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Exclusive: General Backs Off on Court Martials for Pregnant Soldiers
ABC News ^ | Dec. 22, 2009 | LUIS MARTINEZ and SARAH NETTER

Posted on 12/22/2009 8:41:51 AM PST by BradtotheBone

An Army general in Iraq backed away from his threat today to court martial female soldiers who get pregnant.

"I see absolutely no circumstance where I would punish a female soldier by court martial for a violation ... none," Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo III wrote to ABC News in an exclusive statement. " I fully intend to handle these cases through lesser disciplinary action."

Cucolo triggered debate, some of it angry, when his Nov. 4 policy forbidding pregnancy among his soldiers became public recently. His policy statement said violation of the rule could be punishable by court martial, and that it would also apply to the men who get female soldiers pregnant, even if the couple is married.

While legal and military experts said the order was proper, a spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women called it "ridiculous."

"How dare any government say we're going to impose any kind of punishment on women for getting pregnant," NOW President Terry O'Neill said. "This is not the 1800s."

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: army; cucolo; militaryreadiness; militarywomen; nags; nevermind; radicalfeminists; soldiers; usarmy

1 posted on 12/22/2009 8:41:51 AM PST by BradtotheBone
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To: BradtotheBone

Just another symptom of our decline. How does one go about undoing this crap?

Pregnant soldiers, what a concept.


2 posted on 12/22/2009 8:44:22 AM PST by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: BradtotheBone

“This is not the 1800s.”

No, it’s not. Back in the 1800s, women weren’t very often deployed as soldiers in warzones.


3 posted on 12/22/2009 8:45:08 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: BradtotheBone
BCD.

If you really want out of the Army, there are ways to get drummed out without serving time in the stockade. IMO this is just one more way.

4 posted on 12/22/2009 8:45:17 AM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: BradtotheBone
If troops can be forced to take vaccines and exercise and control their weight to stay fit for duty, then they should be required to use no/low-fail BC while on duty requiring deployments to combat zones

injection, implants or IUD’s come to mind

same penalty for refusal as for those who refuse immunizations, exercise and PT test, and weight control

discharge

5 posted on 12/22/2009 8:46:00 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: BradtotheBone
Thank you again, Patricia Schroeder for your Feminazi requirements!
6 posted on 12/22/2009 8:46:31 AM PST by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: BradtotheBone

How about backing off prosecuting SEALs for doing their job?


7 posted on 12/22/2009 8:46:44 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: BradtotheBone

Editor needed. The proper plural is Courts Martial, not court martials. (sorry, been reading too many state of education threads this AM)


8 posted on 12/22/2009 8:47:17 AM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: BradtotheBone

I dunno, when I want to evaluate military policy I always consult with NOW. They’ve really been on top of the whole muslim honor killings.

You can get a court martial for getting sun burned, having your military ID stolen, getting hurt, being late or a million other things. If you don’t want pregnant women in combat then don’t put women in combat.


9 posted on 12/22/2009 8:48:37 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tired1

I recall the time when, if a female service member because pregnant, she was out within two weeks. We should never have begun depending on women in the service to the degree that we have. It is a distraction and is counterproductive. Sorry ladies, but that’s just the way it is and it is no way to run a war, political correctness be damned.


10 posted on 12/22/2009 8:49:22 AM PST by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental and social illness)
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To: BradtotheBone
I think it is completely irresponsible of any woman to bring a child into the world under those circumstances.

One of my biggest complaints about women being in the military (and I have several), is that when a woman becomes a mother, her FIRST priority should be her children.

I am a mother of three, and very few things make me more disgusted than a mother who signs up to be shipped out, leaving her children behind.

You want to be a soldier, fine, but don't drag children into the mix.

11 posted on 12/22/2009 8:50:11 AM PST by teenyelliott (Insanity - voting the current two party system over and over, expecting different results.)
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To: BradtotheBone

Don’t want to get deployed?

Easy.

Make a “choice” and get preggers.

Don’t want to be limited in your “choices”?

Don’t join up.

And many, many women that I know that are military totally agree - and they distain the women who’ve opted the sleazy “progressive” way out.

Gads, libs are so very sleazy, treasonous, and totally vile.


12 posted on 12/22/2009 8:52:13 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: BradtotheBone

People complaining about the General’s order should have to explain to the soldier having to go to Iraq to REPLACE the pregnant women why he/she has to go.


13 posted on 12/22/2009 8:53:06 AM PST by HD1200
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To: BradtotheBone

Earth to NOW: It’s called a war zone. It’s called sacrifice. Try it sometime.


14 posted on 12/22/2009 9:03:27 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: BradtotheBone

I could have told them this wouldn’t work. In the USAF about once a year some general in WestPAC decided the way to cut the VD rate was to give an Article 15 (Captain’s Mast for you Squids) to anyone diagnosed with VD. That just caused a surge in Black Market antibiotics and complications.


15 posted on 12/22/2009 9:06:04 AM PST by CholeraJoe (I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter.)
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To: BradtotheBone

Another reason why women shouldn’t serve on submarines. Of course, there is the alternative of haveing all females deployed on ships or overseas combat tours to have implanted contraceptives for the duration of the deployment/cruise. but then civil rights folks will protest about that too.


16 posted on 12/22/2009 9:07:54 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: BradtotheBone

Human nature: if you believe your life may/will end soon, reproduction likely becomes a high priority. Survival of the species is deeply ingrained. Hence one of many reasons for no women in, or even near, combat - protecting and impregnating them becomes a natural priority for men, distracting from the more cerebral abstract tasks of modern warfare.


17 posted on 12/22/2009 9:08:01 AM PST by ctdonath2 (It from fit.)
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To: thefactor
LOL...that would be a good start. I say give femenazis real equality...make them serve in all-female combat units AND be subject to the draft.
18 posted on 12/22/2009 9:09:07 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: tired1

Yes, they should only allow barren women in the armed forces.


19 posted on 12/22/2009 9:12:06 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: silverleaf

It should be placed in their chow, along with the saltpeter.


20 posted on 12/22/2009 9:13:08 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: HD1200

One of my joys in the military took place at Ft. Knox where I was teaching. A basic trainee company commander shows up with the troops, she is pregnant and has no daddy for her future offspring. She plops down at my desk puts her feet up and talks about her future in the military. I wanted nothing more than to get out of the military at that point.


21 posted on 12/22/2009 9:15:41 AM PST by soupbone1
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To: soupbone1

How did she get into basic training if she was pregnant?


22 posted on 12/22/2009 9:22:11 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: BradtotheBone

The General seems to be confused.

If a soldier is brought before his comander for Non-Judicial Punishment, he or she can choose to bump the hearing to the next level of comand or request a Courts Martial hear the charges.


23 posted on 12/22/2009 9:34:19 AM PST by lack-of-trust
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To: stuartcr

She wasn’t in basic training she was the Company Commander for the trainees. She was a Captain in the US Army and now is probably a Division EEO officer or some other high ranking waste of a position.


24 posted on 12/22/2009 9:41:45 AM PST by soupbone1
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To: BradtotheBone

***An Army general in Iraq backed away from his threat today to court martial female soldiers who get pregnant. ****

Because they took something serious that was poked at them in fun!


25 posted on 12/22/2009 9:49:25 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Are my guns loaded? Break in and find out.)
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To: soupbone1

OK, thanks for the clarification. I’ve worked with lots of females in naval shore facilities, and it’s not all that fun.


26 posted on 12/22/2009 10:34:51 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: BradtotheBone

He just learned that his mistress killed the rabbit.


27 posted on 12/22/2009 11:45:25 AM PST by DPMD (~)
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To: tired1
Gotta disagree here.

There are women serving proudly and professionally in our armed forces. We could not field what we have today without them. In addition to those, there are a small number using pregnancy as an easy out. Those cowards who do damage unit effectiveness and cohesion. That is the general's concern.

In the general's personal explanation, he points out that some may not understand the reasoning, though IMO he did a good job of explaining it.

28 posted on 12/22/2009 12:45:47 PM PST by Starwolf
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To: Starwolf

Maybe the military should actively look to recruit more short men.


29 posted on 12/22/2009 1:12:31 PM PST by wastedyears (You tell 'em I'm coming, and Hell's coming with me! - Wyatt Earp)
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To: Starwolf

There’s a time and place for everything, however common sense has been lost.

My x’s niece is a combat paratrooper. She’s all of 5’ 2 and maybe 100 lbs. I’m so glad she gets to play soldier.


30 posted on 12/22/2009 4:40:04 PM PST by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: tired1

My daughter is commissioned officer in the regular Army. Though a nursing student, she went through the full Army ROTC curriculum and earned a DMG. She is 5-10 and shoots expert. She is a bit of an amazon, and takes to heart the warrior ethos and the Army’s core values. She is going to be a flight nurse on helos. We fully expect to see her go to into theater.


31 posted on 12/22/2009 5:21:56 PM PST by Starwolf
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To: silverleaf
There are a number of problems with those methods, especially the injections. However, its pretty easy to determine if it was a legitimate accidental pregnancy or a ploy to escape deployment.

There is no perfect birth control method short of surgery or abstinence.

32 posted on 12/22/2009 5:25:19 PM PST by Starwolf
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To: Starwolf

There is no perfect vaccine, either

But you take what is required to offer the best possible chance of protection so you can continue to do your job

Women subject to deployment should be offered norplant, iud or another long-lasting form of birth control, or counseled to abstain. Men also counseled to avoid sex or avoid pregnancy by using condoms.

There’s a shocker, the miltary can order you to control personal behaviors detrimental to your combat fitness.

Remember, it’s a VOLUNTEER army. Don’t like it- don’t (re)enlist.


33 posted on 12/23/2009 6:01:30 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: tired1

given the new ROE that only women can search female insurgents, she’ll be busy. I hope its a woman who finds osama bin laden in a burqa.


34 posted on 12/23/2009 6:02:57 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: silverleaf
I can recall serving in Korea in 1980 when they were giving out Article 15 non-judicial punishment to soldiers with gonorrhea ...

...we referred to it as "damage to government property".

35 posted on 12/23/2009 6:09:40 AM PST by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: BlueLancer

ouch
I had to watch the mandatory GI venereal disease movie when I deployed to SEA.

I was a married woman but I had never seen body parts that looked like that!


36 posted on 12/23/2009 6:16:03 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: silverleaf

I agree to a point. None are perfect and most of the longer lasting ones have negative side effects, some detrimental to military service.

Its really a matter of attitude. If a woman warrior gets pregnant accidentally, despite taking reasonable precautions, it should not be held against her. Nor should she be pressured into an abortion. The concern is malingering by those trying to take advantage of the system.


37 posted on 12/23/2009 10:10:17 AM PST by Starwolf
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