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Catholic Group Supports Senate on Abortion Aid
NYTimes ^ | December 25th 2009

Posted on 12/25/2009 8:08:03 PM PST by Steelfish

Catholic Group Supports Senate on Abortion Aid

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK December 25, 2009 WASHINGTON — In an apparent split with Roman Catholic bishops over the abortion-financing provisions of the proposed health care overhaul, the nation’s Catholic hospitals have signaled that they back the Senate’s compromise on the issue, raising hopes of breaking an impasse in Congress and stirring controversy within the church.

The Senate bill, approved Thursday morning, allows any state to bar the use of federal subsidies for insurance plans that cover abortion and requires insurers in other states to divide subsidy money into separate accounts so that only dollars from private premiums would be used to pay for abortions.

Just days before the bill passed, the Catholic Health Association, which represents hundreds of Catholic hospitals across the country, said in a statement that it was “encouraged” and “increasingly confident” that such a compromise “can achieve the objective of no federal funding for abortion.” An umbrella group for nuns followed its lead.

The same day, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops called the proposed compromise “morally unacceptable.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoabortion; bhohealthcare; catholichealth; catholichospitals; taxpayerfunding

1 posted on 12/25/2009 8:08:04 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

IMO, pure BS.


2 posted on 12/25/2009 8:08:42 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Hope you are right!


3 posted on 12/25/2009 8:11:07 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

The Pope is not going to be too happy about this...


4 posted on 12/25/2009 8:11:59 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Steelfish

Are insurers really going to be that transparent about abortion payouts vs. premiums?


5 posted on 12/25/2009 8:15:04 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: Steelfish
As they administrators are most likely graduates of fine outstanding catholic schools like Notre Dame and Georgetown, should we be surprised?
6 posted on 12/25/2009 8:19:39 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: Steelfish

I think I’ll suspend judgment on this one. The Times is rather vague about who spoke and what they said. And frankly, the Times simply lies when it’s convenient.

In other words, I don’t believe this story, without seeing a fuller version from a more trustworthy source.


7 posted on 12/25/2009 8:22:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Also with all the wheeling and dealing that is going on in secret here, any and all “compromises” can be backed out and nobody will be the wiser until Bummer has signed the piece of feces.


8 posted on 12/25/2009 8:34:29 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: Cicero

I’m with you. This is too vague to come to any conclusions yet.


9 posted on 12/25/2009 8:45:37 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Steelfish

Liberal Catholics.....


10 posted on 12/25/2009 8:49:06 PM PST by cranked
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Disinformation. The hospitals repeat that they oppose the use of federal funds to support abortion. If the Times were an honest newspaper instead of an agenda driven rag, that would be the headline/lead paragraph.


11 posted on 12/25/2009 8:50:35 PM PST by Godwin1
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To: Steelfish
CHAUSA Comment Regarding Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2009

"Especially now that a public health insurance option is no longer on the table, we are increasingly confident that Senator Casey's language can achieve the objective of no federal funding for abortion. We urge Congress to continue its work toward the goal of health reform that protects life at all stages while expanding coverage to the greatest possible number of people in our country.

12 posted on 12/25/2009 9:05:25 PM PST by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: Steelfish
Kinda like the ELCA supporting the ordination of active gay and lesbian clergy I would say.
13 posted on 12/25/2009 9:19:14 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Steelfish


14 posted on 12/25/2009 10:00:35 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: cranked

They are not Catholics or Christians but apostates.


15 posted on 12/25/2009 10:08:54 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Steelfish

Shouldn’t that be “Catholic In Name Only” Group?

No REAL Catholic group could ever support a bill that condones abortion.


16 posted on 12/25/2009 10:19:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Lumping abortion coverage in with the other nine yards is evil even if they do agree to separate the money. Uncle Sam should not have his hands in abortion coverage at all.

But again the whole plan is evil. Nobody even knows if the “operation” is going to be successful. What ever happened to “keep your laws off my body,” my dear liberals?


17 posted on 12/25/2009 10:26:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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To: Steelfish

What’s the name of this church? St. CINO’s???


18 posted on 12/25/2009 10:41:27 PM PST by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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To: Godwin1

Exactly.
wtf?
The title of the article contradicts the contents.
Our local Catholic hospital has said in no uncertain terms that it will in no way yield to performing abortions.

The caveat in all this of course, is the power that the future secretary of Health and Human services will have in defining “qualified health plans” and the ability to accredit hospitals or deny accredidtaion based on adherence to the rules outlined.

The “compromise” / “working with” statements simply mean that they are waiting and listening and probably engaed in some talks as to how they might be able to stay accredited if they decide to draw a firm line against abortion.

We must pray for our nation and our children, born and unborn.
I do not think the Catholic Hospitals will waiver on this issue. If accredidation becomes tenuous, then more lawsuits on this assinine bill will follow.


19 posted on 12/25/2009 11:39:35 PM PST by schwingdoc
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They are fracking fools.

As are the Bishops for falling into the socialist trap of supporting this bill if....

They are out of their league when it comes to playing in the hard core and evil world of politics.

The Bishops have made it acceptable for Catholics to support this bill, in error.


20 posted on 12/26/2009 12:26:31 AM PST by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: rbmillerjr
The "Catholic organization" is just another leftist from.

The Vatican clearly opposes abortion and the Bishops promised Obama that they would close the thousands of Catholic hospitals around the country if they were forced to perform abortions.

This is another example of why the Pope is so necessary in having the final say to the almost 250,000 Catholic churches in the world.

These fly by night organizations are not ordained or sanctioned by the Pope or the Bishops.

Atheist Soros Funds Catholic Groups AIM COLUMN | BY CLIFF KINCAID | NOVEMBER 12, 2009 http://www.aim.org/aim-column/atheist-soros-funds-catholic-groups/

21 posted on 12/26/2009 1:37:54 AM PST by mgist
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To: Steelfish
The same day, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops called the proposed compromise “morally unacceptable.”

Murder of the unborn is NEVER morally acceptable. There can be no compromise or other mealy mouthed talk around and about the subject, IMO. Compromise is a word used by Democrats to get you to help them to get their way sooner or later.

22 posted on 12/26/2009 4:01:48 AM PST by olezip
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To: olezip
Catholic hospitals have become more and more like any other hospital. So if there is a choice, we might as well go to the secular hospital. You can still have your priest visit there.

By coming out early for the Senate’s version of this atrocious bill (it’s not a health reform bill), they probably cemented the right to use federal funds for abortion.

23 posted on 12/27/2009 5:28:00 AM PST by FR_addict
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