Skip to comments.Exclusive: General Backs Off on Court Martials for Pregnant Soldiers
Posted on 12/22/2009 8:41:51 AM PST by BradtotheBone
An Army general in Iraq backed away from his threat today to court martial female soldiers who get pregnant.
"I see absolutely no circumstance where I would punish a female soldier by court martial for a violation ... none," Maj. Gen. Anthony Cucolo III wrote to ABC News in an exclusive statement. " I fully intend to handle these cases through lesser disciplinary action."
Cucolo triggered debate, some of it angry, when his Nov. 4 policy forbidding pregnancy among his soldiers became public recently. His policy statement said violation of the rule could be punishable by court martial, and that it would also apply to the men who get female soldiers pregnant, even if the couple is married.
While legal and military experts said the order was proper, a spokeswoman for the National Organization for Women called it "ridiculous."
"How dare any government say we're going to impose any kind of punishment on women for getting pregnant," NOW President Terry O'Neill said. "This is not the 1800s."
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Just another symptom of our decline. How does one go about undoing this crap?
Pregnant soldiers, what a concept.
“This is not the 1800s.”
No, it’s not. Back in the 1800s, women weren’t very often deployed as soldiers in warzones.
If you really want out of the Army, there are ways to get drummed out without serving time in the stockade. IMO this is just one more way.
injection, implants or IUD’s come to mind
same penalty for refusal as for those who refuse immunizations, exercise and PT test, and weight control
How about backing off prosecuting SEALs for doing their job?
Editor needed. The proper plural is Courts Martial, not court martials. (sorry, been reading too many state of education threads this AM)
I dunno, when I want to evaluate military policy I always consult with NOW. They’ve really been on top of the whole muslim honor killings.
You can get a court martial for getting sun burned, having your military ID stolen, getting hurt, being late or a million other things. If you don’t want pregnant women in combat then don’t put women in combat.
I recall the time when, if a female service member because pregnant, she was out within two weeks. We should never have begun depending on women in the service to the degree that we have. It is a distraction and is counterproductive. Sorry ladies, but that’s just the way it is and it is no way to run a war, political correctness be damned.
One of my biggest complaints about women being in the military (and I have several), is that when a woman becomes a mother, her FIRST priority should be her children.
I am a mother of three, and very few things make me more disgusted than a mother who signs up to be shipped out, leaving her children behind.
You want to be a soldier, fine, but don't drag children into the mix.
Don’t want to get deployed?
Make a “choice” and get preggers.
Don’t want to be limited in your “choices”?
Don’t join up.
And many, many women that I know that are military totally agree - and they distain the women who’ve opted the sleazy “progressive” way out.
Gads, libs are so very sleazy, treasonous, and totally vile.
People complaining about the General’s order should have to explain to the soldier having to go to Iraq to REPLACE the pregnant women why he/she has to go.
Earth to NOW: It’s called a war zone. It’s called sacrifice. Try it sometime.
I could have told them this wouldn’t work. In the USAF about once a year some general in WestPAC decided the way to cut the VD rate was to give an Article 15 (Captain’s Mast for you Squids) to anyone diagnosed with VD. That just caused a surge in Black Market antibiotics and complications.
Another reason why women shouldn’t serve on submarines. Of course, there is the alternative of haveing all females deployed on ships or overseas combat tours to have implanted contraceptives for the duration of the deployment/cruise. but then civil rights folks will protest about that too.
Human nature: if you believe your life may/will end soon, reproduction likely becomes a high priority. Survival of the species is deeply ingrained. Hence one of many reasons for no women in, or even near, combat - protecting and impregnating them becomes a natural priority for men, distracting from the more cerebral abstract tasks of modern warfare.
Yes, they should only allow barren women in the armed forces.
It should be placed in their chow, along with the saltpeter.
One of my joys in the military took place at Ft. Knox where I was teaching. A basic trainee company commander shows up with the troops, she is pregnant and has no daddy for her future offspring. She plops down at my desk puts her feet up and talks about her future in the military. I wanted nothing more than to get out of the military at that point.
How did she get into basic training if she was pregnant?
The General seems to be confused.
If a soldier is brought before his comander for Non-Judicial Punishment, he or she can choose to bump the hearing to the next level of comand or request a Courts Martial hear the charges.
She wasn’t in basic training she was the Company Commander for the trainees. She was a Captain in the US Army and now is probably a Division EEO officer or some other high ranking waste of a position.
***An Army general in Iraq backed away from his threat today to court martial female soldiers who get pregnant. ****
Because they took something serious that was poked at them in fun!
OK, thanks for the clarification. I’ve worked with lots of females in naval shore facilities, and it’s not all that fun.
He just learned that his mistress killed the rabbit.
There are women serving proudly and professionally in our armed forces. We could not field what we have today without them. In addition to those, there are a small number using pregnancy as an easy out. Those cowards who do damage unit effectiveness and cohesion. That is the general's concern.
In the general's personal explanation, he points out that some may not understand the reasoning, though IMO he did a good job of explaining it.
Maybe the military should actively look to recruit more short men.
There’s a time and place for everything, however common sense has been lost.
My x’s niece is a combat paratrooper. She’s all of 5’ 2 and maybe 100 lbs. I’m so glad she gets to play soldier.
My daughter is commissioned officer in the regular Army. Though a nursing student, she went through the full Army ROTC curriculum and earned a DMG. She is 5-10 and shoots expert. She is a bit of an amazon, and takes to heart the warrior ethos and the Army’s core values. She is going to be a flight nurse on helos. We fully expect to see her go to into theater.
There is no perfect birth control method short of surgery or abstinence.
There is no perfect vaccine, either
But you take what is required to offer the best possible chance of protection so you can continue to do your job
Women subject to deployment should be offered norplant, iud or another long-lasting form of birth control, or counseled to abstain. Men also counseled to avoid sex or avoid pregnancy by using condoms.
There’s a shocker, the miltary can order you to control personal behaviors detrimental to your combat fitness.
Remember, it’s a VOLUNTEER army. Don’t like it- don’t (re)enlist.
given the new ROE that only women can search female insurgents, she’ll be busy. I hope its a woman who finds osama bin laden in a burqa.
...we referred to it as "damage to government property".
I had to watch the mandatory GI venereal disease movie when I deployed to SEA.
I was a married woman but I had never seen body parts that looked like that!
I agree to a point. None are perfect and most of the longer lasting ones have negative side effects, some detrimental to military service.
Its really a matter of attitude. If a woman warrior gets pregnant accidentally, despite taking reasonable precautions, it should not be held against her. Nor should she be pressured into an abortion. The concern is malingering by those trying to take advantage of the system.