BruceS
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Posted on 12/24/2009 2:32:49 PM PST by BruceS
apology to native peoples of the united states
Sec. 8113. (a) Acknowledgment and Apology- The United States, acting through Congress--
(1) recognizes the special legal and political relationship Indian tribes have with the United States and the solemn covenant with the land we share;
(2) commends and honors Native Peoples for the thousands of years that they have stewarded and protected this land;
(3) recognizes that there have been years of official depredations, ill-conceived policies, and the breaking of covenants by the Federal Government regarding Indian tribes;
(4) apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all Native Peoples for the many instances of violence, maltreatment, and neglect inflicted on Native Peoples by citizens of the United States;
(5) expresses its regret for the ramifications of former wrongs and its commitment to build on the positive relationships of the past and present to move toward a brighter future where all the people of this land live reconciled as brothers and sisters, and harmoniously steward and protect this land together;
(6) urges the President to acknowledge the wrongs of the United States against Indian tribes in the history of the United States in order to bring healing to this land; and
(7) commends the State governments that have begun reconciliation efforts with recognized Indian tribes located in their boundaries and encourages all State governments similarly to work toward reconciling relationships with Indian tribes within their boundaries.
(b) Disclaimer- Nothing in this section--
(1) authorizes or supports any claim against the United States; or
(2) serves as a settlement of any claim against the United States.
It means that some people just did not read the whole bill!
Should have been its own separate bill.
This “bundling” by Congress is atrocious and should be stopped. How, I don’t know. I do know they will not do it of their own accord.
softening us up for the figure-4 leg-lock: reparations
who's sorry for what? how about the current gub'mint apologize for stealing my friggin' money, trashing our way of life, destroying our culture and creating generation of useless beggars?
Just one American's opinion... that happens to be AI
I was born in El Paso, Texas...and that makes me as ‘native’ as anyone else walking on this continent. Speaking for myself, I believe that the United States government speaks with forked tongue.
The disclaimer is hilarious.
Reparations!
This is just a fore taste.
We have had reparations already. Clinton to Japanese Americans, 1990(?) I believe.
How many more times am I going to be required to apologize for things I didn’t do?
This is cool. So I guess it means the English/Scotch part of my family is apologizing to the Cherokee and Comanche parts.
Carlos Mencia said it best when he stated, Should’ve fought smarter”.
Well, actually, Clintoon was elected in 1992.
Maybe ‘92. I don’t remember the exact date. I remember Clinton was making proclamations about it.
Yes, he did. And, there was also talk about an apology to the Blacks and the Native Americans with reparations.
Precisely. When half of my family arrived, the other half was here to meet them. I guess this is the equivalent of having you apologize to you sister when you punched her in the nose.
This govt. has zero credibility, especially with native americans. Yeah, I’m sure they’re really gonna buy into this latest line of govt. BS; reparations or no reparations. Just ask the Sioux Nation, what’s left of it.
“We did not ask you white men to come here. The Great Spirit gave us this country as a home. You had yours...we did not interfere with you....we do not want your civilization...” Crazy Horse, Lakota Tribe
That why I said a fore taste. I don’t think it will stop there either.
Add 3rd world countries to the list of reparations too.
And probably 10-20 more deserving groups I’m missing.
BruceS
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I want reparations (casino interest will do) for all the paleface scalps they took.
“(6) urges the President to acknowledge the wrongs of the United States against Indian tribes in the history of the United States in order to bring healing to this land; and”
Sorry....the best way to do that would be to stop this nonsense....treat everyone as AMERICANS, equally! No more ‘nation within a nation’ nonsense. The people who were persecuted are all DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! The persecutors are dead....it is HISTORY.
How long do we, the innocent, continue to pay for crimes committed generations ago???? Evidently a while longer!
” who’s sorry for what? how about the current gub’mint apologize for stealing my friggin’ money, trashing our way of life, destroying our culture and creating generation of useless beggars?
Just one American’s opinion... that happens to be AI “
Agreed!!! From another AI. We ARE the current indigenous tribe!
Well, a little bit too late. The Indian nations suffered what has often happened to other peoples, they were conquered, and badly treated by the conquerors. Indeed, it can be said that they were worst treated than the African slaves. Still, that was a long time and those who suffered injustice are long since dead, they and even their grandchildren. No apology by Congress can raise the dead.
For as long as politicians can use it as a way to buy votes, and minorities can use it as a way to buy favors.
“For as long as politicians can use it as a way to buy votes, and minorities can use it as a way to buy favors.”
You are so right. The exact thing that started the mess in the first place.
Following your logic, do I get reparations from the English owing to the Potato Famine? Let it go and be at peace.
The reason they “stewarded” the land (this was written by an illiterate), is that they did not have a material culture or the tools to do anything else. They simply did not have, nor were they in the process of developing, the ability to manipulate their surroundings to any significant extent. The natives, especially in North America, were living their short and brutish lives in a late Stone Age culture, using their women as pack animals and fighting and killing off each other on every occasion. They hunted numerous species to extinction long before Europeans arrived. The language in that bill is a joke, and it sounds like it was written by a committee of 8th graders.
Correct.
Is there anybody who sees any value whatsoever in paying a native people not to assimilate?
I am part “Indian” myself, probably most Americans are.
Keepers of the land?! Have any of you been to SE Alaska and seen the huge clearcuts up here? A large portion of these logged areas are “Native” lands, and you know what? more power to them, then can log it or conserve it whatever they want to do. The point is, they don’t really give a d@amn about the land.
Europeans were a stronger race of people, with more advanced weaponry, and superior numbers. It was a war for dominance, what don’t people understand about that?
I am tired of the Federal Government continuing to help “Natives” feel sorry for themselves. Get a life!
Unless it refers to all people born here, there’s no other legitimate definition of “native people.” Indians migrated here just like everyone else, and DNA proves it. They can take the “native American” appellation and stuff it.
I believe there are far more Navajo and related tribes than there ever were. They were quick to adapt to the more modern farming and ranching and it paid off for them in a big way.
**Now we are sorry for all the bad things we have done to the American Indians.***
Should we apologize to the smaller tribes (Otoe, Mandan, Poncas) who sided with the US for protection against the large bullying tribes around them?
Should we apologize to the Sioux and Cheyenne for geting in the way of their destructive wars against the friendly Crow and Pawnee tribes?
Should we apologize to the Zunis for thrashing their enemies the Comanches and Apaches thus allowing the pueblo tribes to live without fear of the plains raiders?
Should we appologize to the Apaches and Comanches for getting in the way of them slaughtering each other when not slaughtering the Zunis?
What a can of worms!
So what you’re saying is, that you can held accountable for the actions of your ancestors?
Okay - well, the Natives killed lots of innocent people. Some tribes took pride in killing innocent people. Some tribes would scalp and butcher people who couldn’t defend themselves.
So I guess the Natives need to do some apologizing of their own.
There are fewer Natives in the US than there are white people - which means the Natives living today are much more accountable than whites living today.
(Oh, well there were innocent peaceful tribes....)
There were innocent peaceful whites too. But you’re holding them all accountable.
And btw - my father’s side of the family came to the US in the 1930s.
So remember the lesson: judging people by race and ethnicity is only okay if the people you’re judging are white.
Why don’t you take your smug little racist ideas and shove them where the sun doesn’t shine?
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It makes the indians sound like glorified forest rangers.
***I believe there are far more Navajo and related tribes than there ever were.***
Back at the time of the “long Walk” which was more of a long stroll when compared to the “Trail of Tears”, there were probbly no more than about twenty thousand Navajos in the world. Today there are over two hubdred and fifty thousand or more.
And the government will probably have to apologize to the next generation, and next, and next, and so on.
I wonder how many of them could ever go back and live as their pre-colombian ancestors did.
Yes,
And the stupid crazy horse thing about it is that the Navajo have been “Keepers of the land” and recently have gone separate ways from the environmental movement (why? because they want to mine their own coal...ha! what a joke!)
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/09/coal_conflict_hopi_navajo_trib.html (Coal conflict: Hopi, Navajo tribes say environmentalists not welcome on reservations)
Basically what I read is the Indians are perceived by the disillusioned greenie do-gooder libs as being environmentally friendly. And now we see the indians kicking the environmentalists off their “Sacred Mother Earth Happy Hunting Grounds” so they can mine coal!
Well, of course the indians warred among themselves. But Europeans were so much better at it than they were. A lesson for your liberal friends: in this world.the strong eat the weak. They should rent the Time Machine, the good one with Rod Taylor.
The racist crypto-Nazi, Bruce “Seig Heil!” Babbitt, secretary of interior under clinton, did everything possible to rip off the Indian’s trust fund.
Is that mentioned in this “apology?”
Thought not. I want to be at the hanging when the Indians get around to hanging that SOB. Bet they’ll bring honey and ants.
They are helping themselves very nicely now.
CASINOS !!!
The question is not whether they can, but whether they want to. Indoor plumbing and climate control is a heck of a lot more comfy than a smoky uninsulated tepee.
It seems to me that if the first American peoples weren't so impressed by the newer settlers from Europe, they wouldn't have been so quick to get themselves married into European style families. Really--isn't it fairly common to have an ancestor from some tribe or another?
Offering apologies for things that happened a century or more ago, over which no living person has any control, is ridiculous. If one wants to keep fanning the flames of racial hatred, though, it's a pretty good strategy.
A question for you fish hawk.
Do you use traditional native harvesting methods when you go back to harvest your salmon? Or do you use modern methods...just asking.
I grew up seeing first hand western washington tribes netting the rivers and watching gill nets (poly nets btw) literally sinking to the bottom because some lazy net owner wouldn’t take the time to tend his net strung accross the river.
I lived among the Yupik Eskimoe in Western Alaska, watching them hunt caribou and moose from snowmobiles until there were none left accessible by machine.
I live here in S.E. Alaska now and watch a tribe of Indians from Canada fish their “own” island, compliments of the Fed government (they weren’t even Alaskan indians, go figure) with modern diesel boats and poly nets, stopping only when told to do so....do I need to go on about how I have no respect for Indians and their “traditional” harvesting methods?
Maybe you are an exception, if so I respect you for it.
***Really—isn’t it fairly common to have an ancestor from some tribe or another?***
True, expecially in this part of the USA. My wife’s cousin is part Cherokee married to a full blood, her friends in Tulsa are Choctaw/Semimole. and my distant coulsin in NM was married to a full blood Navajo.
Obama’s law professor, Charles Ogletree is one of the legal fathers of reparations for blacks. I think Holder also studied under a reparationist. He is as anti-white as any public official has ever been, plus he is pro-terrorist re the Clinton pardons of Weathermen and FALN bombers and supporters.
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