ronald Reagan in a 44 state landslide, Iran had been transformed into a rogue terrorist state, our avowed enemy, and a threat to Israel and the world community.

Nice work Jimmy, you screwed the pooch real good. The Shah doesn’t look so bad now, does he?


12 posted on 12/20/2009 5:26:07 AM PST by mkjessup (Dec 20, 1941 - President Franklin D. 0bama changes his name to "Kyushu 0bama San")
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To: drellberg

Michael Ledeen’s commentary has been of interest for quote some time. His commentary comes from more of an intellectual viewpoint with lots of think tank analyisis from whatever information they can obtain. Obtaining any crdible information from Iran right now is in itself a challenge. I do however like his rational viewpoints on how and what our policy strategies should be in regards to the gleaned information that is crdible.


13 posted on 12/20/2009 5:41:30 AM PST by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd)
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To: SolidWood

I just read on BBC and posted

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2411628/posts


14 posted on 12/20/2009 5:47:09 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: drellberg

I base that off my own knowledge of past experiences combined with the secular tone the demostrations have taken since this past June. Add to it the sheer weight the current regime is holding in regards to the internal economic and energy problems that are at the basic root of the large base of dicontent. Add to it the population has given the Mullahs the benefit of doubt for a long time and their promises of a secular society before the revolution are now just whisps of sand blowing across an open dry desert.

The gas has run out for the Mullahs and only the power of the bullets and battons remain. Seeing the open defiance now against both, the days are now numbered and only hastened by the rash of defections and desertions from the ranks of the Revolutionary Guards.


15 posted on 12/20/2009 5:48:11 AM PST by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd)
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To: mazda77; drellberg

I like Ledeen and post most of his editorials here on FR though he has gone out on a limb several times and been wrong.
I believe Michael Rubin has the better take on Iran.


16 posted on 12/20/2009 5:54:36 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Thank you sir and still looking forward to maikng travel arrangements to help celebrate their Independence Day.


17 posted on 12/20/2009 5:58:05 AM PST by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd - Dockery for Gov.)
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To: mazda77

Yup. Me 2


18 posted on 12/20/2009 6:14:45 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Agreed. “holy shitie city” my arm.


19 posted on 12/20/2009 11:51:14 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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Read details from inside Iran and some analysis by the end of today on http://AntiMullah.com


20 posted on 12/20/2009 12:24:57 PM PST by FARS (Be happy, be well and THRIVE!)
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To: nuconvert

All very helpful, and quite consistent with my own amateur views. I like Rubin, as well, though I think I learn something from Ledeen every time I read his stuff. I don’t agree with everything, and indeed have gotten into 2-3 good back-and-forths with him — he is very kind to respond to my posts on his Pajamas Media site. But he strikes me as very thoughtful.

Michael Totten is always a good read, too, and he has a piece out in the last couple of days which talks of how on the Arab street the Iranians are for the first time perceived as a greater menace than the Israelis.

I am one of the few George W Bush fans on the planet, I think. I have always wondered if the restraint Bush showed on Iran was a function of some insider information he had — perhaps that Iran was egregiously overextended for many years and bound to implode eventually. I am hopeful that this is the case, and that we might see regime change without having to intervene militarily.


21 posted on 12/20/2009 1:49:06 PM PST by drellberg
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Shi’ite mourning is done for 40 days. The 40th-day events are usually the largest and most important. Thus, expect big demonstration at the end of January.


22 posted on 12/20/2009 2:07:53 PM PST by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

That is a very good observation, which I had overlooked. The arabeen for this dissident will draw many people in. The funeral tends to be only a minor event, as they are buried quickly with little pomp.


23 posted on 12/20/2009 2:21:46 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

Remember the trigger for the Tienanmen protests in 1989 was the death of Hu Yaobang, a former Communist Party leader who was a reformer.


24 posted on 12/20/2009 2:24:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: FARS

The good die young.


25 posted on 12/20/2009 3:30:34 PM PST by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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To: AdmSmith; All

The 40th day is when the soul departs this earth and into the heavens, so it is a day of closure for the families and friends.

40 days of mourning or as a time period of the soul being earth bound is to be found in various spiritual beliefs/philosophies, including pagan ones.


26 posted on 12/20/2009 5:14:29 PM PST by FARS (Be happy, be well and THRIVE!)
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To: FARS

Damn, ain’t this a shame.../sarc


27 posted on 12/20/2009 5:35:05 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64; All

Read the latest on this at http://antimullah.com


28 posted on 12/20/2009 9:36:47 PM PST by FARS (Be happy, be well and THRIVE!)
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To: FARS; BlackVeil; SolidWood; gandalftb; Dajjal; nuconvert
FARS wrote: The 40th day is when the soul departs this earth and into the heavens, so it is a day of closure for the families and friends.

Here (a shi'ia web site) http://rh61.wordpress.com/2008/02/26/why-40-days-of-mourning-arbaeen-of-imam-hussein-as/ they have another explanation:

Number forty is mystic in Theosophy. According to the Islamic culture if someone practices a good deed constantly during forty days, it would be his inseparable attribute and lead to descending of God's blessing. In some religions forty days and forty nights praying has been special position.

Commemorating of the fortieth day of deeds by their family and giving alms is one of the common custom among some of the Muslims. The fortieth day of Imam Hussein (AS)’s martyrdom is called Arbaeen. In this day Shiites commemorate Imam Hussein's revolution. These forty days are a suitable opportunity for people to develop the love of Hussein (AS) and hate his murderers, in their hearts. Forty consecutive days, from Ashura up to Arbaeen, also is a national ceremony of aversion announcement from oppressors of the history.

and

here (a sunni web site) http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1169972921136 they are talking about “soul” (ruh).

At the time of death, the soul is taken from the body by the Angel of Death. It is later returned to the body once it has been buried. The grave for each of us will either be a pleasant place to wait for Judgment Day, or it may be a terrible place to wait if we were not righteous believers in this life. When Judgment Day comes, Allah will re-create us as He did the first time.

When Moses (AS) prayed forty nights; found the ability to hear the words of God. “And remember when we appointed for Moses forty nights, and (in his absence) you took the calf (for worship), and you were polytheists and wrong-doers.” [Holy Quran1:51]

The holy prophet Muhammad (SW) said: “If someone devotes him only to god forty days; the springs of wisdom found in his words.”

29 posted on 12/21/2009 11:17:28 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: BlackVeil
One event after another, the Iranians come closer to the true opportunity for freedom. I'm looking forward to celebrating it.
30 posted on 12/21/2009 4:01:48 PM PST by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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