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Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law? [Andy McCarthy]
National Review ^ | December 23, 2009 | Andy McCarthy

Posted on 12/23/2009 7:45:48 AM PST by greyfoxx39

Wednesday, December 23, 2009

Why Does Interpol Need Immunity from American Law?   [Andy McCarthy]

You just can't make up how brazen this crowd is. One week ago, President Obama quietly signed an executive order that makes an international police force immune from the restraints of American law.

Interpol is the shorthand for the International Criminal Police Organization. It was established in 1923 and operates in about 188 countries. By executive order 12425, issued in 1983, President Reagan recognized Interpol as an international organization and gave it some of the privileges and immunities customarily extended to foreign diplomats. Interpol, however, is also an active law-enforcement agency, so critical privileges and immunities (set forth in Section 2(c) of the International Organizations Immunities Act) were withheld. Specifically, Interpol's property and assets remained subject to search and seizure, and its archived records remained subject to public scrutiny under provisions like the Freedom of Information Act. Being constrained by the Fourth Amendment, FOIA, and other limitations of the Constitution and federal law that protect the liberty and privacy of Americans is what prevents law-enforcement and its controlling government authority from becoming tyrannical.

On Wednesday, however, for no apparent reason, President Obama issued an executive order removing the Reagan limitations. That is, Interpol's property and assets are no longer subject to search and confiscation, and its archives are now considered inviolable. This international police force (whose U.S. headquarters is in the Justice Department in Washington) will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.

Interpol works closely with international tribunals (such as the International Criminal Court — which the United States has refused to join because of its sovereignty surrendering provisions, though top Obama officials want us in it). It also works closely with foreign courts and law-enforcement authorities (such as those in Europe that are investigating former Bush administration officials for purported war crimes — i.e., for actions taken in America's defense).

Why would we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files which, therefore, will be beyond the ability of Congress, American law-enforcement, the media, and the American people to scrutinize?

Steve Schippert has more at ThreatsWatch, here.



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This is important folks. Obamugabe's "Civilian Police Force" may not be sufficient for his goals.
1 posted on 12/23/2009 7:45:48 AM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: brytlea; Diana in Wisconsin; Kakaze; Tammy8; unkus; metmom; Cap Huff; svcw; leapfrog0202; Concho; ..

Ping


2 posted on 12/23/2009 7:48:34 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (When will our national nightmare end?)
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To: greyfoxx39

I think it’s neat. This means it’ll be even more difficult to prosecute me if I need to put a few of them down.


3 posted on 12/23/2009 7:50:45 AM PST by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m waiting for the order to “Fix Bayonets”.


4 posted on 12/23/2009 7:51:08 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: TheZMan
I think it’s neat.

I think it sounds like preparation for an all out military style assault on the citizenry.

5 posted on 12/23/2009 7:52:29 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (When will our national nightmare end?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Forgot to ping you, Jim.


6 posted on 12/23/2009 7:53:09 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (When will our national nightmare end?)
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To: greyfoxx39

bttt


7 posted on 12/23/2009 7:55:22 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah."Our middle regiment, Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Executive order only applies to federal agencies, they still have no exemptions by the states, I doubt they will ever get it.


8 posted on 12/23/2009 7:55:33 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: greyfoxx39

What is the official WH explanation of why this was such an important thing for him right now? Has anyone asked?


9 posted on 12/23/2009 7:57:02 AM PST by Hildy
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To: greyfoxx39

Bump.


10 posted on 12/23/2009 7:58:37 AM PST by rbosque (11 year Freeper! The real reason the left wants to disarm us is becoming clearer.)
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To: greyfoxx39

It’ll never happen, not like you’ve worded. We have too many guns, and our military too observant.

Maybe they’ll be utilized to enforce the climate treaty that wasn’t? Not sure, but I’d be surprised to see them doing anything else.


11 posted on 12/23/2009 7:59:07 AM PST by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: greyfoxx39

glad i wasnt the onlyone shocked by this i actually posted the order off of whitehouse.gov and was blown away


12 posted on 12/23/2009 7:59:14 AM PST by remaxagnt (`)
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To: greyfoxx39

Let them come. I’m getting old waiting to have children born into a free country.

Lets end this farce once and for all so our children and grandchildren will know what we can only dimly remember.


13 posted on 12/23/2009 8:02:14 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks for the ping!


14 posted on 12/23/2009 8:06:14 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: greyfoxx39

wow. A foreign criminal enforcement agency on American soil without US supervision is blatantly unConstitutional and a flagrant disregard of U.S. soveriegnty.


15 posted on 12/23/2009 8:07:54 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: greyfoxx39; Fred Nerks

My current theory is that Interpol has “the goods” on Obama and was able to blackmail him into this executive order, telling him that it was the ONLY way to have “the goods” remain confidential, hidden from public eyes.


16 posted on 12/23/2009 8:08:46 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Why would we elevate an international police force above American law?

The answers may very well be in your worst nighmares. Not near enough attention has been given to this.



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17 posted on 12/23/2009 8:11:33 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: greyfoxx39

Obama just keeps on generating these “Molon Labe” moments; does he really want to challenge the largest armed force on Earth?


18 posted on 12/23/2009 8:13:09 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: TheZMan; greyfoxx39
I think it sounds like preparation for an all out military style assault on the citizenry.

It’ll never happen, not like you’ve worded. We have too many guns, and our military too observant.

Agreed, the armed American citizenry would make the Taliban look like girl scouts. If the Obama Administration thinks otherwise, they are sorely misinformed.

But hey, if they want to have a go...

19 posted on 12/23/2009 8:15:44 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: org.whodat
"Executive order only applies to federal agencies, they still have no exemptions by the states, I doubt they will ever get it."

From a purely constitutional standpoint, you are correct, but in practice a single sheet of charmin means more today.

20 posted on 12/23/2009 8:16:26 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

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21 posted on 12/23/2009 8:16:41 AM PST by manonCANAL
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To: greyfoxx39

This can’t be good.


22 posted on 12/23/2009 8:16:45 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: reagandemocrat

This obama guilt driven thing has to be dealt with before its too late. Obama has to be removed from office.

Every step is carefully calculated to diminish/destroy American might, sovereignty, its ability to defend itself and in turn replace it with a marxist dictatorship.

The buying of Obamacare senatorial votes highlights the attack on constitutional values... specifically representation by the people. The vast majority do not want it but yet the statute is being “bought” by Obama to complete his nefarious agenda. government control of the people, govt control of the economy, now he is edging in his new world order by bringing in a police force which has greater authority that the FBI, CIA and local police.

This bugger has to be voted out. The people need to be aware of the crap he is perpetrating on them!


23 posted on 12/23/2009 8:20:04 AM PST by himno hero
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To: Hildy
What is the official WH explanation of why this was such an important thing for him right now? Has anyone asked?

No info but my speculation is Obama had staff pull up a list of EOs implemented by Reagan and Bush as a laundry list of TODO's that would be repealed over time to placate leftists here and abroad. Obama probably played that chip in his discussions in Copenhagen to make it sound like he is doing something.

24 posted on 12/23/2009 8:22:16 AM PST by plain talk
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To: remaxagnt; Cindy
Previous threads discussing this order may be read here:

EO: AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION

And here:

Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425

Search for "interpol" didn't bring them up, sorry.

25 posted on 12/23/2009 8:30:27 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (When will our national nightmare end?)
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To: PapaBear3625
An INTERPOL branch in the US now cannot be searched, it's files are not subject to legal subpoena nor discovery. If any branch of government wants to keep documents out of the hands of the court system, just hand them over to INTERPOL until the smoke clears.

INTERPOL will now be able to maintain files on US citizens, and will be immune from FOIA requests.

by PapaBear3625

26 posted on 12/23/2009 8:36:21 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (When will our national nightmare end?)
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To: TheZMan

Good Point.

Interpol breaks down the door of an American and said American, fearing for his life, shoots and kills 3 chumps. Oops, they are part of the International Police Corp.

American is arrested and charged with something like manslaughter(what is the charge for killing some international thug, who broke into your house?)

American law says you get to confront your accuser and all the information leading to it, in discovery.

Interpol claims immunity and now what happens to the case?

Is the American hauled off to the Haig or ICC with approval from the U.S. government?


27 posted on 12/23/2009 8:38:26 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Let me see, order issued during east coast blizzard news cycle was freaking out on Senate Health Care debate. Not like they didn’t want attention focused on it or anything.


28 posted on 12/23/2009 8:53:09 AM PST by Rippin
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To: greyfoxx39

Well, this sure slipped by under the radar.


29 posted on 12/23/2009 8:53:48 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: greyfoxx39; All

Anyone know how Interpol is funded?


30 posted on 12/23/2009 9:07:34 AM PST by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: greyfoxx39

There was a hypothesis out there that interpol had info on Zero (specifically his documentation and travels) that needed to be “expunged” or otherwise permanently hidden ... lest he be found to be a muslim, kenyan, wannabe marxist dictator.

Has anyone found / heard more on this rumor?


31 posted on 12/23/2009 9:22:48 AM PST by Nobel_1 (bring on the Patriots!)
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To: greyfoxx39
>> [Interpol] will be unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law while it operates in the United States and affects both Americans and American interests outside the United States.

Senator Feingold, do you care?
32 posted on 12/23/2009 9:24:54 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The list, ping


33 posted on 12/23/2009 9:34:12 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Thanks, nachum


34 posted on 12/23/2009 9:36:42 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: greyfoxx39

This explains it very well. I was having a hard time explaining this simply.


35 posted on 12/23/2009 9:37:52 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

I still wonder why we need a “Police Stability Force”

www.rand.org/pubs/monographs/MG819/

Could obama really be preparing for civil war?

www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin554.htm


36 posted on 12/23/2009 9:39:21 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori
Could obama really be preparing for civil war?

Is it only Obama? It seems that there have been many warning signs for some time. Hard to point any of this out with out being called a kook.

37 posted on 12/23/2009 9:45:34 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: FromLori

http://newsrealblog.com/2009/12/23/the-left-feels-sold-out-by-president-obama-is-violence-coming/


38 posted on 12/23/2009 9:53:42 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: greyfoxx39

Just a guess.

Because they want to usher in Sharia Law and the 0bama civilian task force will help with this effort?


39 posted on 12/23/2009 10:03:28 AM PST by TheDailyChange (Politics,Conservatism,Liberalism)
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To: Nachum
Is it only Obama? It seems that there have been many warning signs for some time. Hard to point any of this out with out being called a kook.

IMO, the plan of Obamugabe and his dem minions is to completely control the election process before the 2010 elections and since he has already circumvented and ignored the Constitution in so many instances already, he is preparing to become either "President for Life", or to become permanent head of a world government.

Holder has complete control of the inJustice department and Obama is using his czars to circumvent the nation's current law.

This is a very scary time folks. One wonders when our own military will be used against the citizens.

I have followed Cathy Buckle's "Letters from Zimbabwe" for several years. I think Obamugabe is using Mugabe's actions as a blueprint for the US. This is "reparations from whites" in a nutshell.

40 posted on 12/23/2009 10:05:24 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: greyfoxx39
There's one minor mistake in the article.

EO 12425, issued by President Reagan in 1983 was also revised by ... CLINTON ... (surprise, surprise). Clinton also removed some of the restraints on INTERPOL which the original EO had.

I read them all yesterday but can't recall the specifics. Which is basically irrelevant in view of what Barry's done.

But 'series' if INTERPOL comes knocking on your door, will you care? Personally I give them less credence than any UN Blue Helmet that may appear on US soil. As far as I'm concerned the US Constitution is STILL the Supreme Law of the Land! So Barry can sign all the INTERPOL EO's he wants.

oh-oh. I'm now on Janet Nappy's DHS extremist list for saying the 'Constitution' is supreme. I think maybe I should be scared?

41 posted on 12/23/2009 10:07:29 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: greyfoxx39
So how do we get anybody outside this forum to care? That was a rhetorical question.
42 posted on 12/23/2009 10:14:24 AM PST by Excellence (Meet your new mother-in-law, the United States Government)
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To: tired1

Same way the UN is funded.


43 posted on 12/23/2009 10:18:54 AM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: Vendome
Interpol claims immunity and now what happens to the case?

Well, my take would be upon discovering the idiots were from interpol, said American grabs his bug out bag, extra ammo, and two of his closest like-minded friends...... and well, I'm sure you can figure out the rest. It's better than going bankrupt trying to defend against tyrany in a court controlled by tyrants.

Men with nothing to die for or kill for also have nothing to live for.....nor do they deserve the security provided by others.

44 posted on 12/23/2009 10:19:03 AM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: All

I think this has to do with future War Crimes Trials of previous leaders and officers.


45 posted on 12/23/2009 10:19:18 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Nachum

>> Could obama really be preparing for civil war?

Is it only Obama? It seems that there have been many warning signs for some time. Hard to point any of this out with out being called a kook. <<

It’s been a long time coming, the question is what will the match be that starts the fire?

Right now the Constitution is the water in the tinderbox. And this administration has a Blow Dryer....


46 posted on 12/23/2009 10:21:53 AM PST by GraceG
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To: editor-surveyor
does he really want to challenge the largest armed force on Earth?

Maybe.

He can either destroy the US without resistance or destroy it thru resistance.

He is a cancer on the country and needs to be treated that way and soon, too, before it is too late.

47 posted on 12/23/2009 10:27:16 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: greyfoxx39

“I think it sounds like preparation for an all out military style assault on the citizenry. “

Exactly.

I wonder what their uniforms look like..


48 posted on 12/23/2009 10:28:31 AM PST by Track9 (I'd rather be ruled by the first 100 names in the phonebook)
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To: Condor51
As far as I'm concerned the US Constitution is STILL the Supreme Law of the Land!

Unfortunately, the current governng bodies of this country don't seem to agree with that! Just wait for the next to appointees to SCOTUS!

49 posted on 12/23/2009 10:33:00 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Reminds me of the Hessians (sp?) that were paid fighters for the British during the Revolution......


50 posted on 12/23/2009 10:34:43 AM PST by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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