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California Official Orders Removal of Christmas Angel After Complaint
Fox News ^ | Dec 23, 2009 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 12/23/2009 8:26:45 AM PST by SmartInsight

There's no place for angels atop Christmas trees, according to one California man who successfully lobbied for the removal of religious symbols at county buildings after spotting a yuletide decoration last week.

Stars and other religious emblems were ordered removed from Christmas trees in all government buildings in Sonoma County on Monday following a complaint by Irv Sutley, a disabled 65-year-old Marine veteran who said the symbols were "extremely offensive" and part of the "cult" of Christianity.

Sutley said he filed the complaint with acting County Administrator Chris Thomas on Dec. 18 after noticing an angel atop a six-foot tree in the lobby of the county recorder's office. Sutley, a lifelong atheist and chairman of the county's Peace and Freedom Party, said he visited the office last week for his re-election bid next June.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: angel; atheists; christmas; constitution; freedomofreligion; religion
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Why did the officials go along with this?

Let him sue.

This is preposterous.

1 posted on 12/23/2009 8:26:46 AM PST by SmartInsight
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To: SmartInsight

If I complain about the CA officials, will they be removed?


2 posted on 12/23/2009 8:27:35 AM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: SmartInsight

How is a Star a religious symbol?


3 posted on 12/23/2009 8:28:48 AM PST by NMEwithin
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To: SCalGal

Complain about Irv Sutley - have him removed.


4 posted on 12/23/2009 8:28:59 AM PST by eCSMaster
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To: SmartInsight
"Irv Sutley, a disabled 65-year-old Marine veteran"

LOL! Thats like simply describing hitler as a former WW1 veteran. Google this guy! He was accused in a murder for hire plot, provided a gun to someone accused in a terrorist attack on a US military base, and was a member of the communist party. Do your homework on this loser!

5 posted on 12/23/2009 8:29:17 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: SmartInsight

I’m not sure which is worse. The complaining moron, or the neutered chicken-sh*ts who listen to the moron’s complaints.


6 posted on 12/23/2009 8:29:58 AM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: SmartInsight

It seems his disability went to his head, which I find extremely offensive... let’s remove it. /s


7 posted on 12/23/2009 8:30:16 AM PST by granite ("We dare not tempt them with weakness" - JFK)
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To: SmartInsight

It’s almost like there’s a squad of these people who go around to public places every Christmas looking to be offended. One problem we have is that we have too many lawyers who made an industry of pushing these bogus claims.


8 posted on 12/23/2009 8:30:41 AM PST by YankeeReb (There's no such thing as Free Health care OR a JOBLESS RECOVERY)
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To: NMEwithin

I dunno- Sutley must have suffered atheistic agony everytime he saw a row of stars on his CINC’s shirt collar or sees them on a US flag like the one that will drape his coffin someday

but stars are missing from my liberal town’s “holiday tree”, too


9 posted on 12/23/2009 8:32:06 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: icwhatudo

Looks like the papers were very selective about how they portrayed him!

Can you imagine how they wuld have described him if he were conservative!


10 posted on 12/23/2009 8:32:38 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: SmartInsight

Irv Sutley, you are “extremely Offensive” to me, I want you removed.


11 posted on 12/23/2009 8:35:43 AM PST by anoldafvet (If you set out to deliberately destroy the economy, what would you do different from Obama?)
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To: icwhatudo

It is only later in the article they mention:

“a lifelong atheist and chairman of the county’s Peace and Freedom Party”

“The Peace and Freedom Party is an open, multi-tendency, movement-oriented socialist party. We are united in our common commitment to socialism, democracy, feminism and unionism and our common opposition to capitalism, imperialism, racism, sexism and elitism.”

http://www.peaceandfreedom.org/home/


12 posted on 12/23/2009 8:36:05 AM PST by SmartInsight (Dems in power are a clear and present danger to our freedom and the survival of our nation.)
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To: SmartInsight

Why don’t these people ever stand in front of a mosque and scream that there is no allah!


13 posted on 12/23/2009 8:38:04 AM PST by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: SmartInsight

Irv Sutley, a disabled 65-year-old Marine veteran, said the symbols were "extremely offensive."

14 posted on 12/23/2009 8:38:23 AM PST by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: NMEwithin

The same way a crescent moon is.... therefore, I want the stars and stripes pulled off the flag and want them replaced by something more calming lie one crescent moon.....


15 posted on 12/23/2009 8:38:40 AM PST by himno hero
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To: SmartInsight

Y’know what? It offends me to be forced to watch some woman covered from head to toe with a burka, too, but no one puts an end to that in this country. It offends me to look at pictures of Mao on the Christmas tree in my country’s capital. It offends me to see the man posing as President refuse to show respect for our nation’s flag. So when can we put a stop to all the things that offend me, or does that only apply to country-hating, God-hating goose-stepping jackboots?


16 posted on 12/23/2009 8:40:53 AM PST by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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To: SmartInsight

That’s not a Christmas angel, it’s a Christmas Atheist with a tree stuck up his a....


17 posted on 12/23/2009 8:41:36 AM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: SmartInsight
angel_starirv_sutley


Offensive? The one on the left or the right?
18 posted on 12/23/2009 8:45:43 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: SmartInsight
That say "once a Marine, always a Marine," but as an old Fly Boy Nam Vet, I would take exception to this turd in a punch bowl!

If one wants to believe--or not--is besides the issue

That he or anyone would go so far as to impose their non-beliefs on 80% of the rest of us, is an abomination and goes to the heart of the non-believers' intolerance!"

IT'S THE REASON FOR THE SEASON!

Apologies to all other Marines

19 posted on 12/23/2009 8:45:59 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: TaxPayer2000

He looks like an angry pri*k. Hope he takes a dirt nap soon.


20 posted on 12/23/2009 8:49:56 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan.....a Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: SmartInsight
"To avoid any controversy and to satisfy this gentleman's concerns, the ornaments were removed," said Toomey, adding that he knew of no prior complaints concerning the holiday display." Let me get this straight. All you have to do is voice a "concern" and the local politicians will give you whatever you want in order to "avoid controversy."? Well, *I* have concerns, Mr. Toomey and there will be a whole LOT of "controversary" if that e-mail instruction to remove is not rescinded.
21 posted on 12/23/2009 8:50:50 AM PST by Walrus (My congressman is toast in 2010 --- how about yours?)
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To: SmartInsight

some one should have told him to stay in his house if he’s offended....I am tired of assholes numbering 1 ONE changing things for the many...


22 posted on 12/23/2009 8:51:03 AM PST by The Wizard (I support Madame President, the only President in America today)
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To: SCalGal
If I complain about the CA officials, will they be removed?

Feel free to try...And when ya get done there you can start on the the Alabama state officials who ordered the plaque/monument of the Ten Commandments removed from a the state house and into the basement there, a few years back...

23 posted on 12/23/2009 8:54:03 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: NMEwithin
How is a Star a religious symbol?

Well, many people, including _resident Obama, worship this star...


24 posted on 12/23/2009 8:54:39 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: SmartInsight

If 98% of the population finds the city action to remove the decorations “extremely offensive,” do we win on the same grounds? Isn’t this a two-way street? We are all victims of a minority on one “offended” individual.

And how, exactly, does an angel atop a tree run afoul of “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” A municipal government’s display of decorations couldn’t possible be more further afield from Congress passing a law to establish a religion.


25 posted on 12/23/2009 8:55:54 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SmartInsight
The 'atheist' IRVING Sutley is a loser. IRVING Sutley

IRVING was in the Marines though (#1976961) from 62 to 70, but he never went to Vietnam -- kind of odd for a Marine of that era? -- but NOT surprisingly, he never rose above the rank of Private E-1.

It's also kinda funny how all (or most) of these 'atheists' like IRVING and pain-in-the-ass Michael Newdow, who get their jollies suing over every 'Christian Symbol or God' that they see, are of Jewish heritage. And that many like IRVING are Communists to boot.

26 posted on 12/23/2009 8:58:30 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: SmartInsight

Irv Sutley, get off my planet! Your self-importance is causing the Earth to wobble!


27 posted on 12/23/2009 8:59:52 AM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Marxism.)
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To: SmartInsight

We have to havbe people who ignore or fight these
type of people. Can’t the good citizen tell
these people to stick it....We miss john Wayne and
Ron. JK


28 posted on 12/23/2009 9:08:21 AM PST by sanjacjake
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To: silverleaf

Apparently he only joined the military to cause trouble:

A personal story; private E-1 Irv Sutley, service number 1976961.
Publication: American Atheist Newsletter

http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2369797/A-personal-story-private-E.html

“All of the new enlistees were required to attend one of four religious meetings: protestant, catholic, buddhist, or jewish. In front of a battalion formation, I refused to attend any of these compulsory activities—basing my refusal on constitutional grounds that the government has no right to compel an individual or class of persons to attend any sectarian activity. This refusal enraged my platoon’s non-commissioned officers (the infamous Marine Corps drill instructors) as well as my company’s commanding officer. But despite threats of a court-martial, along with personal and off the record warnings and threats, I was determined to hold my ground.

During my eight year enlistment (all of which I spent as a Private E-1), I never saluted any officer who was a military chaplain”


29 posted on 12/23/2009 9:12:43 AM PST by SmartInsight (Dems in power are a clear and present danger to our freedom and the survival of our nation.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Lrr Harvey Oswald was an ex-marine too.

Being a Marine is a proud heritage spoiled by dipsticks like this.

One clown claims offense and everybody else has to suffer.

It is offensive to me that this turkey is getting disability from the Marine Corps.


30 posted on 12/23/2009 9:16:25 AM PST by Venturer
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To: SmartInsight

UGH!


31 posted on 12/23/2009 9:18:07 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: SmartInsight

Tell me one time where this situation went differently? Why do we become outraged? Is our outrage any different than this man’s?

A plastic angel on a pagan tree erected by a godless government entity to give us a false impression that they are righteous. Our great leader mocks us with his own decorations. Our leaders in congress are passing a devious health care bill on the celebrated eve of my Savior’s birth.

Our country turned it’s back on the Lord. It should be no surprise that He is turning his back on us.


32 posted on 12/23/2009 9:52:15 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: icwhatudo

lol I saw another FR article and did a brief search and that stuff popped up :)


33 posted on 12/23/2009 9:54:33 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream.)
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To: SmartInsight

Wonder if the officials of Sonoma County would so the same thing if those atheists who are putting up their signs saying there is no God put one up?

I mean, would the officials of Sonoma county tell the atheists they have to take down their signs because they are offensive to believers?

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.


34 posted on 12/23/2009 9:56:51 AM PST by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/user/GloriaJane)
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To: SmartInsight

It is a federal holiday, let him sue. Change the laws that frivilous lawsuits must bear all court costs.


35 posted on 12/23/2009 10:09:54 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: mlizzy

Both are offensive, I hate cutsy Angels that look like girls....Angels are mighty warrior creatures not pansy little cherubs.


36 posted on 12/23/2009 10:11:29 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: SmartInsight
and our common opposition to capitalism

Yet he seems content to live off a disability pension from our capitalist government.

37 posted on 12/23/2009 10:18:49 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (M)
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To: SmartInsight
This guy is a real piece of work!

He is petitioning to have a cross removed that someone put up to memorialize a person who died because it was put there without a permit! It just doesn't get any lower than that.

He is a Grinch!

It amazes me how atheists simply cannot bare the sight of religious images, especially the cross. If you don't believe, than you should be fine with seeing a cross, an angel, or a star of David.

I cannot believe that ONE person can have this much pull. This happens all of the time! ONE person complains, and the cross, etc. are gone.

Incredible!

38 posted on 12/23/2009 11:13:00 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: icwhatudo

You have to be kidding me. I like how the journo’s leave info like that out.

Fools!


39 posted on 12/23/2009 11:14:32 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: TaxPayer2000

His face is extremely offensive. It should be removed promptly!


40 posted on 12/23/2009 11:16:04 AM PST by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: icwhatudo

LOL — all I had to do was read he is from “Sonoma” in this story and I knew all I needed to know about this idiot.


41 posted on 12/23/2009 11:17:41 AM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: SmartInsight

Every time I see things like this I smile. I wonder if they have every been to the city of angels, Saint Joseph or that other near by city Saint Francis?


42 posted on 12/23/2009 11:18:17 AM PST by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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To: SmartInsight

Religion can not be banned from the public square. See the First Amendment.


43 posted on 12/23/2009 11:21:27 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: SmartInsight
Who do I see about having the crescent moon removed from the sky at night?

It is an Islamic religious symbol, and I am offended by it!

44 posted on 12/23/2009 11:23:39 AM PST by airborne (HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS !!!!!!!!!)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
St. Michael the Archangel




"Both are offensive, I hate cutsy Angels that look like girls....Angels are mighty warrior creatures not pansy little cherubs."

Don't know if you like this depiction of St. Michael by Crivelli, but it's one of my favorites as he's about to slay one mighty horrible looking devil.
45 posted on 12/23/2009 11:59:24 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

Beautiful, thanks.


46 posted on 12/23/2009 3:32:12 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: GlassArson

Wow! This guy is great! I wish we all could be like him!


47 posted on 12/23/2009 5:17:35 PM PST by Joan912 (where are you, planet x?)
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To: Joan912

Geez. He sounds like a real winner, this one...

Maybe his shoes are too tight or his head isn’t screwed on just right.


48 posted on 12/23/2009 5:56:10 PM PST by GlassArson (Calm me with your lies, your simple tragedy)
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To: SmartInsight

Socialist party? More like the jack-boot wannbe-thugs-someday-under-0bama club.

Someone should slap this guy for his stupidity.


49 posted on 12/23/2009 6:29:02 PM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: SCalGal
If I complain there is NO angel on top of the tree, will they put it back on?
If I complain because I find it offensive that Obama ornaments which hang on Christmas trees representing the season of the birth of Christ, are being sold in the stores, will all the stores cease from selling them?
50 posted on 12/23/2009 8:31:13 PM PST by PJKI
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