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American Airlines Plane Crashes at Kingston, Jamaica Airport
Fox News ^ | 12/23/09 | Fox News

Posted on 12/22/2009 9:05:01 PM PST by AtlasStalled

An American Airlines plane crashed and broke in two after landing at the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston shortly after 10 p.m. Tuesday, according to local reports. There were no immediate reports of casualties.

Details were not immediately available, however, passengers on the plane told local media that flight 331 had just arrived from Miami in pouring rain when the accident occurred. The flight apparently originated in Washington, D.C.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: aa331; aerospace; americanairlines; dca; flight331; jamaica; planecrash
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1 posted on 12/22/2009 9:05:03 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

Prayers...


2 posted on 12/22/2009 9:06:46 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: AtlasStalled

OMG


3 posted on 12/22/2009 9:08:45 PM PST by onyx
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To: AtlasStalled

I’ve been on that flight more than once.


4 posted on 12/22/2009 9:08:47 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: AtlasStalled

CNN says 145 passengers, 7 crew members, origin DCA (Reagan Nat’l here in Northern Virginia) with stop at MIA (Miami). All passengers have exited the plane, which overshot the runway at KIN (Kingston).

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/12/22/jamaica.plane/


5 posted on 12/22/2009 9:08:50 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: AtlasStalled

Evac in progress, I guess that can be a good sign... a passenger was on her cell phone (via Fox on the Net).


6 posted on 12/22/2009 9:09:12 PM PST by elpinta (Change: check. Hope: not so much.)
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To: elpinta

Yes, it sounds like everybody’s all right.


7 posted on 12/22/2009 9:10:52 PM PST by onyx
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To: AtlasStalled

From Flyertalk:

AA 331 crash landed at 10:30 pm, went off runway in very bad weather

It’s a 737-800 carrying 145 pax and 7 crew. A posting notes AA has withdrawn the “No Injuries” release.


8 posted on 12/22/2009 9:11:15 PM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: AtlasStalled

Close call mon.


9 posted on 12/22/2009 9:11:48 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: AtlasStalled

Now that everyone’s safe, I can refer to my own pet peeves: why can’t headlines use English? It’s not “Jamaica,” but “Jamaican.” LaGuardia is also a “Jamaica airport.” Kingston is a “Jamaican airport.”


10 posted on 12/22/2009 9:13:55 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: AtlasStalled

no problem mon


11 posted on 12/22/2009 9:14:18 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: AtlasStalled

Kingston Weather at Crash Time. Very bad...
Note the Dew Point/Temp spead.

MKJP 230400Z 32014KT 11500 +SHRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT028 BKN090 21/18 Q1013 RERA
MKJP 230300Z 32008KT 33000 +SHRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT030 BKN100 21/20 Q1014 RETSRA
MKJP 230228Z 31009KT 5000 TSRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT030 BKN100 22/19 Q1013
MKJP 230200Z 30012KT 5000 SHRA BKN014 SCT030 BKN100 22/20 Q1013 RERA

Very bad weather. And that temp./dewpoint spread is very close!!


12 posted on 12/22/2009 9:15:14 PM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: Sir Gawain

Oh mon, that’s scary stuff.


13 posted on 12/22/2009 9:16:36 PM PST by unkus
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To: rabscuttle385

All passengers have exited the plane,

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Great news!!


14 posted on 12/22/2009 9:19:12 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: AtlasStalled

From memory thats a small airport. Prayers


15 posted on 12/22/2009 9:20:10 PM PST by cmsgop ( Sergeant Mark Renninger, RIP, I'll miss You Dude)
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To: rabscuttle385
All passengers have exited the plane...

If I had been on that plane, I would be drinking heavily right now. I'd hold an intense meeting with Jack Daniels.
16 posted on 12/22/2009 9:21:54 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: dangus

Actually Kennedy Airport is in Jamaica Queens. Laguardia is bordered by Astoria, Jackson Heights and East Elmhurst.


17 posted on 12/22/2009 9:26:37 PM PST by appeal2 (Government is not the solution, it is the problem and eventually the enemy.)
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To: advance_copy
I'd hold an intense meeting with Jack Daniels.

Have you been to the distillery in Lynchburg, Tenn.? They serve mighty delicious lemonade after the tour!

18 posted on 12/22/2009 9:26:42 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: dangus

” LaGuardia is also a “Jamaica airport.””

I always thought it was in the human sewer called New York!


19 posted on 12/22/2009 9:27:12 PM PST by dalereed
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To: AtlasStalled

Prayers.


20 posted on 12/22/2009 9:28:03 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream.)
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To: AtlasStalled

There obviously were survivors speaking to media, so hopefully they all made it out despite what sounds like a horrific crash with the plane breaking in half.


21 posted on 12/22/2009 9:28:31 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: advance_copy

Funny you mention that, in 1989 at that airport they greeted me with Rum Punch!


22 posted on 12/22/2009 9:29:09 PM PST by cmsgop ( Sergeant Mark Renninger, RIP, I'll miss You Dude)
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To: appeal2

or Flushing/Corona. Definitely not Jamaica (Queens)


23 posted on 12/22/2009 9:31:58 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: rabscuttle385

Thank God.


24 posted on 12/22/2009 9:33:40 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: tcrlaf
And that temp./dewpoint spread is very close!!

It usually is if it's raining... heavy rain even moreso.

25 posted on 12/22/2009 9:36:07 PM PST by hattend (Once we had Reagan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope. Now we have Obama, no Cash and no Hope)
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To: dalereed

No, it’s in America, in a city where hundreds of brave firefighters and policemen lost their lives in their heroic efforts to rescue their fellow man.


26 posted on 12/22/2009 9:43:11 PM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: AtlasStalled

plane crashed and broke in two and all passengers exited safely? That doesn’t compute but glad everyone appears to be OK, I think


27 posted on 12/22/2009 9:53:58 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: tcrlaf

Wx really doesn’t seem “that” bad. 1400’ broken layer. A good ILS, approach lights and rabbits should have helped to prevent the “long landing”, more to the incident.


28 posted on 12/22/2009 9:58:21 PM PST by cva41
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To: dalereed

Back in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s, some airline pilots referred to La Guardia Airport as “La Garbage Airport.” And this was while they were talking to the passengers before landing!


29 posted on 12/22/2009 10:00:42 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan.....a Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: cva41

It reminds me of of the F-100 Crash at Little Rock 10 years ago.

Get-there-itis, perhaps?


30 posted on 12/22/2009 10:01:18 PM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: AtlasStalled

Damn!


31 posted on 12/22/2009 10:02:58 PM PST by eyedigress ( now.)
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To: AtlasStalled; All

MORE INFO:

Aircraft is N977AN(ACARSD), built 2001.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-737-823/1498302/L/&sid=25aada203e6d9f0f1dca332cb566141a


32 posted on 12/22/2009 10:03:11 PM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: tcrlaf

You never really know for sure till they put the parts back together and listen to the tapes. But you can certainly assume that it was a “hard landing” to break the airframe into.


33 posted on 12/22/2009 10:09:26 PM PST by cva41
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To: tcrlaf

thx


34 posted on 12/22/2009 10:15:36 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream.)
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To: cva41

“Wx really doesn’t seem “that” bad.”

Note the “+SHRA”. Lots can happen after you land in the TDZ with +SHRA. Loss vis on the rollout, or just hydroplaning off the side of the runway. It happens.

Of course, you sound like you’re in the business so you know this. The apparent fact that there were no fatalities (we’ll see about that), indicates it wasn’t a terribly violent deceleration, though it’s tough to break a ‘37 (keel beams are a good thing) so it must have absorbed quite a lot of abuse before it cracked. Still, if you bust a fuselage, the chance of fatalities are pretty good unless you were barely moving when it happened. I hope it’s one those rare cases where they didn’t croak anyone.


35 posted on 12/22/2009 10:17:05 PM PST by Habibi
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To: AtlasStalled

From Airliners:

Live radio broadcast from KIN is reporting that 3 passengers are seriously injuries and are now being treated at the Kingston Public Hospital. The news report also says the emergency service is now activated and the airport is now closed.

So far there are no fatalities reported.


36 posted on 12/22/2009 10:21:18 PM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: Habibi

From another aviation Forum.

RWY 12 has an upslope for the last 300 feet.
The a/c went through the fence and onto the road, which the change in elevation probably caused a break in the center fuselage, at a low speed.


37 posted on 12/22/2009 10:23:56 PM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: tcrlaf

Sometimes you just get lucky. Hopefully, that luck will stay with the folks that went to the hospital. Like I said, a ‘37 can take a horrendous amount of abuse before it cracks (HP into the approach lights at DFW, bounced and flew to IAH, SW at AMA in heavy rain, SW excursion aborting after V1). Lots of folks are still kicking because of the way that thing was/is built.

I fear something from the MD-80 family would not fare nearly as well.


38 posted on 12/22/2009 10:31:47 PM PST by Habibi
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To: AtlasStalled

SIDE NOTE:
A Virgin Airways flight, running 14 hours late, was just pushing away from the gate when this happened, and the airport closed.


39 posted on 12/22/2009 10:37:03 PM PST by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: Habibi

I get your point that anything can happen but that is a lot of what-ifs for +RW with a detectable ceiling and vsby. My initial comment was based on the “bad wx” report. If he had the mins to start the approach...


40 posted on 12/22/2009 10:47:11 PM PST by cva41
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To: AtlasStalled

Quick...ban planes and take over healthcare!!


41 posted on 12/22/2009 10:54:55 PM PST by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated public is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: Habibi

Aren’t aircraft beams used to support limos? They must be pretty strong.


42 posted on 12/22/2009 11:08:55 PM PST by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: my small voice

lol! Thanks for the laugh.;^)


43 posted on 12/22/2009 11:09:48 PM PST by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: tcrlaf

I think that the upslope was a good thing in this case.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=us&t=k&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=14&ll=17.948888,-76.796388&q=17.948888,-76.796388


44 posted on 12/22/2009 11:18:33 PM PST by cva41
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To: tcrlaf
went off runway in very bad weather

Which means it never should've landed there. Sounds like the crew had a serious case of get-there-itis.

45 posted on 12/22/2009 11:23:35 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Habibi

You got that right.Boeing builds the toughest birds and this goes way back.


46 posted on 12/22/2009 11:26:27 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: cmsgop
Funny you mention that, in 1989 at that airport they greeted me with Rum Punch!

Rum punch is served on almost all Caribbean islands, in tourist stores (the little mall near Dunns River Falls for instance), at points of interest - just everywhere. I remember a liquor store in St. Thomas giving samples of liquor so you'd know if you liked what you were buying.... of course that was many years ago.

47 posted on 12/22/2009 11:27:16 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Habibi
Doesn't look 'cracked' so much as creased. I'll wait for day light photos but this is from the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8427628.stm

48 posted on 12/22/2009 11:45:17 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

PS - is it me or does it look like a local shaman is there blessing the already cracked plane?

Thankfully doesn’t look horrible. Possible it “cracked” or “creased” at slow speed, rolling off the runway whereby part of the plane was on the ground while the other ‘half’ was hanging over a small ravine. If the plane’s fuselage somehow teetered on that ledge-like looking surface (rock wall?) it would teeter-totter until it cracked, no?


49 posted on 12/22/2009 11:48:32 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: tcrlaf

Was the Hun even flying 10 years ago? It must’ve been somebody’s private toy.


50 posted on 12/23/2009 12:06:24 AM PST by Former War Criminal (My senior Senator (who served in Vietnam) said so.)
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