Skip to comments.10 Red States Now Questioning Nelson Deal
Posted on 12/23/2009 12:13:54 PM PST by reaganaut1
At least 10 states are now raising questions about the legality of the deal that Senator Ben Nelson, a Democrat, cut for his home state of Nebraska during the health care negotiations.
Under the agreement, which is on the verge of being approved Thursday by the Senate, Nebraska is permanently exempt from paying for its expansion of Medicaid, shoving that cost onto taxpayers in every other state.
Mr. Nelson was able to exercise such leverage because in exchange, he was providing the magical 60th vote that Democrats needed to advance their health care bill.
The deal has enraged other Senators, especially those from red states, whose Republican Senators didnt bring home any pork at all because they were not part of the negotiations with Democratic leaders. Several other Democratic Senators did get concessions for their states, but no deal has hit the nerve struck by Mr. Nelsons.
Attorneys general in at least 10 states held a conference call late Tuesday to consider how they might challenge the deal, which they call federally subsidized vote-buying.
Some say it is certainly unfair and may be unconstitutional.
Troy King, the attorney general in Alabama, told MSNBC on Wednesday that the Constitution was not written to allow the subsidization of a backroom deal.
The Constitution, he said, was written to protect citizens from arbitrary and capricious decisions by Congress, not for Congress to force Alabama to subsidize vote-buying.
Could the growing backlash threaten passage of the health care bill? Mr. Nelson has said that he would vote for the bill only if nothing in it were changed. That makes it seem unlikely that Democratic leaders would try to undo the bill before the Thursday vote because doing so could threaten final passage.
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Even if the constitutionality of this provision in the bill it would only address Nelson’s bribe. The remainder of the bill would remain intact.
Mr Nelson has said a lot of things, none of which are to be believed.
All the Dem leadership has to do is remove this provision from the bill in conference committee. They only need 51 senators to pass it now.
At least it would be nice to see that Nelson sold out for squat.
I read a day or so ago about several states that were going to sue over this (bill and Nelson, I think).
Hopefully it would go straight to the USSC. Then, with it’s make-up now ... the decision is any body’s guess.
Mr. Nelson was able to exercise such leverage because in exchange, he was providing the magical 60th vote
To the RAT mind, that’s ALL that matters. Not history, not the US Constitution, not the will of the American people.
RATS are sickeningly CORRUPT period.
Yep, even Nelson can vote “no” now and try to salvage himself with enraged Nebraskans.
It’s past time we enforce the 10th Amendment and remind Congress just who created it.
The deal has enraged other Senators, especially those from red states, whose Republican Senators didnt bring home any pork at all because they were not part of the negotiations with Democratic leaders.
Uh, so what mattered was the pork? Leave it to the New York Slimes...
Nelson you dumbass whore; they are going to take your 30 pieces of silver away from you and put abortion funding back in at conference committee. Then it will be too late for you to stop the bill and you will have nothing.
I’m sure he knows it’ll be knocked down in the Supreme Court, but he’ll brag he got it put in for NE anyhow.
Yep, even Nelson can vote no now and try to salvage himself with enraged Nebraskans.
Too bad it won’t work. I think he’s GONE. Sellout - and with his talk about pro-life to boot...grrr...
Just curious... why do they only need 51 votes NOW? i thought the nuclear option was for “budget” reasons....
There’s some blue ones that should too. Fools.
Nelson is a Democrat. He will vote the way is party dictates - regardless of the payoff.
In the perverted minds of the liberal socialists, “some states are more equal than others.”
Im sure he knows itll be knocked down in the Supreme Court, but hell brag he got it put in for NE anyhow.
If he did that, it would be truly idiotic. He’ll do it.
[Yep, even Nelson can vote no now and try to salvage himself with enraged Nebraskans.]
Nelson is done. He will never be re-elected. If this provision is taken out and then then changes his vote to no, he will not only look corrupt but incompetent and foolish. People will not forget that he is the one who moved this bill on for final passage.
In the perverted minds of the liberal socialists, some states are more equal than others.
It’s the “more equal” doctrine...lol...
I wonder if it would be possible to ask Supreme Court to look at this immediately (just like they looked at 2000 FL election chaos immediately).
It would be nice if Supreme Court, in an emergency session, declared this unconstitutional (naturally, by 5-4 margin). At least that might allow Nelson to back down and oppose the deal and save the country.
Anyway, given the tactical and strategic competence of GOP, there is zero chance of GOP pushing that option. (Dems would certainly do that, if not for other reason then at least to make it as uncomfortable to the other party as possible).
(The irony of which Senator Nelson will be able to contemplate in his retirement)
It doesn’t matter if it is unconstitutional anymore. “Our” congress is sort of “Christmas/Easter” constitutionalists. They only bring it out for show, and then just do whatever the h#11 they want.
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They should also be questioning the other Nelson deal. Nelson of Florida.
They only need 51 senators to pass it now.
If you’re talking about the nuclear option, they’d really have to change this bill to do that. Then it may not make the stupid SOTU deadline...and it may not work...but they may try it anyhow...wouldn’t put ANYTHING past these criminals/traitors.
Where, oh where are people that love our Constitution...it’s do or DIE time...it’s coming down to that.
After the bill comes out of conference, they still need 60 votes to close debate.
Maybe the SCOTUS will get a chance to rule on this. It would be nice if they finally decided to reign in the power of the feds, and go back to original intent/states rights. Not holding my breath, but maybe the majority would realize how far down the slippery slope we’ve gone and realize Venezuela may be in our future.
Debra Medina is a my choice.
Big payoffs to senators on health bill stoke public anger
“we’re comin’ and we’re bringin hell with us”.
I didn't realize we were that close to falling off the cliff. I thought it was still 60. This is so depressing.
If this weren't leading to what will likely be very unpleasant circumstances, it would be laughable.
IMHO all who vote yes for this unconstitutional bill should be tried for treason!
Well it is how the NY Times views this country now..blue and red.
Can’t WAIT for the civil war. How quick it will be!
Maybe we can get some teeth back in the 10th amendment??
This whole thing (not just the Nelson part) is a mess that is almost if not in fact of the proportion to which the term “crisis” could be applied.
So what’s going on in the background that this is covering up, that we don’t know about?
Washington state is a Red state?
Since his agreement will eventually be tossed out, it means Nelson was bribed... with nothing.
All they gave him was cover. He can claim he got something for Nebraska when in fact he got nothing. Its bad enough to sell out like Mary Landrieu did, but at least she got $300 billion for her vote. Nelson sold out for nothing.
This is so spot on. Good for these brave people for speaking out against this outlandish and unconstitutional behavior.
Come on America, wake up. Vote these SOBs out
It is still 60, conference reports are subject to Senate rules of debate.
How about it’s against the law to bribe?
The deal has enraged other Senators,...
The other senators aren’t the only enraged Americans. One of these days, one of these Washington bozos is gonna catch something really hard upside the head. If push comes to shove, better be the shover, and not the shovee.
Is it possible to get a Judicial Restraining Order on pending legislation?
[We have two choices for Gov. in Texas.]
I think you are remiss for not being honest here. We have at least four choices. T@urd sandwich (Perry), d@uche bag (K), eloquent spokesman (White) and Mr. I-am-not-a-Democrat Democrat (Mr. Chi)!
Sad, but I think I will order the t@rd sandwich!