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Murder Down, Gun Sales Up
PR Newswire ^ | 12/21/09 | unk

Posted on 12/25/2009 6:50:18 PM PST by Past Your Eyes

BELLEVUE, Wash., Dec. 21 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- A ten percent drop in murders during the first six months of this year at a time when gun sales were up dramatically is more proof that there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, the Second Amendment Foundation said today.

The FBI released data Monday that shows murders dropped by 10 percent from the same period in 2008. Meanwhile, according to data released by the FBI's National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) shows that during the first six months of this year, gun sales were up. January 2009 background checks rose 28.8 percent over the same month in 2008, February's NICS checks were up 23.3 percent and in March they were up 29.9 percent over March 2008. The trend continued in April, with NICS checks up 30.3 percent, while May showed a slowdown, up only 15.5 percent, and in June they were up 18.1 percent.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bhobanglist; crime; crimerate; gun; murder; trends
And we have our new president to thank since his election did so much for to boost sales.
1 posted on 12/25/2009 6:50:21 PM PST by Past Your Eyes
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To: Past Your Eyes

Credit where credit is due.


2 posted on 12/25/2009 6:53:42 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Past Your Eyes
proof that there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime, the Second Amendment Foundation said today.

May I suggest that the possibility of a negative correlation presents itself here...?

3 posted on 12/25/2009 7:01:36 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: All

4 posted on 12/25/2009 7:05:03 PM PST by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: jiggyboy

Yes! The more honest people who have guns, the less violent crime there will be.


5 posted on 12/25/2009 7:07:37 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: BushMeister

what the sam hill is THIS about?


6 posted on 12/25/2009 7:08:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: jiggyboy

Thank you! I had already copied that line to my clipboard to make the same observation you have. You can bet it the numbers had gone the other way there would be no scarcity of liberals proclaiming a correlation of the first magnitude.

I have long favored making the crime the use of a firearm in an inappropriate manner, not the mere possession of the firearm. Properly used and stored they can be the difference between life and death in those instances where seconds count and the police are but minutes away.

Weapons laws, like most laws, have become way too complicated over the years and also like most laws end up doing little more than making life harder on the law abiding citizen. After all, they are the ones who take laws seriously, not the ones who have no intention of obeying laws that they don’t like or feel they can get away with breaking.

My dad’s solution was to give ‘em all a gun. His reasoning was that before long they would kill each other off. I don’t think his approach would work today, but it still has a certain ring to it that I like!


7 posted on 12/25/2009 7:10:18 PM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: Past Your Eyes

How? Guns kill people...more guns = more deaths. Ma Brady says so!


8 posted on 12/25/2009 7:13:58 PM PST by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: Past Your Eyes

My daughter asked (for her 26th birthday present) that she and I together get concealed carry permits. I pay for the class and permit as her gift. Said it would be good father/daughter bonding experience.

Gotta love that girl.


9 posted on 12/25/2009 7:21:44 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s
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To: ChildOfThe60s

aw shoot.....


10 posted on 12/25/2009 7:30:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
My daughter asked (for her 26th birthday present) that she and I together get concealed carry permits. I pay for the class and permit as her gift. Said it would be good father/daughter bonding experience.

Gotta love that girl.

Wiping a tear of hope from my eye. I hope my girls are as wise.

11 posted on 12/25/2009 7:31:37 PM PST by Engineer_Soldier (My oath is to the Constitution, not to the state or the President. http://oathkeeepers.org/oath/)
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To: jiggyboy
By the same token, it could be said that disarming the innocent, doesn't protect the innocent.

Therefore, clearly the gun grabber crowd doesn't really care about protecting the innocent if all it will do is put them in more danger.

12 posted on 12/25/2009 8:22:32 PM PST by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Gun salesman of the year giving his best seasonal sales pitch.


13 posted on 12/25/2009 8:53:46 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: ChildOfThe60s

awesome! Kill some paper for me! er, ah...never shoot to kill...shoot to stop the threat.

Stop that paper from threatening for me!


14 posted on 12/25/2009 8:56:45 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Past Your Eyes

Dear Mr. Putative President and Wookie Prymate:
If that 9mm Hi-point carbine with the new stock goes on sale tomorrow, I’m there dude!
Thanks, td


15 posted on 12/25/2009 9:55:25 PM PST by tumblindice (Bill Clinton, `92-2000 "Is it noon already?" B. Soetero, 12-25-`09 "Man, is it noon already?")
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To: tumblindice

I found that my daughter doesn’t like how the semi-auto shells shoot out the side. (one actually went down wife’s and daughter’s tops after bouncing off the lane divider ouch). So we want to get her a revolver.


16 posted on 12/25/2009 10:01:45 PM PST by bicyclerepair (Ft. Lauderdale, Florida)
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To: bicyclerepair

Other than the hot brass (yeah, ouch!) it has an aluminum receiver, right, is it reliable? Cycle OK? I’ve got a lot 9 mm squirreled away.


17 posted on 12/25/2009 10:07:40 PM PST by tumblindice (Bill Clinton, `92-2000 "Is it noon already?" B. Soetero, 12-25-`09 "Man, is it noon already?")
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To: tumblindice

PS FYI I got my daughter a Rossi SS 357, 6” barrel. She started out w/ light .38 handloads & is a pretty fair shot now. Nice price, good learner.


18 posted on 12/25/2009 10:10:39 PM PST by tumblindice (Bill Clinton, `92-2000 "Is it noon already?" B. Soetero, 12-25-`09 "Man, is it noon already?")
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To: Past Your Eyes

“...is more proof that there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime...”

While it may not constitute proof in the rigidly scientific sense of the term, it certainly suggests that there IS a correlation - i.e., firearms in the hands of MORE of the law-abiding leads to LESS activity on the part of criminals.


19 posted on 12/26/2009 2:13:07 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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“... is more proof that there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime.”
I heartily disagree. More guns = less crime. A society’s best friend, including law enforcement, are armed, honest citizens.


20 posted on 12/26/2009 4:15:17 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: bicyclerepair

A revolver is a better weapon unless one practices religiously with the semi-auto.


21 posted on 12/26/2009 4:18:15 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Jack Hammer

True.

But if we apply CRU standards, it’s practically word from God.


22 posted on 12/26/2009 5:27:54 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s
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To: Past Your Eyes
A ten percent drop in murders during the first six months of this year at a time when gun sales were up dramatically is more proof that there is no correlation between gun ownership and violent crime

Well, at least not a positive correlation, anyway.

23 posted on 12/26/2009 8:09:48 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Nah, if you apply CRU standards, the NICS numbers are erroneous and must be adjusted downwards to show DECREASING numbers of gun purchases. After all, less crime could only be due to less guns. See there, we proved the things we accepted at the beginning as givens.


24 posted on 12/26/2009 8:15:01 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: tumblindice
If that 9mm Hi-point carbine with the new stock goes on sale tomorrow, I’m there dude!

I just got one from an online gun dealer.

It looks GREAT.

25 posted on 12/26/2009 8:22:44 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
A revolver is a better weapon unless one practices religiously with the semi-auto.

Exactly what my daughter the ex-cop cays. So she owns a Kahr and I own a S&W Airlite. Cause I follow her advice regarding guns.

26 posted on 12/26/2009 3:48:55 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s
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