Skip to comments.Immigration reform bill introduced in Congress
Posted on 12/24/2009 6:39:02 AM PST by americanophile
-snip- For the first time in two years, a measure billed as "comprehensive immigration reform" has been introduced in Congress.
The bill HR 4321 filed Tuesday by Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., incorporates most of the provisions of a measure introduced in June by Rep. Mike Honda, D-Campbell.
At last count Tuesday night, it had 89 co-sponsors.
Honda's bill focused on legal immigration issues such as eliminating visa backlogs and giving green-card holders the same rights as citizens to bring their spouses and children to the U.S. But Gutierrez's bill is much more sweeping. It includes a provision that would allow the country's 12 million illegal immigrants to legalize by paying a $500 fine, learning English and passing a criminal-background check.
It would also require employers to check a federal database to verify the immigration status of job applicants.
In 2007, the last time Congress grappled with the issue, a bipartisan Senate bill sponsored by Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., failed when Republicans blocked votes over the amnesty issue.
But Democrats think immigration reform has a better shot this time around.
"Now, we have the White House," Honda said Tuesday. "And now we have leadership in both houses that want to see it happen."
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-San Francisco, says she will let the Senate take up the issue first after Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., files his version of the immigration reform bill after the holiday break.
Groups that favor decreased immigration were quick to pounce on the legislation.
"It certainly has everything in there for every special-interest group from amnesty for illegal aliens at the bargain-basement price of 500 bucks, to increased family-based immigration, to increased employment-based immigration," said Ira Mehlman
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I am so sick of these people, I just hope the Republicans have the backbone to fight all these future bills until the elections.
So now we use this in conjunction with the healthcare bill. Let the American people now that if millions of illegals are granted amnesty they will qualify for healthcare which the American taxpayer will be paying for. They will be taking more jobs that Americans are now taking to feed their families. Obama and the rats are going to have one hell of a fight on their hands. We need to go after this administration with everything we’ve got. Drive his numbers into the ground.
Thank goodness the “clauses that prevent future Congresses from changing them” aren’t worth the paper they are printed on. Future Congresses will have the same authority to change them as the current Congress has to enact them.
When enough american citizens have nothing left to lose then there will be a diiferent kind of “change” than the sort the great zero forsaw.
The Democrats are on a suicide mission.
I read until I got to “twelve million”. How stupid do they think we are.
Absolutely, we need to mount a huge offense NOW! Get those Republicans on-board before it’s too late.
And we need to get the word out re: their real motives. They don’t care about these people (illegals) they’re trying to ensure their re-election after they turned against the American people with their healthcare.
Lt. Col. Allen West put it in one word the other day:
I wish I was as optimistic as you. If that was the case (”not worth the paper they are printed on”), then that section would be illegal. Until someone challenges it in court and a ruling is made, be very aware of what they are capable of - future congresses will not be able to change the law until it is challenged.
Think about it. Let’s imagine that, next year, the Republicans take over both houses of Congress. (I’m not saying that will happen, I’m just saying, suppose they do.) They pass legislation containing language that reverses the provisions that were “permanent.” Who or what is going to do anything about that? Congress can change any law it wants, and doesn’t have wait for a court challenge to do so. Separation of powers, remember? A current Congress cannot tie the hands of a future Congress.
Unlawful and unconstitutional. Unless we get one more Sotomayor on SCOTUS. Then we go to Hitlerville.
In a sad, perverse way, it doesn’t really matter how many illegals are added to the “free” health care bandwagon.
The so called health bill will be the nail in coffin of the teetering economy. If we crash as hard as it is beginning to look like we will, no one is getting squat.
However, these 12 million (more lie 15-18 million) illegals are going to be a lot less constrained by civil niceties when it comes to getting what they need in a collapse than most Americans. Libs without weapons are going to be the first victims.
Yeah, more like 36 million.
“Now we have the White House,” as congress critter Honda said. Hell, two years ago, George W. Bush was president and he was 100% on board with amnesty. Anyone remember his “See you at the signing” comment?
Healthcare takeover, cap ‘n tax, amnesty....looks like the democrats WANT a revolution!
We can retake the House which will give us some leverage.
And add some Senators, so we can filibuster.
I think there's that many in California alone.
The Terrorist Assistance and Facilitation Act (Comprehensive Immigration Reform)
Also, this is a good day to remember the death by illegal alien of Bob Clark and his son, who gave us the movie “A Christmas Story”.
Let me answer your question - O will veto it. Any more questions?
A veto can be overcome.
Oh dear. I can tell you’ve never been there. You just attach it to a funding bill that contains something he and his followers want. Any more questions? How do you think they got Bush to sign any number of crappy pieces of legislation? They attached them to defense approps bills.
Radical Amnesty Bill Introduced in House
On Tuesday, December 15, open borders advocate Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) introduced H.R. 4321, the “Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America’s Security and Prosperity Act of 2009,” (CIR ASAP). H.R. 4321 would grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, dramatically increase legal immigration, and create loopholes in existing penalties in exchange for promises of “enforcement” in the future. (See FAIR’s Legislative Updates from October 19, 2009 and December 14, 2009). At introduction, CIR ASAP had over 90 original co-sponsors in the House of Representatives. (See Cosponsor listing).
CIR ASAP contains several amnesty programs, including AgJOBS (Title IV, Subtitle B); the DREAM Act (sprinkled throughout the bill); and a broad amnesty program through which millions of illegal aliens could obtain “earned legalization” (Title IV, Subtitle A). These provisions are in many ways similar to those in the Bush-Kennedy Amnesty Bill of 2007, except that several significant requirements have been weakened. For example, for an illegal alien to receive amnesty under H.R.4321, he or she does not even have to establish employment, only that he or she is an active member of the community.
In addition to granting amnesty, CIR ASAP would dramatically increase legal immigration by:
Recapturing purportedly “unused” family and employment-based green cards from 1992 to 2008 (§301(a)-(b)). According to State Department data, this provision alone could bring in as many as 550,000 immigrants-all of whom would compete with American workers for jobs. (U.S. State Department, Unused Family and Employment Preferences Numbers Available for Recapture, Fiscal Years 1992-2007).
Expanding the definition of “immediate relatives” to include children and spouses of lawful permanent residents. (§302). This would allow an unlimited number of these children and spouses to immediately qualify for a visa.
Increasing the annual per country limits on family and employment-based visas from seven percent to ten percent. (§303). Under current law, each foreign country has a seven percent share of the total cap of visas allocated each year.
In exchange for the multiple amnesties and massive increases in legal immigration proposed in the bill, H.R. 4321 contains measures ostensibly aimed at strengthening immigration “enforcement.” Upon closer examination, however, CIR ASAP would actually undermine the enforcement of our immigration laws. For example, the bill would:
Repeal the highly successful 287(g) program, which allows federal officials to train state and local law enforcement agencies in the enforcement of federal immigration laws. (§184).
Establish a new, untested electronic employee verification system. (§201). This would completely reverse years of progress made with respect to E-Verify.
Temporarily suspend Operation Streamline pending a re-evaluation of the program’s future viability. (§125(a)). Operation Streamline is a highly successful, zero-tolerance program that targets illegal aliens for immediate prosecution upon apprehension at or near the border. After Operation Streamline was put into effect in December 2006, the Yuma, Arizona sector saw nearly 1200 prosecutions in the first 9 months. Border apprehensions decreased by 70 percent. (CBP Press Release, July 24, 2007).
Prohibit the Armed Forces and the National Guard from assisting in securing the border unless: (1) the President declares a national emergency, or (2) the use of the Armed Forces/National Guard is required for specific counter-terrorism duties. (§131(a) & (b)).
Require the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to identify and inventory the current personnel, human resources, assets, equipment, supplies, or other physical resources dedicated to border security and enforcement prior to any increase in these categories. (§114(a); §116(a)).
At a press conference announcing the introduction of his bill, Rep. Gutierrez indicated that his bill was to set the Congressional Hispanic Caucus’s standard for immigration reform legislation. However, he also acknowledged that the Senate will most likely be the first chamber to act on amnesty legislation. While a bill has not yet been introduced in the Senate, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is planning to introduce a bill in early 2010, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has indicated he will kick off the amnesty debate sometime in February or March. (Congressional Quarterly, December 15, 2009).
FAIR will be releasing a more detailed summary of the Gutierrez amnesty bill shortly. Stay tuned for our in-depth analysis.
...and Merry Christmas.
Absolute chaos, just what they are trying to do.
Guess what happens when the chaos starts? If you said complete govt. control score 200 points and pass go.
“This could mean somewhere between 50-100 million illegals could flood our welfare system almost overnight. That at time when obamcarer will shrink the available doctors depending on just how many quit.
Absolute chaos, just what they are trying to do.
Guess what happens when the chaos starts? If you said complete govt. control score 200 points and pass go.”
You’re right, rodguy911. Wish you weren’t, but you are.
Well now that they’ve completely bucked their voters, they’re going to need new supporters. :)
Nope, he will still veto it. This trumps everything else - this is a game changer - think strategically, not tactically.
You asked a question, I answered it. You have obviously not been paying attention for the past 20 years. Are you telling me that a Republican-controlled Congress and a Republican in the White House couldn’t change something? What is BO going to do about anything after he leaves office? In politics, nothing is forever, including BO. Likewise, nothing is untrumpable. And puh-lease, stop condescending to me, or I will think you are one of those people who can’t stand it when women disagree with them. All that said, I think there are several kinds of bills that he would not veto regardless of non-germane amendments.
That has been tried before, its supposedly unconstitutional.
a provision that would allow the country's 12 million illegal immigrants to legalize by paying a $500 fine, learning English and passing a criminal-background check.
Not just no, HELL NO! Anybody here want to bet me a sawbuck that any of this will happen, or will they just be waved past the checkpoint? Anybody? Nobody for sucker bets, huh?
It would also require employers to check a federal database to verify the immigration status of job applicants.
They should ALREADY be required to do this. If the EPA can literally regulate the air I breathe (out), why can't we make employers obey the immigration laws using the regulatory agencies? Anybody want to bet that if this DOES become law, violations will be treated the Charlie Rangel's tax evasion?
All I can think of is next year's elections.
When your party(the dems) has way less than a 50/50 chance you gotta wonder who will bankroll that.
“It includes a provision that would allow the country’s 12 million illegal immigrants to legalize...”....
no matter the means...it will be very interesting to see how many of OUR congresscritters and prospective presidential candidates support this.
Obummer cannot stay in office forever unless he proclaims himself king or president for life and disbands Congress altogether.
Unfortunately, someone else has been not paying attention for the past 20+ years. I am only too aware of how futile the efforts of previous administrations have been to repeal large Dem mandates.
And yes, to answer your question, yes, a Repub House/Senate and a Repub President will not change something. To understand why, just see how hard it has been for us over the years to push back even modest increases in the Federal government. To understand history, go back approximately 29 years to the 1980 campaign when Reagan made the rollback and dissolution of the Dept. of Education (established by the Carter administration) a center piece of his campaign, similar to the current situation. Despite a Republican Senate, he could not accomplish this. Of course, the House was still Democratic, but later Presidents found it (and will find it) increasingly harder as the entitlements and federal programs became more entrenched. This is an important lesson - even the most significant conservative takeover of the Government of the past generation, led by Reagan and the Senate sweep of 1980 was not enough to overturn the Dept. Of Education. This bill is much more pervasive and long-reaching in its scope.
My point is that history teaches us that large federal programs, once enacted, are almost impossible to roll back and end. That is the lesson of history. How I wish it were otherwise. To believe somehow this is going to change at some future date is ignoring strong and overwhelming historical evidence.
the first week of us being in power I want to see everything this Marxist has done undone.
I want to see him on TV seeing everything being thrown away in front of his eyes.
I want this health care bill overturned, interpol gets told to piss off etc.
The likes of Jennings will be gone and so will all they have done to our schools.
I also want those who have been ignoring the constitution and passing bills illegally up on charges and then the black panthers will have charges again put against them as they should have done.
Then the likes of ACORN I want to see investigated and those jailed, cut of funding forever and SOROS the main target should be sent to Russia where he will face the charges there and never be allowed to come back to this country ever again.
What they have done to this country is disgusting.
What ever grates me is how dumb the Dem voters are.
Blacks have got no where under a Dem party
we need to figure out what to do with illegals.
homosexuals should be told tom sort their lives out.
Schools should now be told to get a grip and start teaching kids on education not brainwashing.
SEIU investigated into their actions with this president and I want to see obama’s records revealed, even hsi schools records I bet showing F’s should be revealed.
No more nicey nice, this is our country and they should be working for us not forcing their radical view onto us or our kids.
Cuts in many programmes like the NEA should be cut, no more pork for them and everyone who is on office Dem or GOP should be held to a higher standard
But it is possible to repeal something that has not yet been rolled out such as healthcare which does not really go into affect for years. The taxes go into effect now but the program itself doesn’t and therefore it is ripe for repeal. But before that happens it should be fought in the courts over constitutional grounds and authority.
I would rather not risk it. I would rather we defeat it now.
>The worst thing is that personally I don’t have a quick solution to all this.
>All I can think of is next year’s elections.
Have you ever thought that maybe, like a magician focusing your attention on the other hand, that this is what they want you to be thinking about?
It seems to me that zer0 is purposely insulting the American people and our closest allies to weaken the USA abroad and cause civil strife at home.
What else could it be?
They know we aren’t stupid. They also know there isn’t anything we can do about it.
Nobody hates illegals more than the good honest people of all nationalities that are legal immigrants. I worked with some a few years ago and asked about the process. It is quite extensive but they all felt it worth it.
Of course the illegals can pass background checks. When you use a fake social security number it’s easy to pass one.
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