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Obama eligibility - naive law student gets an 'F' as attorney rips her a new one
renewanmerica.com ^ | 12/24/09 | Philip J. Berg

Posted on 12/26/2009 6:59:53 AM PST by westcoastwillieg

Attorney Philip J. Berg defends Obama birth certificate lawsuits

Editor's note: Philip J. Berg, former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania and an activist attorney who brought a lawsuit challenging the eligibility of Barack Obama to become president of the United States, has written the following reply to Jamie Freeze's Dec. 22 RenewAmerica article "Facts are stubborn things: Obama is a natural-born citizen."

Jamie Freeze, a law student, has called any of us who question Soetoro/Obama's citizenship status and constitutional eligibility to serve as U.S. President --- a constitutional right of ours, of course --- incompetent idiots. Ms. Freeze, however, may want to continue her education. Part of being a lawyer, a very important part, is being able to comprehend what you read and to cite the correct law to collaborate it, something Ms. Freeze has clearly failed to do.

I will respond below to Ms. Freeze's allegations. My responses are in bold. I also want to make very clear to all readers that none of the eligibility cases have been heard, litigated, or dismissed based on the law pertaining to any of the issues raised. Instead, the eligibility cases have been dismissed on the basis of "STANDING" only.

(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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Why would Obama spend over 1.5 million dollars litigating these cases instead of just proving his citizenship status?
1 posted on 12/26/2009 6:59:54 AM PST by westcoastwillieg
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To: westcoastwillieg

There is something very embarrassing in his records. His school records as well! 0 is the potus MOST ashamed of his entire past until Michelle and Chicago, even then he is forced to distance from his church of 17 years.


2 posted on 12/26/2009 7:04:22 AM PST by omega4179 (Marco2010)
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To: hennie pennie

*bookmark*


3 posted on 12/26/2009 7:04:51 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: LucyT

Boxing Day Ping!


4 posted on 12/26/2009 7:05:15 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: westcoastwillieg

Very nice response from Mr. Berg. I support his efforts. One thing I will say: I have not seen hard evidence proving that Obama has spend over a million dollars blocking the release of this long-form birth certificate (I see the claim frequently). I would love to see a solid citation on that, but so far I haven’t found it.


5 posted on 12/26/2009 7:06:52 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: westcoastwillieg

I am a birther.


6 posted on 12/26/2009 7:07:18 AM PST by y6162 (uish..)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I am sure all these attorneys representing Obama are doing it for FREE, yeah right


7 posted on 12/26/2009 7:13:00 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: ClearCase_guy

Hard evidence on defense costs. Same thought here too.


8 posted on 12/26/2009 7:13:05 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: ClearCase_guy
I don't use that argument either because it's not proved.
9 posted on 12/26/2009 7:13:09 AM PST by MaxMax (Obamao can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If I remember correctly, that dollar amount was calculated by using what the named lawyers charged per hour and it was a “guesstimate”.


10 posted on 12/26/2009 7:14:47 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: eyeamok
I am sure all these attorneys representing Obama are doing it for FREE, yeah right

The question is where do birthers get the figure of $1.5M? Is someone keeping a tally?

11 posted on 12/26/2009 7:15:17 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: ClearCase_guy

Obama law tab up to $1.4 million

‘Grass-roots army’ contributions being used to crush eligibility lawsuits?

August 10, 2009
8:42 pm Eastern

By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

President Obama may be using his political action committee funds to stomp out eligibility lawsuits brought by Americans, as he has paid more than $1.35 million to his top lawyer since the election.

Obama for America, Obama’s 2008 political campaign, merged with the Democratic National Committee in January and is now known as Organizing for America. The grass-roots army that some refer to as “Obama 2.0” is still collecting financial contributions.

Federal Election Commission records for “Obama for America” show that the lobby organization has paid international law firm Perkins Coie exactly $1,352,378.95 since the 2008 election.

FEC records show the following payments made to the law firm from Oct. 16, 2008, to June 30, 2009:

FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009)

FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 July quarterly report (covers April 1, 2009, to June 30, 2009)

FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009)

FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2009 April quarterly report (covers Jan. 1, 2009, to March 31, 2009)

FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 year-end report (covers Nov. 25, 2008, to Dec. 31, 2008)

FEC record for payment to Perkins Coie, 2008 post-general election report (covers Oct 16, 2008, to Nov. 24, 2008)
The FEC shows Obama’s campaign has made regular payments to Perkins Coie since Jan. 1, 2007 – the month he formed a presidential exploratory committee and only weeks before he formally announced his candidacy for president.

In total, Obama has paid Perkins Coie, a single law firm, $2.3 million since he announced his campaign for presidency. By contrast, a cumulative total of all of Sen. John McCain’s legal consulting fees from Jan. 1, 2007, to June 30, 2009, amounts to $1.46 million.

As WND reported, Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama’s presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama’s Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer defending President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.

WND also reported that Bauer sent a letter to plaintiff Gregory Hollister, a retired Air Force colonel, of Hollister v. Soetoro, threatening sanctions if he doesn’t withdraw his appeal of the eligibility case that earlier was tossed by a district judge because the issue already had been “twittered.”

(Story continues below)

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=106138


12 posted on 12/26/2009 7:15:22 AM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: y6162

I’m from MO on this issue.


13 posted on 12/26/2009 7:17:07 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If you have had any experience at all in civil litigation, you can almost do the math in your head.

You can drop $200,000 in one relatively simple case before you know it.

These cases are not simple, require multiple law firms in those cases that cross state lines, etc.


14 posted on 12/26/2009 7:19:08 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: bmwcyle

Goes to show the quality of law students nowadays.


15 posted on 12/26/2009 7:19:49 AM PST by elk
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To: omega4179

There is a simple solution to this. Win the House back and open a congressional investigation. Subpoena the dept of health in Hawaii for his long form, likewise the admission records for all of his colleges and the Dept of State for his passport records.


16 posted on 12/26/2009 7:20:29 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: westcoastwillieg

“as a law student, I hope her professors teach her how to properly, honestly, and with integrity investigate, research the laws, properly cite the laws, and argue issues before her”

Exactly. This little girl thinks that her love of Obama makes her desire for this issue to not exist.


17 posted on 12/26/2009 7:20:56 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

If he had nothing to hide, he wouldn’t have needed to use one minute of attorney time at any cost.


18 posted on 12/26/2009 7:21:08 AM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: cycle of discernment

ping


19 posted on 12/26/2009 7:21:17 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: MaxMax

IMPORTANT:

See post 12 and also NOTE that Robert Bauer, the chief Perkins Cole atty for Obama in fighting the release of his records is former WH communications director Anita Dunn’s husband. ( she of the ‘Mao affection as her fave political philosopher’, as exposed by Glenn Beck).

Bauer has just recently been appointed White House Counsel.

They all know they are neck deep in fraud and will do —ANYTHING— to protect their hides at this point. Otherwise they could very likely be behind bars.

It has gone too far.


20 posted on 12/26/2009 7:22:16 AM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: eyeamok
I am sure all these attorneys representing Obama are doing it for FREE, yeah right

If they're a bunch of highly partisan Democrats, then they're absolutely handling this as a pro-bono matter (to be paid off in political favors, Chrysler dealerships, etc., at some point in the future). There may be no hard evidence of legal fees due, but there's most assuredly a debt accumulating. These lawfirms may be absorbing the cost - for now - but Obama probably hopes to eventually pay them out of our pockets, not his.

If his numbers look bad as the 2012 election approaches, all sorts of interesting things could come of this.

21 posted on 12/26/2009 7:24:09 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: cycle of discernment

if and when the truth comes out, wouldn’t these attorneys also be guilty of Conspiracy to Defraud??


22 posted on 12/26/2009 7:28:20 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: westcoastwillieg

What’s amazing is how people like this Freeze woman can write this dribble with absolutely no proof.


23 posted on 12/26/2009 7:29:07 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I believe he isnt eligible. I havent seen his legal bills, but I have seen documentation of several law suits, which I am sure, he is paying a ton of money to these lawyers. I dont think the million plus price tag is an off the wall price. Have you used the services of an attorney lately?

The man is hiding many, many documents..from school records to passports. Why?

There is something he doesnt want people to see..and the more he continues with the hiding of these things, the more people what to know what these records contain.

If he had a “real” birth certificate (I, personally can produce two for myself, one from the state, one from the hospital), why wouldnt he put it out there, to shut everyone up?


24 posted on 12/26/2009 7:31:28 AM PST by New Yawk Minute
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To: westcoastwillieg
Some interesting stuff regarding Ms. Freeze...

Click to enlarge

Jamie Freeze

Jamie Freeze received battlefield experience in the war of ideology while attending the University of North Carolina at Greensboro (aka UNC-Gomorrah). While earning a bachelor's degree in political science and history, she served as Vice President of the College Republicans and was the lone conservative opinion columnist for The Carolinian, UNCG's student newspaper. After surviving college without becoming a liberal, she graduated in 2009 and is currently working toward a law degree at Regent University. You can contact Jamie at j.l.freeze@juno.com.

She also wrote....

"I don't understand how a Christian can be a Republican"


25 posted on 12/26/2009 7:31:42 AM PST by raybbr (If you try to kiss your son on the head while he's running you WILL get a fat lip.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The source is the records of his campaign filed with the Federal government on a quartly basis. Look it up if you so desire, but it is not a disputed fact.


26 posted on 12/26/2009 7:31:57 AM PST by stockpirate (Dec. 24, 2009, the day liberty in America died to applause in the US Senate)
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To: westcoastwillieg
I too don't deal well with incompetent people. As a matter of fact, I go out of my way to avoid them, but when dealing with them is inevitable, I can't help but point out their incompetencies. As a law student, I am being trained to be meticulous, well-reasoned, and intelligent. After my final exam grades come back, we'll see how well I'm doing. But that aside, I feel that I have been too longsuffering in letting the Birther Movement receive simply a few caustic remarks and jabs from me

She writes like a high school kid.

27 posted on 12/26/2009 7:33:05 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

At this point it is really hard to get a true figure as O is using government lawyers at the DOJ.


28 posted on 12/26/2009 7:33:25 AM PST by stockpirate (Dec. 24, 2009, the day liberty in America died to applause in the US Senate)
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To: LucyT; null and void

Ping and Merry Christmas


29 posted on 12/26/2009 7:34:08 AM PST by stockpirate (Dec. 24, 2009, the day liberty in America died to applause in the US Senate)
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To: eyeamok
I am sure all these attorneys representing Obama are doing it for FREE, yeah right

Nope. Since last January 20th, all those lawyers representing Obama have been paid staff of the U.S. Attorney's office.

30 posted on 12/26/2009 7:34:26 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: westcoastwillieg

I have no problem with Mr. Berg’s assertions other than the one where he criticizes the ignorant law student for throwing out BS case law not relevant to the case at hand. Lawyers always obfuscate and attempt to confuse. It’s the old “If you can’t argue the law, baffle them with bull$hit” theory. They all do it most of the time.


31 posted on 12/26/2009 7:34:51 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: elk

Yep - many STUPID lawsuits will come from this little girl. Her language alone is not of high legal quality. Her research is seriously lacking.


32 posted on 12/26/2009 7:35:08 AM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: Charles Martel
If they're a bunch of highly partisan Democrats, then they're absolutely handling this as a pro-bono matter (to be paid off in political favors, Chrysler dealerships, etc., at some point in the future)

That doesn't negate the value of their work. It would still be worth over a million dollars. Probably more since they are all likely shysters.

33 posted on 12/26/2009 7:36:35 AM PST by raybbr (If you try to kiss your son on the head while he's running you WILL get a fat lip.)
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To: cycle of discernment
President Obama may be using his political action committee funds to stomp out eligibility lawsuits brought by Americans, as he has paid more than $1.35 million to his top lawyer since the election.

Has fighting all these birther cases been the only legal work that Perkins Coie has done for Obama? Or are there other legal issues mixed in there?

34 posted on 12/26/2009 7:38:00 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

Philip Berg ping


35 posted on 12/26/2009 7:40:41 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: westcoastwillieg

Obama may or may not satisfy the letter of the natural born requirement, but even an incompetent boob with a smidgen of a sense of our Founding Fathers’ mindset can see he does not satisfy the spirit of it.

The opposition, dominated by lawyers, wants to bind us in legalisms. If We the People will cling to the Founders’ wisdom—which forever trumps the perverted decrees of the left—we can detach safely from these imposters, try them for treason and hopefully see them put to death—quite rightly, before GOD and man—and not become lawless in the process*.

There is nothing more law-abiding than honoring our Founders’ vision!

*It is the left who have, in essence, become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.


36 posted on 12/26/2009 7:41:14 AM PST by avenir
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To: westcoastwillieg

I was inclined to respond in a similar manner, Mr. Berg, but was unable to provide as thorough and learned a commentary as yours.


37 posted on 12/26/2009 7:41:54 AM PST by reasonisfaith (When liberal ideology is put into practice it accomplishes, universally, the opposite of its claims.)
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To: omega4179
There is something very embarrassing in his records.

That is exactly the reason to pursue the birth certificate issue, it researches and reveals other things.

I don't believe Barack Obama is the main problem though, it is rather a backing of a far more sinister nature that has fronted him:

as a black man, thus relying on some kind of pent-up guilt in the naive US citizen (e.g. Oregon),

as a narcissist, who can thus be manipulated to be a celebrated front end (e.g. Brad Pitt and the Hollywood producers),

as a Harvard/Columbia jerk, with those associated ties to the Leftist philosophy,

as a fairly good looking image, thus appealing to the mind-numb American female,

and finally as someone who really isn't all that bright as declared, and thus susceptible to the egocentric manipulation mentioned above while incapable of independent thought.

"They" indeed know what they are doing to accrue power to themselves, but are just not interested in the long term dignity of the citizens whom they manipulate, a sort of modern feudalism. Accordingly Barack Obama is simply a fool, as stated frequently here on FR.

Johnny Suntrade

38 posted on 12/26/2009 7:42:00 AM PST by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"I am sure all these attorneys representing Obama are doing it for FREE, yeah right",,,

Yepper, in the same sense that Nebraskans are getting free MEDICAID increased costs !

39 posted on 12/26/2009 7:42:29 AM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo longt A)
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To: freedomfiter2

When one hides something, there’s something to hide. Pure and simple.


40 posted on 12/26/2009 7:43:49 AM PST by freebird5850 (O-Bomba is not the Messiah. Jesus was a carpenter and could build a cabinet!)
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To: All
It must be had to go thru life with a cartoon character name.
41 posted on 12/26/2009 7:44:32 AM PST by troy McClure
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To: reasonisfaith; rabscuttle385; usmcobra; nuss; Quix; wintertime; GregNH; HighlyOpinionated; ...

*ping*


42 posted on 12/26/2009 7:45:17 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: raybbr

Apparently there are many things this moron doesn’t understand, yet somehow, she has a law degree.


43 posted on 12/26/2009 7:45:26 AM PST by curth
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To: hennie pennie

Law school usually means a perosn has beter than average reasoning skills, but liberalism is a mental illness that makes people come to illogical conclusions but justify their answers.


44 posted on 12/26/2009 7:47:32 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: freebird5850

“Never trust a man that hides his history”


45 posted on 12/26/2009 7:49:12 AM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: curth

I do computer support for a bunch of lawyers. A law degree apparently does not require any common sense.


46 posted on 12/26/2009 7:49:38 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: autumnraine
You might want to go to the original article written by Ms. Freeze and check out her profile before accusing here of being a "Obama Lover"!

Sometimes even facts get ignored here on FR!

47 posted on 12/26/2009 7:52:18 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... where are you now?" signed, a little "r" republican!)
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To: elk

I was shocked by how badly she writes.


48 posted on 12/26/2009 7:52:24 AM PST by Hildy (This Christmas, the Democrats have given America the one gift that keeps on taking.)
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To: curth
Apparently there are many things this moron doesn’t understand, yet somehow, she obama has a law degree.

There, fixed it.

49 posted on 12/26/2009 7:54:04 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: westcoastwillieg

btttt


50 posted on 12/26/2009 7:55:10 AM PST by dennisw
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