Like a last stand type scenario on top of the world, which according "to scientists" is getting warmer.
Posted on 12/20/2009 2:57:15 AM PST by Daisyjane69
Dear Texas,
I don't know much about you. I don't live there.
I know it takes about two days to drive through your vast tracts of land in an aging Mazda RX-7. That drive really sucks. Even when listening to Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" on tape.
I know that most of your nasty collectivist hippies have been confined to Austin, like cells of tuberculosis encrusted in calcium. They are harmless and if the chips were down, you could drive them out to live in some refugee camp on the Louisiana border. They could live there for decades, like the Palestinians in the Middle East, only they would be singing bad college rock. And smell worse.
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I still think it would be impossible for Texas to support itself. They would have to have their own military. Give up all the federal land that is in Texas (how would they do that), Stop illegals from coming to the state (one of the highest number of illegals in any state), and so many other problems. They should just help stop the socialism that is seeping through the states.
If Texas seceded, I would move there in a heartbeat.
Texas cannot secede from the Union.
You are, unfortunately, probably right. Why would they have to give up all of the federal land, and to whom?
And those nasty collectivist hippies have built a city which has an unemployment rate of only 7% and a real estate market where prices are actually increasing.
Texas already has its own (small) military, because we have to keep lending our National Guard to make up for lame states that can’t support enough troops on their own. See the Texas State Guard.
Federal land in Texas? Not much of that left now - you’re thinking of Utah.
We’ve been *trying* to stop the illegals from coming in, but the Feds keep telling us no and blocking our actions.
We have lots of solutions to these problems, if only the Feds would get out of the way.
Texas is quite possibly the only state that could secede on it’s own accord as long as it didn’t sever it’s economy with the remaining 49... My guess is that Texas would need a few ‘go-alongs’ in that plan. I think we could start with Oklahoma (Quite possibly the most Conservative state in the Union) and Kansas (My home state, one of the most conservative) and work some kind of contiguous figuration of Red States from that.
The right to secede from an oppressive government predates the formation of the United States, just like the right to free speech and the right to keep and bear arms.
Like a last stand type scenario on top of the world, which according "to scientists" is getting warmer.
I imagine that you already know this, but just in case...as the seat of state gov’t, it’s virtually recession-proof. Even in Texas, gov’t jobs seem to live in perpetuity. If you look across the country as a whole, most state capitols are doing better than the rest of the surrounding state.
As I recall that right to secede did not work out all that well for Texas and several other states back in 1861.
And, the people of Texas do not want to secede and in ten years Texas as a State or as an independent nation is going to be a Democratic stronghold.
The dirty little secret is, any state can secede from the union....Lincoln be damned. Even today, there is nothing that says you can’t secede. Of course, getting Congress to ratify the secession is the sticking point.
Judging from all the Democrats I know (and I know quite a few, up into their state party leadership), most of them have pledged to leave if Texas secedes.
That in and of itself is a reason to secede, right there.
Not true at all with Austin as the city suffered a deep recession in 1995-1999 when real estate prices collapsed due to the S&L crisis and the crash of oil prices.
And Austin is much more diverse than most state capitals as it has a huge high tech industry. A surprisingly few people actually live in Austin City Limits work for the state.
Again, Texas did leave the Union once and was forced to rejoin the Union under reconstruction.
So no, Texas will not try that move again.
So far no one has mentioned that Texas is the only state to
have once been its own country. The only problem is Texas
wouldn’t put up with all the Yankees who would move there
after secession. They already went through that, remember, in
the 80s. (Urban Cowboy and all that) Never thought I’d say
this, but I would go back, Yankee-hating (especially female
Yankee-hating) and all. And one more thing — the food in Texas is
excellent,contrary to what this author, who never lived there, says.
BTTT
The Texas State Library does not agree with your assertion that Texas can leave the Union.
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas’s admission as a state. Other times it is said to have been included in the terms readmitting Texas to the Union after the Civil War.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union. Once Texas had agreed to join the Union, she never had the legal option of leaving, either before or after the Civil War.
http://www.tsl.state.tx.us/exhibits/annexation/part5/question11.html
Agreed, but that was over 100 years ago.
In California, Schwartzenegger could have just turned the water on for the Central Valley farmers, 40,000 of whom are out of business, thanks to the Delta Smelt. Instead of acting like a girly man, he could have stood up to the EPA and just did it. What's the federales gonna do about it?
If the lunatics in congress pass this health care take-over and mandate 30,000,000 new beneficiaries onto the states medical services, forgettaboutit. Every state government in the union will immediately become insolvent. You think people are mad now, wait till that lunacy sinks in.
And according to the Texas State Library, Texas cannot secede.
And, there is not popular support in Texas for such a move.
Sorry I should not have said federal land, but military bases. They would stay with the federal government I would imagine.
Federal land? Apparently you don't live in Texas nor have you looked at a map of Texas...there is very little federal land.
Federal land compromises a tiny percentage of Texas property and most of it is in northeast Texas. The remainder is in far southwest Texas.
I could see myself vote for it if things keep going as they are.
Last paragraph of post #14
Likewise, each of the United States is "united" with the others explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
This is what brought about the Revolution and our break from England.
The ofrts in texas did not stay with the federal government the last time. I remember reading that the soldiers were allowed to leave but without their equipment.
Would there be a War between the States again should Texas secede? I just can’t see a war again. So, what would the Unites States, less Texas, do?
Yes, it is a political question and the people of Texas have no desire to leave the Union.
ofrts=forts.
Not true - California was a country for a little while.
Speak for yourself, and not for me.
England thought the same until the thirteen colony's decided otherwise.
And, there is not popular support in Texas for such a move.
Agreed. There is interest in the concept though.
Okay, suppose Texas were to leave the Union next Tuesday and the U.S. did not resist the move.
Texas may be economically viable if corporations based in Texas decided to stay here. However, the U.S. would be by far a stronger economic power than Texas and would apply pressure to those companies to move back to the US.
Finally, the Republic of Texas would within ten years be controlled by the Tex-Mex who will be the voting majority in 10-15 years and the Republic of Texas would be further to the left than the United States.
I did not attempt to speak for you, but I can read demographic projections and Texas will be a strong Democratic State in ten years.
I doubt we want a Republic of Texas as it can only evolve into a nation controlled by Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso and Rio Grande Valley Democrats.
YES WE CAN!...that is what Mexico said in 1835! Legally, that depends on your perspective 'court' that you recognize. U.S. Supreme Court rules Texas can not secede, which is trumped by New Republic of Texas Federal judges who state categorically that Texas can secede -- Case closed!
You sure do know a lot about what people in Texas believe and what will happen in 10-15 years. Got any stock tips?
It was annoying when libs said it about when Bush won the second time, it's annoying now. And it won't happen, so it's wasted breath.
Texas may be economically viable if corporations based in Texas decided to stay here. However, the U.S. would be by far a stronger economic power than Texas and would apply pressure to those companies to move back to the US.
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But what would happen if “off shore” meant The Republic of Texas?
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“...Texas would within ten years be controlled by the Tex-Mex who will be the voting majority in 10-15 years and the Republic of Texas would be further to the left than the United States.”
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You assume the the Texas Republic would have the same immigration policies of the United States.
“Ha ha ha! Those wacky colonists! Their pipe dream will never go any further than the feelgood act of tossing a few crates of tea in Boston Harbor! (After all, in practical terms, it’s more trouble than it’s worth.)”
;-)
IMO- whether those hypothetical companies would return to the US or not would be determimned by tax issues. If the taxes were not overbearing, I could see some companies opting to stay.
“You sure do know a lot about what people in Texas believe and what will happen in 10-15 years.”
I do not need to know what people is Texas believe however, I do understand demographic trends and the unstoppable trend in Texas is the whites make up less than 50% of the population and that percentage will only decrease as the Hispanic population increases and comes of age.
Moreover, the urban population centers of Houston, Dallas, San Antonio Austin and El Paso are growing while the rural population in decreasing as a percentage of the population.
All of that points to Texas being Democratic in 10-15 years.
Any state can refuse to follow Federal instructions, its all a matter of enforcement.
Or the US could slap tariffs on products made in Texas or by Texas companies.
And since the US would have by far a larger market, the companies would have to meet the US demands.
Guess how long it would take the north to freeze if
Texas and Louisiana shut down the oil and gas pipelines ?
About 80% of the home heating oil comes from Louisiana,,,
27% of the total energy for the US comes from here,,,
Have you guessed yet ?
Answer : 10 Days Total !
Sho’Iz Cold Up There!...;0)
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