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Sorry, Vegans: Brussels Sprouts Like to Live, Too
NY Times ^ | December 21, 2009 | NATALIE ANGIER

Posted on 12/22/2009 1:39:23 AM PST by neverdem

I stopped eating pork about eight years ago, after a scientist happened to mention that the animal whose teeth most closely resemble our own is the pig. Unable to shake the image of a perky little pig flashing me a brilliant George Clooney smile, I decided it was easier to forgo the Christmas ham. A couple of years later, I gave up on all mammalian meat, period. I still eat fish and poultry, however and pour eggnog in my coffee. My dietary decisions are arbitrary and inconsistent, and when friends ask why I’m willing to try the duck but not the lamb, I don’t have a good answer. Food choices are often like that: difficult to articulate yet strongly held. And lately, debates over food choices have flared with particular vehemence.

In his new book, “Eating Animals,” the novelist Jonathan Safran Foer describes his gradual transformation from omnivorous, oblivious slacker who “waffled among any number of diets” to “committed vegetarian.” Last month, Gary Steiner, a philosopher at Bucknell University, argued on the Op-Ed page of The New York Times that people should strive to be “strict ethical vegans” like himself, avoiding all products derived from animals, including wool and silk. Killing animals for human food and finery is nothing less than “outright murder,” he said, Isaac Bashevis Singer’s “eternal Treblinka.”

But before we cede the entire moral penthouse to “committed vegetarians” and “strong ethical vegans,”...

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“Even if you have quite a bit of knowledge about plants,” Dr. De Moraes said, “it’s still surprising to see how sophisticated they can be.”

It’s a small daily tragedy that we animals must kill to stay alive. Plants are the ethical autotrophs here, the ones that wrest their meals from the sun. Don’t expect them to boast: they’re too busy fighting to survive.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: biology; health; plantbiology; plants; vegans
"Ethical autotrophs" is the last sign of decadence, IMHO.
1 posted on 12/22/2009 1:39:24 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

My nephew is dating a vegan. She is doing this thinking she will stay slim. Unfortunately, her ethics doesn’t extend to chocolate chip cookies.

I agree with you about the ‘ethical autotrophs’. They take silliness to celestial levels!


2 posted on 12/22/2009 1:45:31 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: neverdem
My dietary decisions are arbitrary and inconsistent

At least this one admits she's a deluded kook. That sets her apart from most.

3 posted on 12/22/2009 1:45:41 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: SatinDoll

Just don’t tell her that there’s eggs in the cookies. :D


4 posted on 12/22/2009 1:49:50 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: neverdem

Sheep and silk worms don’t have to die to provide their raw material; what’s so moral about not using wool or silk? Absurd!


5 posted on 12/22/2009 1:55:32 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: neverdem

Read the article. It is most fascinating how plants attract dragonflys; etc., to deal with meddlesome insects feasting on them.


6 posted on 12/22/2009 1:55:53 AM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: neverdem
Plowing an acre of land for a vegetable garden kills and destroys the habitat of millions and millions of insects and worms and other small animals.

Allowing a steer to graze on it and then killing the steer for slaughter results in far fewer animal deaths.

7 posted on 12/22/2009 1:58:29 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: skr

IIRC, silk worms are steamed inside their cocoons, after which the silk can be unwound.


8 posted on 12/22/2009 2:02:44 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: muir_redwoods

It takes a lot of chickens to equal the meat in a steer. She could save more lives by eating beef. Maybe she should consider eating whale.


9 posted on 12/22/2009 2:07:01 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: neverdem

10 posted on 12/22/2009 2:08:13 AM PST by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: neverdem

The only answer for these types really appears to be suicide. They’d stop consuming even plants, which apparently this person regrets. They’d begin *feeding* other lifeforms as well. Actually there’s endless parasites and symbiotes eating on all humans all the time, so she’s on the plate as well currently and down the road.


11 posted on 12/22/2009 2:09:38 AM PST by Tolsti2
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To: neverdem
Plants are the ethical autotrophs here, the ones that wrest their meals from the sun.

Tell that to the Venus Fly Trap. Damn murderers!


12 posted on 12/22/2009 2:11:02 AM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 4 days away from outliving Lefty Frizzell)
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To: neverdem
L Ron proved tomatoes feel pain LONG ago as well. I assume she'll follow this as well:

13 posted on 12/22/2009 2:11:11 AM PST by Tolsti2
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To: piasa

I knew I shouldn’t have assumed! Too lazy to do research. Thank you for the correction and blechhh, what a way to go. The vegans, etc., may be as indignant as they want about the worms. Uh oh, I just looked. Horrors, silkworm moths can no longer fly because of our dastardly intervention! Who knew? They are doomed to a hot, bubbly death instead of bulb-burn syndrome or ingestion by some other creature. Ahh, such is life.


14 posted on 12/22/2009 2:21:07 AM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: neverdem

how can you eat a plant? It’s so cruel. Plants can’t even move away from you when you try to eat it.


15 posted on 12/22/2009 2:50:11 AM PST by ari-freedom (Global warming is the biggest scientific hoax since the Piltdown man.)
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To: SamAdams76

16 posted on 12/22/2009 2:52:04 AM PST by ari-freedom (Global warming is the biggest scientific hoax since the Piltdown man.)
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To: SamAdams76

Plants are the ethical autotrophs here, the ones that wrest their meals from the sun.

She needs a bowl of Caster Bean soup. One spoonfull nd she would be joining Sadam. However all plants wrest they food from the earth and process it with the help of the sun.


17 posted on 12/22/2009 2:53:49 AM PST by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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To: neverdem

It is bizarre that vegans avoid wool. Nobody kills sheep to get wool fibers to wear.

Instead they urge the use of petroleum based fibers or plant materials that must either be raised with a lot of pesticides or undergo considerable chemical processing to become useful as fiber.


18 posted on 12/22/2009 3:14:40 AM PST by finnsheep
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To: neverdem

19 posted on 12/22/2009 3:42:31 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: neverdem

Liberal vegans are clods. I always tell them they’re insensitive and dense because they can’t hear a carrot cry when pulled from the ground. And eating an alfalfa sprout sandwich is like listening to a plant version of the Gettysburg battle. They scream all the way down through your gullet.


20 posted on 12/22/2009 3:51:47 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave
Heheheh, I do the same when I see vegans.

“Tomatoes feel pain, too!”

21 posted on 12/22/2009 4:45:49 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: neverdem

I’m still waiting for my veggies and flowers to defend themselves against deer and bunnies. Pacifists.


22 posted on 12/22/2009 4:57:10 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: skr

Actually, silk worms do die in the process...


23 posted on 12/22/2009 5:05:51 AM PST by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: neverdem

You don’t have to worry about me. I would never eat a Brussels sprout even at gunpoint.


24 posted on 12/22/2009 5:09:09 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: neverdem

Back 60 years ago when my father was teaching me to slaughter and butcher the hogs , he showed me many thing and told me of how the hog was made to be butchered.

The Achilles tendon is there to hang the hog, when you gut the animal if you do it right the whole mass falls into the tub, the intestines are cleaned to hold the sausage links, the hair is used for soap, Nothing is wasted on the hog but the last squeal/

As I sit here this morning enjoying me sausage and eggs I feel sorry for these Vegans who put aside the tasty hams, sausage, the bacon, and go out an buy a processed soy burger.

Well I dont feel so sorry for them that I dont laugh at them.


25 posted on 12/22/2009 5:47:58 AM PST by Venturer
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To: thecabal
"deluded kook"

Like everyone else on this forum, I don't care if a person is a vegetarian or not. But it seems veggie elites are not above lying to to achieve their agenda. Some years ago a stepson of one of my friends argued with me that man has only been eating meat for about ten thousand years and only due to a massive world-wide food scarcity. I tried to set him straight, but I don't know if it registered. Then I knew that the veggie leaders were telling all sorts of tales to gain adherents.

26 posted on 12/22/2009 6:20:49 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: neverdem
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Could somebody pass the ketchup?

27 posted on 12/22/2009 8:28:35 AM PST by death2tyrants
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To: Venturer
As I sit here this morning enjoying me sausage and eggs I feel sorry for these

Just remember, the chicken is involved, but the pig is committed.

28 posted on 12/22/2009 8:31:32 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ari-freedom

I started the Vegetable Liberation Organization (VLO) years ago but it never really caught on.


29 posted on 12/22/2009 9:28:18 AM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: driftless2

“Like everyone else on this forum, I don’t care if a person is a vegetarian or not.”

It’s the “religious” vegetarians you want to tie up and throw in a ditch. I have a close friend who is a vegetarian and I hardly know it because he isn’t “religious” about it (i.e. he doesn’t expect the rest of the world to organize around his food choices).


30 posted on 12/22/2009 9:42:15 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: muir_redwoods
Plowing an acre of land for a vegetable garden kills and destroys the habitat of millions and millions of insects and worms and other small animals.
Vegetarianism is murder!
31 posted on 12/22/2009 1:11:08 PM PST by BluesDuke (A stitch in time saves a surgeon from a malpractise suit.)
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32 posted on 12/22/2009 4:21:43 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

All life feeds on other life.

Even plants need nutrients that come from the decay of other things.

Mother nature is ruthless.


33 posted on 12/22/2009 6:11:03 PM PST by TASMANIANRED
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To: skr

“Sheep and silk worms don’t have to die to provide their raw material; what’s so moral about not using wool or silk? Absurd!”

it’s the exploitation, what’s the matter with you!?!

/s ( : >)


34 posted on 12/23/2009 11:40:09 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: BubbaBasher
I started the Vegetable Liberation Organization (VLO) years ago but it never really caught on.

Years ago I read about radical fruitarians. They live on fruit and nuts and won't pick until it's falling off the tree. They permit grass mowing, but only after the grass has had a chance to reproduce (go to seed).

35 posted on 12/25/2009 2:36:21 AM PST by SupplySider
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To: Yehuda
it’s the exploitation, what’s the matter with you!?! /s ( : >)

That is their argument. They consider honey a product of slavery!

I'm a life long vegetarian, not a vegan, but I am aware of the silent scream of the brussels sprout, so to speak. We all take life to survive.

My philosophy is, choose the point on the food chain you think is best, and respect the choice of others.

I far prefer the attitude of hunters, who typically respect the lives they take, over self-important veggie cranks like PETA ( people for the unethical treatment of humans).

36 posted on 12/25/2009 2:50:50 AM PST by SupplySider
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