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(Oklahoma) Lawmakers File "Freedom of Healthcare Choice Act"
rightsidenews.com ^ | 12/22/09 | Mike Ritze

Posted on 12/22/2009 6:38:39 PM PST by TornadoAlley3

OKLAHOMA CITY - The voters of Oklahoma will have the opportunity to preserve the existing health care system in Oklahoma under legislation sought by three state legislators.

State Reps. Mike Ritze and Mike Reynolds and state Sen. Randy Brogdon announced today that they will file legislation enacting the "Freedom of Healthcare Choice Act," allowing voters to preserve the existing healthcare system in Oklahoma regardless of congressional action at the federal level.

The legislation will allow a vote of the people to opt out of the proposed federal system.

"It's clear the overwhelming majority of Americans want the current doctor-patient relationship preserved instead of having Washington bureaucrats dictate medical decisions," said Ritze, a Broken Arrow Republican who is also a board-certified family practice physician and surgeon. "The proposals under consideration in Congress are likely to result in reduced access to a family doctor, rationing of services, or even outright denial of care if a pencil-pusher decides it is not a 'best practice.' My legislation would give the voters the ability to protect and preserve their existing health care coverage."

"The United States' health care system is the envy of the world and the people of Oklahoma should have the opportunity to maintain the top-notch care they have received while also avoiding the onerous burdens the proposed federal law would impose on working families," said Reynolds, R-Oklahoma City.

"The proposed legislation in Washington is a massive overstepping of the bounds placed on Congress by our U.S. Constitution," said Brogdon, R-Owasso. "It is time that we the people tell Congress enough is enough - and now Oklahomans will have the opportunity to do so."

Modeled on an Arizona proposal, Ritze and Reynolds' legislation would place language on the ballot to amend the Oklahoma Constitution to declare what types of health care systems could lawfully exist in the state.

The proposed constitutional amendment would

Prohibit any law or rule from directly or indirectly compelling any person or employer to participate in any health care system; Allow any person or employer to pay directly for lawful health care services without paying any penalties or fines; Permit a health care provider to provide directly purchased lawful health services without paying any penalties or fines; and Stipulate that subject to reasonable and necessary rules that do not substantially limit a person's options, the purchase or sale of private health insurance will not be prohibited. The amendment would not change what health care services a provider is required to perform or what health care services are permitted by law.

"This is an issue that could have serious consequences for all citizens and it is only right to allow voters a direct role in the outcome of this debate," Ritze said.

"I was not surprised that the Democrat-controlled U.S. Senate kept the specific language of their bill from the public and most of their members," Reynolds said. "In comparison, the language of our "Freedom of Healthcare Choice Act" will be fully disclosed as soon as it is filed, probably later this afternoon. We welcome any discussion."


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; freedom; healthcare; lping; military; obama; obamacare; oklahoma; sovereignty
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1 posted on 12/22/2009 6:38:42 PM PST by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3

Booooyah. Now that should leave a mark.


2 posted on 12/22/2009 6:40:49 PM PST by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Good move. Now we need 49 more...


3 posted on 12/22/2009 6:41:00 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government -- Thomas Payne)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Excellent. That durned old Constitution! Drat!

The Tenth Amendment lives... only 50 states to go.


4 posted on 12/22/2009 6:42:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne (H.C. Bill, saves more in second decade, despite taxation w/o benefits for first 4 years. Suuurre...)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Woo hoo!! Way to go Oklahoma!!


5 posted on 12/22/2009 6:43:31 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

56.


6 posted on 12/22/2009 6:43:51 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Beautiful!! Tell the fedzilla monstrosity to take a flying leap. Bravo!


7 posted on 12/22/2009 6:44:05 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: TornadoAlley3

Yeah!


8 posted on 12/22/2009 6:44:13 PM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

I am going to push for Alabama to do the same. If all the good conservative states do this, all the welfare scam artists and illegals will move to the liberal states!!


9 posted on 12/22/2009 6:45:59 PM PST by Laserman
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

I agree but those who opt-out (as I would) will still be taxed oppressively by the government to pay for those who don’t pay for themselves.

I applaud these gentlemen and hope they succeed along with many other states but we still must defeat this bill and defeat those who voted for it next November!


10 posted on 12/22/2009 6:47:22 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

This is proposed and hopefully will continue to move forward and pass.


11 posted on 12/22/2009 6:47:33 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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The healthcare issue along with the rise in states passing Firearms Freedom Acts, should give us a good solid foundation to run all this liberal, political bovine scatology up the food chain and bring a nice sold 10th Amendment case to the Supreme Court.


12 posted on 12/22/2009 6:49:05 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: TornadoAlley3

never thought i’d say it but.....i may have to move North to.....OKLAHOMA!!!!!


13 posted on 12/22/2009 6:49:59 PM PST by is_is (VPD of Sgt Dan, Former 2/5 MARINE - "Sleep Well America......Your Marines have your Back")
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To: DoughtyOne
Dream on. Ever heard of the Supremacy Clause?

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

I know. You'll say that Obamacare is not pursuant to the Constitution. But under the Constitution, who gets to decide? The Congress will pass it. The president will sign it. So your last hope will be the SCOTUS, from which there is no appeal. I'd like to see how the court would fashion a decision that Social Security--retirement insurance we are forced to buy--and Medicare---health insurance we are forced to buy, are Constitutional, but this isn't. You think they're going to overturn Social Security and Medicare? Fat chance.

Therefore, I believe this act will be Constitutional, as decided by the powers granted in the Constitution to the three branches. The states can piss and moan all they want, but no law will stop it. It will take all out rebellion.

If that's the course they want to take, that's fine by me. The sooner we get out from under the Constitution, the better. But stuff like this is grandstanding.

14 posted on 12/22/2009 6:50:21 PM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: Jim Robinson

We are truly a red state. When you have had enough of California, come join us here, we’d love to have y’all! God Bless America.


15 posted on 12/22/2009 6:50:47 PM PST by beefree
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To: Laserman

See post #10. Fred Thompson had it right. You can’t take water from one side of the bucket without affecting the other. As long as the fed gov’t can tax and tax and tax we will pay and pay and pay.

Conservative states need to do much more than this. It’s time for a balanced budget amendment to gain traction.


16 posted on 12/22/2009 6:50:53 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: farlander

17 posted on 12/22/2009 6:51:27 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3; ForGod'sSake

Oklahoma is OK *bump*


18 posted on 12/22/2009 6:52:55 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Bless them. Some real Americans still exist.


19 posted on 12/22/2009 6:53:37 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
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To: HerrBlucher

No, the 57th hasn’t actually passed it yet. LOL


20 posted on 12/22/2009 6:53:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (H.C. Bill, saves more in second decade, despite taxation w/o benefits for first 4 years. Suuurre...)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Wonder if Kalifornia will follow next? sarcasm!!


21 posted on 12/22/2009 6:54:54 PM PST by pollywog ("Regime Change USA".... 2010-2012 ~~Let's Roll !!)
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To: TornadoAlley3; savedbygrace

WOW! You already have the two best US Senators and now this!!!

I’m so proud and happy for Oklahoma!


22 posted on 12/22/2009 6:54:57 PM PST by onyx
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To: Huck

I’m thinking, and it could be incorrect, that what states that pass legislation like this are trying to do is set up a Constitutional showdown with congress.

For too long congress has overstepped its Constitutional bounds and the states have rolled over and over again (thank the idiots who gave us the 17th amendment for this). Now states are begining to feel their oats. The direct conflict with these state laws and those involving intrastate guns could reset the bounds on congress.


23 posted on 12/22/2009 6:55:26 PM PST by MissouriConservative (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - H. L Mencken)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Ping.


24 posted on 12/22/2009 6:56:07 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Huck

Huck, I think your post has merit. I still would like to see this bogus lump of coal fought tooth and nail every step of the way. Has SS and Medicare been deemed Constitutional on challenge?

Do they comply with the 10th Amendment?

What is the 10th Amendment supposed to block, if not this?


25 posted on 12/22/2009 6:56:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (H.C. Bill, saves more in second decade, despite taxation w/o benefits for first 4 years. Suuurre...)
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To: TornadoAlley3

“We know we belong to the land
And the land we belong to is grand!
And when we say
Yeeow! Aye-yip-aye-yo-ee-ay!
We’re only sayin’
You’re doin’ fine, Oklahoma!
Oklahoma
O.K. L - A - H - O - M - A
OKLAHOMA!
Yeeow!”

From a New York Stater.


26 posted on 12/22/2009 6:57:06 PM PST by kitkat (Obama hates us. Well, maybe a lot of Kenyans do.)
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To: DoughtyOne

SS was found constitutional in a very controvesial manner. It was after FDR threatened to pack the Supreme Court with more Justices to favor his socialist programs. A switch in time saved nine.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/attarian7.html


27 posted on 12/22/2009 7:00:16 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: MissouriConservative

I think a lot of this legislation at the state level is setting up a grand Constitutional show-down - as it should. I don’t buy the argument that it won’t do any good. It will show the FEDS that there is massive resistance at the state level and a state is willing to spit in their faces — and I don’t think OK will be the only state to do this as more and more people will scream at the state level when this mess starts affecting their care. The state officials will hear it first...


28 posted on 12/22/2009 7:00:19 PM PST by JLLH
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To: TornadoAlley3

I’m so proud of my state!

I cannot wait to vote on this.


29 posted on 12/22/2009 7:01:51 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: farlander
A much better solution would be to pass THIS LAW at the state level.
30 posted on 12/22/2009 7:01:54 PM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks. I was afraid I was being too antagonistic. The 10th amendment, to me, is utterly worthless. Here's why. It says:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

It begs the question (in the original sense of the expression.) What are the powers "not delegated to the United States by the Constitution"? Without an answer to that question, the entire statement is completely meaningless. It's missing an input.

And so there we are again. Who gets to decide? If Congress passes it, they must think it's Constitutional, or at least they're willing to make the case or invent one. If the president signs it, ditto that. If the people elect and re-elect such people, they apparantly are not concerned. And so you're back to the SCOTUS, the last resort, from which there is no appeal.

So in effect, what the 10th amendment REALLY means is this:

Whatever powers the national government doesn't claim for itself, the states and the people can have.

In practice, that's exactly what it means. It's worthless. The 10th amendment was basically written by the antifederalists, who opposed the Constitution, or at best were resigned to it, but sought to make it more secure. But the 10th amendment isn't even on the level of duct tape. I don't fault them for trying. But the battle was already lost.

31 posted on 12/22/2009 7:04:03 PM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: kitkat

There’s a dance we do in Oklahoma
A dnace like you’ve never seen
Sit back and we’re gonna show ya
How to do that Oklahoma swing!


32 posted on 12/22/2009 7:04:28 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

A noble effort but if the federal insurance bill passes it will destroy health care everywhere. The infrastructure necessary to maintain health care as we know it will be completely dismantled from within.


33 posted on 12/22/2009 7:05:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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To: Huck
Dream on. Ever heard of the Supremacy Clause?

Most if not all of the Health Care Bill is unconstitutional. Reread the clause that you cited.

34 posted on 12/22/2009 7:06:12 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: rolling_stone

Ug. Thanks, I think. ;-)


35 posted on 12/22/2009 7:06:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (H.C. Bill, saves more in second decade, despite taxation w/o benefits for first 4 years. Suuurre...)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Need to ask my Barton what he intends to do.


36 posted on 12/22/2009 7:06:18 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: JLLH

I agree that we need to do everything and try everything but the bottom line remains... We the people need to take back our government and time is running out.

If we fail to reverse course drastically in November it will probably be too late. The news covers all kinds of stories that are outrageous in principle but meaningless next to the cancer of debt and spending. We are almost a dead man walking and the numbers are beyond comprehension.


37 posted on 12/22/2009 7:08:01 PM PST by volunbeer (Dear heaven.... we really need President Reagan again!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Dang, its a big state with lots of room,
but can it hold an extra 100 million people?

I’m packing my bags today and bringing my family and my stethoscope with me.
Go Boomer Sooner


38 posted on 12/22/2009 7:09:23 PM PST by schwingdoc
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To: schwingdoc

Maybe this will be the rallying state for the soon to come RE - BELL - ONION.


39 posted on 12/22/2009 7:10:14 PM PST by schwingdoc
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To: TornadoAlley3

Finally someone with some backbone!


40 posted on 12/22/2009 7:11:12 PM PST by Irisshlass
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To: MissouriConservative
thank the idiots who gave us the 17th amendment for this

Indeed sir! An often overlooked amendment that is likely to destroy the Republic.
41 posted on 12/22/2009 7:11:54 PM PST by F. dAnconia (We say: "It is, therefore, I want it. They say: "I want it, therefore it is")
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To: FreeReign

Reread the part of my post that addresses that question.


42 posted on 12/22/2009 7:12:28 PM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: Huck

But Huck, there are powers granted the federal government in the U.S. Constitution. Therefore things not listed, are to remain with the states.

I get your argument amounting to a fate accompli as far as what has been passed and acquiesced to, but I don’t really agree that the tenth is toothless. It’s not been enforced, respected or whatever, that’s for sure.


43 posted on 12/22/2009 7:13:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne (H.C. Bill, saves more in second decade, despite taxation w/o benefits for first 4 years. Suuurre...)
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To: Laserman

I am calling my State Reps in Fkorida tomorrow. This kicks ass.


44 posted on 12/22/2009 7:13:28 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: Huck

Uh. The 18 powers enumerated in the Constitution. Read a little further.


45 posted on 12/22/2009 7:17:32 PM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Ok, let's say this gets signed into law, but what's to stop the federal government from raising taxes on anyone who lives in the state of Oklahoma?

P.S. If this goes through, I'm moving to Oklahoma.

46 posted on 12/22/2009 7:20:11 PM PST by pctech
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To: TornadoAlley3

This could set up a very interesting case of state vs. federal rights. It may tie up this money-and-power-grab POS dem obamanation long enough for the Republicans to take over and kill it.


47 posted on 12/22/2009 7:20:23 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: lonevoice

Some interesting things beginning to happen. Maybe this whole healthcare debacle will be the tipping point. Hope so.


48 posted on 12/22/2009 7:24:34 PM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: screaminsunshine
Uh. The 18 powers enumerated in the Constitution. Read a little further.

That's funny. You should read up on "commerce clause" jurisprudence. That alone with disabuse you of your fantasy about 18 powers. While you're at it, you could study up on "implied powers." That's another goodie. And finally, review who, under the Constitution, decides on the meaning and Construction of its words. If you still believe in 18 powers at that point, I can't help you.

49 posted on 12/22/2009 7:26:55 PM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Fellow Virginians take notice!


50 posted on 12/22/2009 7:35:55 PM PST by Yorktownpatriot
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