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World's oldest plant is 13,000-year-old oak that survives by cloning itself.
Daily Mail ^ | Last updated at 1:21 PM on 23rd December 2009 | By Claire Bates

Posted on 12/23/2009 7:12:57 AM PST by granite

A plant that started life during the last Ice Age is still going strong in the arid scrublands of California, scientists revealed today.

Researchers believe the Jurupa Oak has been around for 13,000 years, making it the oldest living plant in the world.

The oak is made up of a community of cloned bushes and scientists believe it has managed to survive the extreme effects of climate change by regenerating.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: cloning; godsgravesglyphs; itself; jupura; oak; oldest; oldtree; plant; survives; worlds
Who knew?
1 posted on 12/23/2009 7:12:58 AM PST by granite
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To: granite

I thought scientists had determined that there were creosote bushes and aspen colonies that were older than this.


2 posted on 12/23/2009 7:17:10 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: granite

Can’t be true, the earth isn’t that old.


3 posted on 12/23/2009 7:18:08 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

I planted it!...............

4 posted on 12/23/2009 7:20:48 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama - The first ever elected lame duck..............)
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To: granite

Helen Thomas planted it as a seedling in her youth


5 posted on 12/23/2009 7:21:03 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: granite
Researchers believe

I no longer believe what researchers 'believe'. Either they prove it or shut up.

6 posted on 12/23/2009 7:22:35 AM PST by libh8er
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To: Red Badger

I baited the hook ,and look at the trash fish I pulled in first cast...


7 posted on 12/23/2009 7:22:50 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: granite
Cool....this is the Cathedral Oak here in Lafayette, LA...

Based on its estimated age, it was already a sapling when Columbus set sail for the new world....

8 posted on 12/23/2009 7:23:25 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: granite

Written by a botanical illiterate.

The tree CAN produce its own “seeds”, and perhaps propagate from spreading roots. Go figure; a solitary tree produced more of its own species/offspring which may or may not be genetically identical to the ‘parent’.

The author clearly never passed basic botany and would likely believe that deciduous dicotyledons are a dinosaur species.


9 posted on 12/23/2009 7:25:18 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Have some fun and stick a sign on it saying “Free Firewood - You Cut” one night.


10 posted on 12/23/2009 7:25:54 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: granite

I have an axe that goes all the way back to Henry VIII. Of course it’s had ten new heads and twelve new handles since.


11 posted on 12/23/2009 7:28:23 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Obey the law, or you'll go to prison and be raped.)
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To: Abathar

Who indoctrinated you about the age of Earth, the Earth been around for a few billions of years……


12 posted on 12/23/2009 7:28:44 AM PST by saintgermaine
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To: granite

Boy have you messed up, the world is only 6,000 year old crowd will whip you.


13 posted on 12/23/2009 7:31:40 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: granite

The oak is made up of a community of cloned bushes and scientists believe it has managed to survive the extreme effects of climate change by regenerating.


You mean these scientists admit there was climate change before Obama discovered it?


14 posted on 12/23/2009 7:37:39 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Joe 6-pack

I grew up in Mt.Pleasant, SC, just outside of Charleston. I love the old Live Oaks, each one is so different from the others. The street I lived on was lined with Live Oaks, all with Spanish Moss hanging down. I am sure that most of the trees were older than the country.


15 posted on 12/23/2009 7:37:41 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: granite
World's oldest plant is 13,000-year-old oak that survives by cloning itself.

Human race is hundreds of thousands of years old; survives by procreating "future generations".

16 posted on 12/23/2009 7:39:50 AM PST by Oratam
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To: saintgermaine

I know that, but some of the best arguments I’ve been in or followed have been over this very subject.

As soon as scientists make a claim of something being older than what people believe the bible tells us it is all h*ll breaks loose. Kind of fun watching people argue against the vast amounts of data collected by scientists with a few lines from a single book.


17 posted on 12/23/2009 7:40:25 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: ops33
Yep...My aunt was a USAF nurse and she retired out of Myrtle Beach AFB when there still was such a thing. We'd go to visit her in the summers and go on carriage tours in Charleston. Love the old oaks.

There are also some magnificent trees just to my south in Avery Island, LA...


18 posted on 12/23/2009 7:42:58 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Abathar

And there is a fine for releasing that thing - bury it.
:-)


19 posted on 12/23/2009 7:44:21 AM PST by mcshot (Our White Hut is not made up of the best and brightest, but they are practiced criminals.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Hey, wanna trade? I have Washington’s ax that he used on the cherry tree. Mine is newer, 3 heads and 4 handles.


20 posted on 12/23/2009 7:47:27 AM PST by super7man
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To: saintgermaine
...the Earth been around for a few billions of years……

In the seventeenth century Archbishop James Ussher of the Church of Ireland calculated that the earth was created on October 23, 4004 BC, at 9:00 in the morning. I assume that was Pacific Daylight Time.

21 posted on 12/23/2009 7:47:39 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: granite

Doesn’t a small amount of research count for anything?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pando_(tree)

An aspen grove that is possibly 1 million years old.


22 posted on 12/23/2009 7:48:17 AM PST by wireplay
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To: Joe 6-pack

“Cool....this is the Cathedral Oak here in Lafayette, LA...”

Spectacular! thanks for sharing.


23 posted on 12/23/2009 7:52:22 AM PST by AussieJoe
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To: ops33

Where I am all or the Oaks are stressed and many seem in death throes; large branches dying off and debris all over the lawn after every windy day. I had a forester on my property recently and he said this is common throughout New England.


24 posted on 12/23/2009 7:57:17 AM PST by MSF BU (++)
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To: Abathar

“...with a few lines from a single book.”

Authored by God and thus the final word. Hell, the Guy who put it all together and then wrote The Book would pretty much know the correct age. If there seems to be a conflict with what is before your eyes and what He said, well, the choice you make as to which to believe settles the matter.


25 posted on 12/23/2009 8:10:22 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: granite
managed to survive the extreme effects of climate change by regenerating.

Does that mean it's a Time Lord tree? :-)


26 posted on 12/23/2009 8:16:11 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (No more RINOS; I will vote my conscience, even if I have to write "Sarah Palin" on the ballot!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I was down that way recently and visited Avery Island.

It is a pure tale of family woe.

The Mclhenny ancestor aquired the Island planted peppers and invented Tabasco Sauce that still feeds the family fortune. Somewhere along the line they discovered the island was a salt dome and began mining salt and still do. Then someone associated a salt dome with oil and the oil and gas wells began to come in. Later, Tabasco was so popular folks began to visit the island and admire the beauty and they made a sort of theme park.

To day, to get on the island, you must pay a toll.... $1

That family really knows how to use it’s assets and make a buck.

The Tabasco ice cream was terrific.


27 posted on 12/23/2009 8:21:07 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: Abathar

First, I flounder. Then I lobster......................


28 posted on 12/23/2009 8:23:15 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama - The first ever elected lame duck..............)
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To: TalBlack

God didn’t write the bible, man did.


29 posted on 12/23/2009 8:29:44 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Red Badger

That didn’t take long!


30 posted on 12/23/2009 8:29:52 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ops33; Joe 6-pack
I grew up in Mt.Pleasant, SC, just outside of Charleston.

Well, GEE WHIZ! This was right in your backyard!


THE TREE

31 posted on 12/23/2009 8:50:20 AM PST by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: Fiji Hill

Ah! But did he account for daylight savings time? ;-)


32 posted on 12/23/2009 8:55:17 AM PST by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: TalBlack

Try not to mix facts with beliefs... that’s where you seem to fail every time.


33 posted on 12/23/2009 10:55:11 AM PST by Thunder Smurf
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To: uglybiker

Pretty close, the Angel Oak is on Johns Island. Ain’t it beautiful!!


34 posted on 12/23/2009 11:12:18 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Abathar

“God didn’t write the bible, man did.”

According to God He wrote it. God says He wrote it, you say He didn’t. Not a tough decision here.


35 posted on 12/23/2009 11:25:28 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: Thunder Smurf
“Try not to mix facts with beliefs... that’s where you seem to fail every time.”

God is a fact. He is a fact greater supported by evidence than any view that He does not exist.

At any rate, as far as "facts" go I have never met a human being who believed any demonstrable fact he did not happen to like.

36 posted on 12/23/2009 11:32:32 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

So Constantine and the council who decided which of the writings done by different men over a thousand years were told by God which to include in it and which to destroy? Many of the old testament books were written hundreds of years after the fact, from stories handed down verbally from generation to generation. Don’t get me wrong - it’s not that I don’t believe in God, but if you ask me if man will change his words to suit their own ends then I will say yes.

Look to the works of John Taylor and his alteration of the King James Bible as a single case in point, there have been many others through time also of course.


37 posted on 12/23/2009 1:02:00 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar
“So Constantine and the council who decided which of the writings done by different men..”

Constantine and anybody else involved are an invention of God. If you accept the Truth of Almighty God's existence, that is if you believe in God, then you MUST accept that the words he handed down to us are PRECISELY accurate. Otherwise your god is a bungler, botch artist, clown, farcial ass, take your pick. If you DON'T happen to accept that there is an almighty God then obviously men composed the Bible but in that case who the the hell even cares?

But One who not only can see across time but also INVENTED it, One who knew your name and the number of hairs on your head all the way back at the dawn of Time is not bloody likely to feckup the words handed down. Frankly, if you were to task me with separating the night from the day and the sea from the firmament verses, say, getting the right lingo into a book I'd much rather take the latter assignment. One who could do the former isn't going to stumble much when it comes to accomplishing the latter

38 posted on 12/23/2009 1:38:34 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

Your post makes my point on this tread eloquently. No matter what proof of any kind is set before you if it goes against the teachings in a book you will never even open yourself up to the possibility of it being right.

There have been times in my life when I do envy people with your unwavering faith, I know I will never feel that strongly or surely about any belief, too much proof of the fallacy of man I guess.

We are at war with people who think exactly like you do but with another book, one that differs greatly from yours yet their argument for it is exactly the same, word for word. They use it to justify some of the worst acts of cruelty known to man, yet are sure it is His will they are doing it for.

I look at their argument, I look at yours, and if one is based on a man like Mohammad who would use his teachings to create a following that men are willing to kill over then I see others possibly doing it also.

I see people falling over themselves to throw their lives into the belief that an alien is imprisoned in a volcano somewhere. If L. Ron Hubbard lived 3000 years ago in that time frame could not his writings have been interpreted by millions also as divine?

I do believe that there is more to our lives that what science can ever show, but I just can’t put my faith in the ancient writings of people who were also struggling to understand where we came from and what it all means.


39 posted on 12/23/2009 2:23:19 PM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

“Your post makes my point on this tread eloquently. No matter what proof of any kind is set before you if it goes against the teachings in a book you will never even open yourself up to the possibility of it being right.”

YOU REDUCE ALL THINGS TO BEING EQUAL. THEY ARE NOT. THE BIBLE IS NOT ‘A BOOK’ ANY MORE THAN MOHAMMAD IS JESUS. THE BIBLE IS THE FIRST BOOK, WHICH TOLD OF THE SECOND BOOK (NEW TESTAMENT). MOHAMMAD WAS CENTURIES LATE AND A SAVIOUR SHORT (NOT TO MENTION HE CONTRADICTS THE FIRST BOOK).

YOU TAKE THE WORD OF GOD OUT OF CONTEXT TO DISMISS IT. BELIEF ISN’T LEGITIMIZED BECAUSE MANY SUBSCRIBE TO IT. IT MUST HAVE PROVANANCE. THE BIBLE, 1ST AND 2ND DOES.IT ISN’T ‘A BOOK’ IT IS THE FIRST.

There have been times in my life when I do envy people with your unwavering faith, I know I will never feel that strongly or surely about any belief, too much proof of the fallacy of man I guess.

MORES THE PITY. UNWAVERING FAITH IS NOT IGNORANT (AS IT IS POPULARLY DEPICTED IN OUR NEW DECAYED CULTURE)IT IS HARD COME BY AND IT IS A ROCK WHICH NEVER MOVES. I SUFFERED LIKE ALL HELL TO BE WHERE I AM TODAY. HISTORY IS FULL OF PEOPLE WHO HAD THE ROCK AT THEIR BACK. G. WASHINGTON, FOR INSTANCE, DIDN’T GALLOP ABOUT IN NO MANS LAND ALL BY HIMSELF. HE HAD THAT ROCK AT HIS BACK. I STARTED OUT THINKING GOD WAS A CREATION OF SISSYS, FAGGOTS AND OLD LADYS. I CAME TO THINKING OTHERWISE THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD AND BY PARSING THE WORDS AND APPLYING REASON. IF I’D EVER COME UP EMPTY I’D HAVE TOSSED THE LOT AS A FRUAD.

We are at war with people who think exactly like you do but with another book, one that differs greatly from yours yet their argument for it is exactly the same, word for word. They use it to justify some of the worst acts of cruelty known to man, yet are sure it is His will they are doing it for.

THIS IS A REPUGNANT CHEAPSHOT AND A SAD, THIN, WEAK, FIGLEAF

I look at their argument, I look at yours, and if one is based on a man like Mohammad who would use his teachings to create a following that men are willing to kill over then I see others possibly doing it also.

MORE OF THE SAME

I see people falling over themselves to throw their lives into the belief that an alien is imprisoned in a volcano somewhere. If L. Ron Hubbard lived 3000 years ago in that time frame could not his writings have been interpreted by millions also as divine?

NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. L RON HUBBARD COULD NO MORE HAVE AVOIDED CONTRADICTION INHERENT IN LOW ORIGIN THAN MOHAMMAD DID. AND HE WOULD HAVE NEEDED THE SAVAGE HORDES THAT MOHAMMAD COALESCED TO SPREAD HIS EARTHBOUND VIRUS. THE TORAH AND JESEUS CHRIST HAD NO HOMOGENOUS CULTURE OR ARMY TO INSPIRE AND SURVIVE. THAT IS A TELL RIGHT THERE. THE WORD OF GOD SHATTERS THE ETHER. THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVES US OUR EYES AND EARS. WE CAN ‘SEE’ AND ‘HEAR’ OR NOT, AS WE WISH.

... but I just can’t put my faith in the ancient writings of people who were also struggling to understand where we came from and what it all means.

BACK TO SQUARE ONE. GOD WROTE THE BIBLE OR THERE IS NO GOD.

Merry christmas my friend.


40 posted on 12/24/2009 7:36:44 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Note: this topic is dated 12/23/2009.
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Blast from the Past.

Thanks granite.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


41 posted on 06/01/2013 3:41:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Oy Vay!

I came to read about the tree and found a religious argument.

:sigh:

42 posted on 06/01/2013 3:46:51 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Join AAAA : Americans Against Acronym Abuse)
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To: SunkenCiv
My son lives here:

The World's Largest Wisteria Vine And Its History

43 posted on 06/01/2013 9:55:18 PM PDT by blam
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To: Blueflag

-——The tree CAN produce its own “seeds”-——

Not to be contentious but, the article says the acorns were infertile. Why the acorns are infertile is not stated.

My all American Chestnut trees produce infertile chestnuts if there is no pollen from another tree. Female flowers artificially pollinated produce fertile chestnuts while adjacent flowers not pollinated do not.

Also, those with blighted main stems produce new growth from the base. I never thought of this as clonal growth but as growth produced by extensive structure beneath the soil that is always blight free.


44 posted on 06/02/2013 4:46:20 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....Obama Denies Role in Government)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I’m afraid so, it’s frame four over and over and over again.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/calvinandhobbes1.jpg


45 posted on 06/02/2013 12:19:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: blam

Wow, in a tree-house, or what? ;’)


46 posted on 06/02/2013 12:19:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
There was an old oak, about like that one, where the Chacahoula/Brule Guillott road, Hwy 309, met up with Hwy 1.

Pretty much a landmark in this area, lots of old, old pictures of it.

Hurricane Gustov split it just about down the center to the base.

It took a tree removal crew several weeks to remove it and grind the stump.

I estimate the trunk was approx 9'-10' across.

Have seen pictures of it from back in the mid 1800's and it was just a massive back then.

Still not used to not seeing it there.

47 posted on 06/02/2013 12:48:33 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Trey Gowdy......Nuff said.)
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