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Obama signs bill mandating gun OWNERS to be locked up in boxes on trains
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 21 December, 2009 | David Codrea

Posted on 12/21/2009 4:05:12 AM PST by marktwain

We all make mistakes, so perhaps this is just one of those cases where the results lend themselves to ridicule. From Fox News:

It may sound absurd. But President Obama signed a bill into law Wednesday that requires passengers who carry firearms aboard Amtrak be locked in boxes for their journey.

It's a mistake in the law's wording. But for now, the clerical error is the law of the land.

I'm sure there's no shortage of antis who would have no problem getting on board with that idea.

Thing is:

The bill text was correct when the House approved the legislation last week. The Senate followed suit Sunday, but somewhere along the line, the language that referred to putting the guns in locked boxes morphed into stuffing "passengers" into locked boxes.

How did this happen?

Did a clerk screw up? Was it a printing error?

We're told the mistake is fixable, but not until next year. And we're told "that Amtrak has six months to implement the policy," so it looks like no one will be called on to test the new requirement.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amtrak; banglist; carelessandreckless; codrea; dumbasdirt; examiner; gun; train
Some "liberal fascist" political assistant thinks this is funny, and no doubt, so does the Obama Administration.
1 posted on 12/21/2009 4:05:13 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Boxes... Box Cars...

Hmmmm......


2 posted on 12/21/2009 4:08:02 AM PST by Haiku Guy ("I don't give them Hell / I tell the truth about them / And they think it's Hell" -- Harry Truman)
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To: marktwain

Uhoh


3 posted on 12/21/2009 4:10:36 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: Haiku Guy

Yeah, you have to cut him a break. He was probably just reading “Terrorism for Dummies” and slipped up!


4 posted on 12/21/2009 4:14:40 AM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: Impy; TigersEye; floriduh voter; snippy_about_it; ovrtaxt; syriacus; TigerLikesRooster; ...

Talk about a blunder!

“It’s a mistake in the law’s wording. But for now, the clerical error is the law of the land.”


5 posted on 12/21/2009 4:15:13 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ayers unimportant? What about Robert KKK Byrd or FALN pardons? DNC -- the terrorism party.)
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To: marktwain

Clerical error? Yeah right. Even if it was an error, it shows that Congress needs to read every bill aloud on the floor of the both the House and Senate before any vote can be taken.


6 posted on 12/21/2009 4:18:50 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Haiku Guy
Boxes... Box Cars...

Hmmmm......
Box cutters.... mmmm mmmm mmmmmmm
7 posted on 12/21/2009 4:19:20 AM PST by VastRWCon (Drill Baby Drill - Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Haiku Guy

I thought those without guns might as well consider themselves locked in box cars. I mean, they benefit from gun owners in that criminals won’t try a chance on anyone.

Liberals should be reminded that Universal Health care in France provide known rape wagons and special night trains for women only. Those who do not go on night trains are considered fair games for muslims, as well as those showing off other forms of wealth in such environments.


8 posted on 12/21/2009 4:19:54 AM PST by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: marktwain

They must be worried about them hijacking an AMTRAK. Typical Liberal morons.


9 posted on 12/21/2009 4:23:03 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: marktwain
" . . . stuffing passengers" into locked boxes."

No mistake here. Just an incomplete sentence. Meant to say, stuffing passengers into locked cattle cars.

10 posted on 12/21/2009 4:24:33 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: marktwain
Congressmen don't read the laws they enact. The President doesn't read the laws he signs. Or maybe the President and Congress want to lock people in boxcar.

11 posted on 12/21/2009 4:24:52 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: marktwain

How do you “mandate” away a Constitutional right?


12 posted on 12/21/2009 4:29:29 AM PST by FrankR (oBAMA: I'd rather pay higher premiums and live, than sit before your Death Panels and die.)
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To: marktwain

“getting on board”

LOL! Do you actually go through security for trains


13 posted on 12/21/2009 4:44:32 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: marktwain

I suspect some clerk made the change to be funny, and no one caught it in time. Somewhere somebody is laughing his a$$ off. I got a giggle too.


14 posted on 12/21/2009 4:58:17 AM PST by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: ricks_place
Or maybe the President and Congress want to lock people in boxcar.

Yes, of course they must be locked in for their own safety. Once they reach their final destination, they will be set free.

15 posted on 12/21/2009 5:04:02 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: marktwain

Anyone Know the bill number? Would like to look at this or a site that list all the bill recently signed into law.


16 posted on 12/21/2009 5:08:47 AM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: marktwain

Hmmm.......Last time a government required people to be locked up in boxes on trains was ............................


17 posted on 12/21/2009 5:20:32 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama - The first ever elected lame duck..............)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

I wonder how many other errors in wording slip by them if those morons who keep getting elected to Congress let this one get by them.


18 posted on 12/21/2009 5:21:36 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

What’s actually amusing about this, however, is that people can still carry on trains because the law is ineffective in accomplishing what the authors intended.

I’d love to see the first case where they try to enforce this law as written.

They wouldn’t dare....

Would they?


19 posted on 12/21/2009 5:23:58 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

bang


20 posted on 12/21/2009 5:24:50 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: marktwain

From the NRA site:

Amtrak Update

Friday, December 18, 2009

As we reported in last week’s Grassroots Alert, on December 10, the U.S. House of Representatives approved an NRA-backed amendment, introduced by U.S. Senator Roger Wicker (R-Miss.), to allow Amtrak travelers to transport firearms in checked baggage where checked baggage service is available. The Wicker amendment was included along with several government agencies’ appropriations bills in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2010.

The Firearms Owners’ Protection Act protects law-abiding gun owners from local interference when traveling by car, and the Transportation Security Administration has rules for transporting guns in checked baggage for those traveling by air. But for nearly a decade, those who travel by train have been prohibited from bringing firearms on board Amtrak. The Wicker Amendment will fix that problem.

A modified version of the amendment was included as one of the six appropriations bills considered as an omnibus spending package. The measure was passed by both houses of Congress and was signed into law on Wednesday, December 16.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5257


21 posted on 12/21/2009 5:25:01 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

mark


22 posted on 12/21/2009 5:31:06 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah."Our middle regiment, Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
A haiku:


it was no error
barack says get on the train
next stop the death camps

23 posted on 12/21/2009 5:34:14 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (For them, a Freudian slip. For us, a valuable clue. STOCKPILE TODAY)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Folks, keep this in mind -

they can’t get everyone at once on the first “wave” of either roundups or confiscations.

The second wave will have quite a bit more trouble than the first.

And those who sent the waves will start seeing some trouble of their own at that point.


24 posted on 12/21/2009 5:36:24 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: marktwain

Is it even a law? If the bill passed by the House and Senate is not the same then can it be law.


25 posted on 12/21/2009 5:36:54 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: marktwain

While we all laugh at these Jackasses in Washington they are having the last laugh..

Am I missing something? Doesn’t this mean there are still no legal practical provisions for carrying a firearm on a Train for the next year or so?

Whose laughing now?

W


26 posted on 12/21/2009 5:37:48 AM PST by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: Ratman83

Nope, it can’t be law. The house and senate versions have to be exactly the same


27 posted on 12/21/2009 5:40:04 AM PST by jpp113
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To: ricks_place

I almost wonder if the Obama team wasn’t in on the theft of the Arbeit Macht Frei sign. He could probably see a use for it over here.


28 posted on 12/21/2009 5:40:52 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: marktwain

Obama isn’t reading any of the bills he signs, this is proof.


29 posted on 12/21/2009 5:43:01 AM PST by MaxMax (Obamao can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: marktwain

Fortunately, gun owners aren’t apt to be riding on the very rail transportion system that they have subsidized through their excessive taxes.


30 posted on 12/21/2009 5:52:13 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: marktwain
They probably meant "box cars".
31 posted on 12/21/2009 5:54:03 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Phobos, kerdos, and doxa,” said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”)
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To: wolfcreek
LOL! Do you actually go through security for trains

Well, you never know when a train might get hijacked...

"Turn left at the next crossing or the old lady gets it right between the eyes"

32 posted on 12/21/2009 5:55:06 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: marktwain

I found its HR 1105 but I am having a problem finding the amendment number. It was sponsored by Rodger Kicker but all references so far have no number just the intent of the amendment. My goal is to find the bad wording in the bill.


33 posted on 12/21/2009 6:22:56 AM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Once they reach their final destination, they will be set free

"hot showers for everyone"...

34 posted on 12/21/2009 7:57:17 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: marktwain

A good example of why it is important that EVERY bill be read into the Congressional Record - everyone knows what it is that is being voted on, word-for-word.

The health-care bill is a prime upcoming candidate for such clarity. Start reading, Mr. Congressman - should only take about 50 hours to get thru it.


35 posted on 12/21/2009 8:11:09 AM PST by ctdonath2 (It from fit.)
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To: jafojeffsurf

You could try these...

http://www.votesmart.org/index.htm

http://www.opencongress.org/

http://www.govtrack.us/

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_111_1.htm

http://www.heritage.org/

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/index.html


36 posted on 12/21/2009 10:13:30 AM PST by deks
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To: jafojeffsurf

Good luck with this!

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c111query.html


37 posted on 12/21/2009 10:53:22 AM PST by deks
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To: deks

Got it, Thanks.
S1638 IS

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c111:9:./temp/~c111X8jQs4::


38 posted on 12/21/2009 11:15:21 AM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: marktwain

“Don’t box me, bro!”


39 posted on 12/21/2009 11:21:48 AM PST by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: marktwain; All

Ok here is what I believe this article is about and I must be missing something in the wording but I do not see the miss wording.

S 1638 IS

SEC. 3. SECURE TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS ON PASSENGER TRAINS.

Section 24305 of title 49, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(g) Secure Transportation of Firearms- If an Amtrak station accepts checked baggage for a specific Amtrak route, an Amtrak passenger holding a ticket for such route shall be allowed to place an unloaded firearm or starter pistol in a checked bag on such route if—

`(1) before checking the bag or boarding the train, the passenger declares to Amtrak, either orally or in writing, that the firearm is in his or her bag and is unloaded;

`(2) the firearm is carried in a hard-sided container;

`(3) such container is locked; and

`(4) only the passenger has the key or combination for such container.

`(h) Small Arms Ammunition- An Amtrak passenger shall be allowed to place small arms ammunition for personal use in a checked bag on an Amtrak route if the ammunition is securely packed—
`(1) in fiber, wood, or metal boxes; or

`(2) in other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.

`(i) Applicability- Subsections (g) and (h) shall not apply in any fiscal year in which Amtrak does not receive Federal financial assistance.’.

What am I missing?

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:s1638is.txt.pdf

`(1) in fiber, wood, or metal boxes; or

`(2) in other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.

`(i) Applicability- Subsections (g) and (h) shall not apply in any fiscal year in which Amtrak does not receive Federal financial assistance.’.


40 posted on 12/21/2009 11:27:48 AM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: marktwain

Hrmm well at least I’d be with my gun apparently


41 posted on 12/21/2009 12:38:05 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system. I am Jim Thompson.)
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To: jafojeffsurf

Possibly the mistaken wording is only in the text of the printed version that Obama signed?


42 posted on 12/21/2009 1:29:44 PM PST by deks
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To: metmom
I’d love to see the first case where they try to enforce this law as written.

You might want to reconsider those words.

The box could look like this!

43 posted on 12/21/2009 2:03:12 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: An Old Man

I never thought of it THAT way.

And that’s how some gun owners would go.


44 posted on 12/21/2009 3:04:20 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: pnh102; Arthur Wildfire! March

I agree. Maybe that will encourage them to pass fewer and shorter laws. And if you aren’t on the floor while the bill is being read then you aren’t allowed to vote for it.


45 posted on 12/21/2009 3:24:27 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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To: metmom

Good question. Creepy that they have that kind of power and don’t even read carefully.


46 posted on 12/22/2009 8:54:42 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ayers unimportant? What about Robert KKK Byrd or FALN pardons? DNC -- the terrorism party.)
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To: marktwain

bttt

What is the status of this?

What happened to the video cpatured in British Columbia, taken at night, of the tanks being transported south to California? I was looking for it, and I found this. “evidence of economic collapse martial law preparations”:

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=7521


47 posted on 01/12/2010 10:29:28 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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