Some old rules about thieves never change.
Posted on 12/21/2009 7:45:40 PM PST by bobsunshine
On December 21, 2009, however, Harry Reid sold out the Republic in toto.
Upon examination of Senator Harry Reid’s amendment to the health care legislation, Senators discovered section 3403. That section changes the rules of the United States Senate.
To change the rules of the United States Senate, there must be sixty-seven votes.
Section 3403 of Senator Harry Reid’s amendment requires that “it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection.” The good news is that this only applies to one section of the Obamacare legislation. The bad news is that it applies to regulations imposed on doctors and patients by the Independent Medical Advisory Boards a/k/a the Death Panels.
Section 3403 of Senator Reid’s legislation also states, “Notwithstanding rule XV of the Standing Rules of the Senate, a committee amendment described in subparagraph (A) may include matter not within the jurisdiction of the Committee on Finance if that matter is relevant to a proposal contained in the bill submitted under subsection (c)(3).” In short, it sets up a rule to ignore another Senate rule.
Senator Jim DeMint confronted the Democrats over Reid’s language.
(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...
Payback has to be a bitch. Once we get control, shove something that will irritate the rats to no end with similar language.
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Seems to me they needed a super majority last night at 1AM to make this change....
Nice platform. Just needs dancers.
Nice gallows. Is it Ft. Smith? Where’s Judge Parker when we really need him?
Could we bring back public hangings, reserved for Senators of course.
Sounds like they need 67 votes to even make this happen...which I don’t think he’ll get.
I’d think a future Senate could rule from the Chair that the rule change is null and void.
You are correct.
The current Congress cannot dictate to a future Congress what it can and can not do.
It would be more entertaining to put them alive through a wood chipper feet first.
There is no way the Republicans will get the Senate back in 2010. The open races are 50/50 Democrat/Republican, with many of the Incumbent Rats in very Liberal States.
It will be a miracle if we maintain 40 seats. The Electorate is as clueless as my Chow Chow.
What tha GODDAM HELL???? We need a CLEAR LANGUAGE LAW that prohibits this type of gobledy-gook DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is about as legal as the rest of the bill.
Reid has already pulled some despicable crap. This may take the cake. Doesn’t look to be “in order” since the current Senate rules require a 2/3 vote to change the rules mid session.
Tt the beginning of each Congress the Senate agrees on the rules for the current congress. In any disagreement over the rules at that time I believe it only takes 51 votes to settle it. So for example at the beginning of the last Republican senate they could have voted to change the filibuster rule for judicial nominations.
The chair can make a ruling about a rule though and if 51 uphold it they can essentially ignore the rule (nuclear option).
A conservative senate could later abolish this rule in the future (or ignore it using the nuclear option).
Complicated stuff.
But we need this legislation not to pass cause I doubt it would ever be repealed.
Or perhaps go to the SCOTUS with it...
I'll supply the rope.
The Electorate is as clueless as my Chow Chow.
Surely your dog cannot be that stupid.
It makes absolutely no sense that only 60 could require 67 to undo their mistake! Tyranny!
Hang them all. Dead men tell no tales.
I have lots and lots of piano wire ;-)))
It was Sen Jim DeMint that challenged this!
Still pondering how they can pull this off.
I mean really .. can we not just have the military storm the Senate and just arrest these traitors Honduras style? I will not speak openly of the things I would love to do and love seen done to these people but by god it is not thoughts i thought I would ever have about any human being.
An Illinois Republican rep said on the radio this morning that if there were more conservatives in Congress in 2010 or 2012, all they would have to do is attach an amendment to any bill, defunding the present bill. Is that true?
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Get the word out!
Com-mon
Who was the senate president?? Was it Franken, who knows diddly squat, or Byrd, the Senate historian??
Why didn’t this article identify who was the “qualified” president of the senate, who shut down DeMint???
Com-mon
Who was the senate president?? Was it Franken, who knows diddly squat, or Byrd, the Senate historian??
Why didn’t this article identify who was the “qualified” president of the senate, who shut down DeMint???
I’m seriously wondering if we still will have that chance.
Martial law, etc....
The original Revolutionary War was fought over less than this.
To quote Sen Tom Coburn, R-Okla: This process is not legislation. This process is corruption.
Also according to the U.S. Constitution’s Ninth Amendment, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
The Enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall be construed to deny or disparage other retained by the people.
When I am denied my right to contract with my doctor for healthcare, my constitutional rights have been denied.
What will the Supreme Court decide.
I’ll tie the knots.
IMHO, the SCOTUS is the problem, not the solution. No one has “standing”.
I’d pay to see it. Patty first.
Scourging to death would be a nice touch.
Let’s see.
The Dog is spoiled rotten, she runs our lives, she costs us a small fortune between the fancy Dog Food my Wife insists she eats, the cavalcade of Toys that magically appear after the Wife goes shopping and then there are the Vet Bills.
You’re right, the Dog isn’t that stupid. LOL
The defunding tactic is used at times. The Vietnam War was defunded after all Americans had left (support for SVN). The Dims tried to defund the Iraq War more than once the last two years of W's administration. And, attempts were made to defund anything involved with moving the Gitmo prisoners to the US.
It is done, but there are probably technicalities about when and how it can be done. Maybe someone who knows will address the possibility soon.
IMHO, the SCOTUS is the problem, not the solution.
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I agree. Why am I feeling like Cuba, Venezuela and others like them are suddenly looking very similar to us. We are just prettier and larger.
Yeah, I had pinged you on another one earlier. There are about 4 of these threads going now.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2412720/posts?page=15#15
But for abortion I’d dub that excessively violent. Let’s just call it really late-term “choice.”
The problem is our spineless leaders will never do so even under power.
Sounds like they are trying to enact legislation with the power of an Amendment.
They wouldn’t take it. Internal Senat4e rules, they stay out of it.
We have to replace them. There are few good men, but most of them have been there too long and have grown to like the power they have. They need to be humbled, humiliated and voted out. This mess is all their fault.
It's called Pandora's box. Medicare, Medicaid, and mandates on hospitals to treat for free.
Short a complete economic disaster dont expect an end to this government takeover. And don't trust republicans to fix anything
This is bs.
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