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Don't trust Snopes
RenewAmerica ^ | J. Grant Swank, Jr.

Posted on 12/22/2009 4:33:28 AM PST by freedomyes

One would think an entire think-tank university staff is behind Snopes.

Not so. It's a couple — husband and wife.

Their opinions are considered bible by countless who check out "the facts" by going to Snopes.com. These countless include college profs, Congresspersons, the National Review writers, and masses climbing all over the grassroots.

(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: democrats; facts; leftists; liars; lie; lies; morelies; obamaville; pl; snopes; truth
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1 posted on 12/22/2009 4:33:31 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: freedomyes
"B: I contacted Tedd Petruna, and he recently called me back and confirmed the story. I believe him 100%. And FYI, Snopes needs to be de-Snoped. Snopes is completely unreliable, very left-wing, lies about things, tells the opposite of the truth in a number of cases, and gets a lot of things wrong. Why would you rely on some left-wing couple from California to decide the truth for you?"

Debbie Schlussel

3 posted on 12/22/2009 4:37:13 AM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: freedomyes

I have always wondered about Snopes. Husband and wife, David and Barbara Mikkelson. Gotta remember that.


4 posted on 12/22/2009 4:38:34 AM PST by healy61
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To: freedomyes

Like Wiki and others Snopes is a good place to first check out something. I would appreciate seeing two examples of “lies” on Snopes.


5 posted on 12/22/2009 4:41:22 AM PST by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: freedomyes
Truth or Fiction does not have the Liberal bias of Snopes or Fact Check. Maybe it has bias of its own, but it defends Snopes, I think incorrectly.
6 posted on 12/22/2009 4:41:49 AM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: freedomyes
Of course, hidden in the Snopes files, they do say that you should never fully rely on someone else to do the fact checking for you.

How many cite this when citing Snopes?

7 posted on 12/22/2009 4:42:15 AM PST by kosciusko51
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To: Morgana

Libs want to take over the world, we just want to be free and left alone.


8 posted on 12/22/2009 4:42:29 AM PST by razzle
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To: freedomyes
Sorry about that. Try to hyperlink that again: Truth or Fiction

I still have that morning fatigue.

9 posted on 12/22/2009 4:43:19 AM PST by Stepan12 (Palin & Bolton in 2012)
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To: freedomyes

Snopes is generally ok for verifying email rumors. Anything political and you are better off asking the neighbor.


10 posted on 12/22/2009 4:44:19 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: freedomyes

Good info for us to know - thanks for posting.


11 posted on 12/22/2009 4:44:29 AM PST by Joann37
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To: freedomyes

Good info for us to know - thanks for posting.


12 posted on 12/22/2009 4:44:31 AM PST by Joann37
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To: freedomyes

Yawn!!


13 posted on 12/22/2009 4:45:05 AM PST by org.whodat
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14 posted on 12/22/2009 4:52:49 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: jimfree

Look no further than what they write about our Dear Leaders birth.


15 posted on 12/22/2009 4:55:35 AM PST by Josephat
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To: jimfree

“I would appreciate seeing two examples of “lies” on Snopes.”

Obama’s BC, for one.


16 posted on 12/22/2009 4:55:52 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Josephat

thanks


17 posted on 12/22/2009 4:58:01 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: wolfcreek

much appreciation


18 posted on 12/22/2009 4:58:18 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: org.whodat

wakey wakey


19 posted on 12/22/2009 4:58:43 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: Joann37

you are welcome.

merry christmas


20 posted on 12/22/2009 4:59:10 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: jimfree

The cited article of this post has an incorrect link. They included an extra ‘.’ in the url. Here is the correct link:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91196

Following that link one finds another reference to the birth certificate story with an explanation of why Snopes is wrong. No matter whether you believe that Obama was born in Hawaii or not, it is quite plain that the COLB provided by the campaign and cited by Snopes is not definitive.

It also mentions an EPA story about the safety of cfl bulbs. The writer faults them for providing links to the EPA in order to “prove” the assertions of the EPA. I would have to agree that this is not good journalism, but it isn’t really a “lie”.


21 posted on 12/22/2009 4:59:13 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: the_Watchman; jimfree

I don’t have it at my finger tips but I was reading one of their stories on an issue.

It was very slick, like a politician that is asked a question, talks for five minutes but does not address the issue.

They put up the questionable issue and the responses and then talked about only the responses. I got done reading it and was like “What, they never addressed the question?”. Went back and read it a couple more times, same opinion.

They are slick, very slick - just like a politician.


22 posted on 12/22/2009 5:12:06 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: PeteB570

Snopes.com was featured in the April edition of Readers Digest. For most people that have heard of Snopes, this might be an eye opener as Snopes.com is a husband and wife team. Barbara and David Mikkelson.
A husband and wife team that pawned the fraud that Obama was born in Hawaii, with NO documentation to back up their claim, and the public - bought it, hook, line, and sinker!

Below is my post, posted here- again.

The issue with snopes is that they are Urban Legend hunters. When it came to the Obama birth certificate, they presented facts that were NOT true.
By them stating that Obama was born in Hawaii,they had no access to the “Vault” copy nor additional information. They lied, and they lied to the public big time.
When Congressmen and Senators tell their constituiants they verified Obama eligibility by checking snopes, we have a MAJOR problem.
Like I have stated before. Imagine John Kerry, standing in the Senate and stating “We know Saddam had WMD’s, cause we checked with Snopes” or Hillary verifying the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, because she checked with Snopes.

Persoanlly, I feel that Barbara and David Mikkelson, need to be charged with defrauding the public.
Make them in a court of law, prove how they determined where Obama was born or even that he was a natural born citizen.


23 posted on 12/22/2009 5:16:15 AM PST by syc1959
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To: syc1959

THANKS!


24 posted on 12/22/2009 5:21:42 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: PeteB570
They are slick, very slick - just like a politician.

Another way of saying that is, if they cannot dazzle you with brilliance they try to baffle you with BS. They often have as much Spin as they do fact.

25 posted on 12/22/2009 5:24:26 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: freedomyes

Hmmm....”Renew America” or “Snopes” - who do I trust more?

That was easy - Snopes it is!


26 posted on 12/22/2009 5:27:49 AM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: jimfree

One “lie” would be Snopes assertion that they have validated Obama’s birth certificate.

I am NOT a “birther”, but it is clear that Obama has done nothing toward producing a valid birth certificate.


27 posted on 12/22/2009 5:30:30 AM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: freedomyes
The majority of their stuff is pretty reliable. However, they are liberal and that bias definitely finds its way into their analysis of political topics. The article referenced here, however, uses Joseph Farah as its primary source. I seem to recall that Mr. Farah has occasionally ventured into kook territory.
28 posted on 12/22/2009 5:31:36 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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To: PeteB570

I don’t like defending Snopes, but the scenario you mention could easily occur simply because they didn’t have any research material but felt compelled to say something. The results sound just like a politician.


29 posted on 12/22/2009 5:36:08 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: razzle

yeh—we do have the right to be left alone....
so what!

http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2007/09/22/the-right-to-be-left-alone/


30 posted on 12/22/2009 5:36:40 AM PST by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And *Still* Not A F'n Commie Basterd!)
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To: Drawsing
Mr. Farah has occasionally ventured into kook territory.

Blazed some new trails, even.

31 posted on 12/22/2009 5:41:01 AM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: G Larry

true and thanks


32 posted on 12/22/2009 5:41:05 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: freedomyes
Didn't I read somewhere, on FR I think, that much of their funding is from an organization that is funded by Soros?
33 posted on 12/22/2009 5:42:19 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Androcles
Trust - but verify

Three independent sources - you can usually assume something is true.

34 posted on 12/22/2009 5:42:50 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: jimfree
I would appreciate seeing two examples of “lies” on Snopes.

I would too. Most of the examples I've seen are with regard to political issues where often people of good faith can differ.

The Obama BC being the primary one. Snopes has accepted the posted COLB as genuine. If it is, then their position is unassailable.

If you believe the posted COLB is not definitive proof, then you must assume his "natural-born" status is "not proven," as I do. Note this doesn't mean he isn't natural-born, just that he's not proven it.

But it's a big step from a disagreement over the value of a given piece of evidence to claiming they are lying.

That's exactly where the claims about GWB's "lies" about WMDs in Iraq came from. He believed the CIA and every other intelligence service in the world, all of whom turned out to be wrong. Therefore he "lied." If lying means saying something is true when you know it to be untrue, then neither GWB nor (probably) Snopes is guilty.

35 posted on 12/22/2009 5:47:48 AM PST by Sherman Logan ("The price of freedom is the toleration of imperfections." Thomas Sowell)
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To: OldMissileer

THIS MAY SURPRISE YOU

http://domania.us/Oaccess/SNOPES/SNOPES.html


36 posted on 12/22/2009 5:56:59 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: jimfree

I had an e-mail discussion with the Snopers over the Ron Brown questions raised by the military pathologists. They refused to acknowledge that it was military pathologists who had many questions about Ron Brown’s death and it should have been investigated. I stopped paying any attention to them after that.


37 posted on 12/22/2009 6:02:01 AM PST by sox_the_cat
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To: freedomyes

You were right. The bright yellow not only surprised me, but also hurt my eyes a little.


38 posted on 12/22/2009 6:12:45 AM PST by villagerjoel (1. Implement socialist policies 2. ??? 3. Heaven on earth)
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To: villagerjoel

color never seemed to bother me trying to read about reality.


39 posted on 12/22/2009 6:14:23 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: the_Watchman

“felt compelled to say something”

hmmmm


40 posted on 12/22/2009 6:15:58 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: jimfree

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

This link hs to do with the Clinton body count concerning the deaths surrounding Bill & Hillary Clinton.


41 posted on 12/22/2009 6:18:28 AM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: jimfree

As opposed to direct factual falsehoods, Snopes tends to lie by omission or false implication, they give conclusions that are unsupported by the stated facts, and they create strawmen arguments for positions they oppose so they can reach the desired outcome. E.g., they could say that Senator Tom Coburn has never denied killing JonBenet Ramsey (true) so they have to label that rumor “Undetermined.”


42 posted on 12/22/2009 6:21:54 AM PST by Sloth (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8)
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To: freedomyes

Plenty of history here about the Snopes ‘researchers’ being liberal Democrats.

“Online Rumor Mill Spins Its Own Myth(Snopes.com’s leftwing bias undercuts its credibility)”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/968235/posts


43 posted on 12/22/2009 6:21:56 AM PST by WaterBoard
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To: jimfree

Did you check out their take on “commander zero’s” birth certificate as mentioned in the article?


44 posted on 12/22/2009 6:24:28 AM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: freedomyes
THIS MAY SURPRISE YOU

The best part is the cartoon at the bottom.

45 posted on 12/22/2009 6:29:33 AM PST by Ganndy (back to Lurking...)
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To: Ganndy

glad you enjoyed it.

i thought it quite clever.


46 posted on 12/22/2009 6:31:28 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: Sloth

thanks!


47 posted on 12/22/2009 6:32:39 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: WaterBoard

much help. ‘preciation.


48 posted on 12/22/2009 6:39:13 AM PST by freedomyes
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To: freedomyes

According to Snopes it is untrue that Martin Luther King is the only man honored by a national holiday because there is Columbus Day. But King is the only AMERICAN honored by a national holiday and that was the claim all along. Once Washington’s birthday became Prez Day that left us with just one AMERICAN so honored.


49 posted on 12/22/2009 6:43:00 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: freedomyes

bump


50 posted on 12/22/2009 7:02:32 AM PST by gibsosa
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