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passenger: Sharp-dressed man aided terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab onto plane without pass
mlive.com ^ | 12/26/09 | Sheena Harrison

Posted on 12/26/2009 11:55:38 AM PST by American Dream 246

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To: American Dream 246

Unbelievable, IIRC we can’t cross back and forth into Mexico or Canada without a passport now, but this guy can board an international flight with none??? The airline had better fire the manager that allowed this.

As for REAL Sudanese refugees — there should be a way to handle the problem if it is real vs. suspending security procedures.


101 posted on 12/26/2009 4:23:04 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ ANTI-OBAMA STUFF : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: nuconvert

I doubt people regularly get on international flights, especially bound for he U.S. without passports.

If there is anything to this, then Northwest/Delta has a lot of ‘splaining to do.

The airlines are subject to a substantial fine if they permit someone on a plane to the US who: is not a U.S. citizen or has a “green card;” hasn’t a valid passport; and lacks either a visa from a US or is from a country where the “visa waiver” rule is in effect (whereby you don’t need a visa from a consulate to enter the US, because your “visa” is stamped onto your entry card.)

This is all very puzzling, from the standpoint of U.S. immigration law. IF the guy had had a British passport, he would have legitimately (!) gotten onto the plane.


102 posted on 12/26/2009 4:23:10 PM PST by eddiespaghetti ( (with the meatball eyes)I doubt people regularly get on international flights, especially bound for)
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To: antivenom
Yikes, look at what just got posted to the FR Threat Matrix:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2181917/replies?c=1803

The affadavit filed by the Feds claims he spent 20 minutes in the airplane bathroom.

103 posted on 12/26/2009 4:28:22 PM PST by hennie pennie
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To: mreerm
yep...newby...only been involved w/ the web for 15 or so years.

So you should know better. The two existed well before you started.

of course you’re right...the only definition of a troll is associated with fishing...never with someone who lives and makes his living from under a bridge, deviously.

Ah, yes... the wonderful "change the definitions and words" trick. I suppose we could redefine things your way--liberally...I mean, "progressively."

yep...the “it was a joke” argument is very useful to the PC crowd...it won’t surprise me to see the latest crotch-bomber claim it was just a joke ;)

Heh...cute! :-)

104 posted on 12/26/2009 4:29:12 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: American Dream 246

with a name like AbdulMutaballs I wouldn’t want a passport either....Reminds me of an old favorite song....Hot Nuts, Hot Nuts...get them everywhere I can. Hot Nuts, Hot Nuts....


105 posted on 12/26/2009 4:31:27 PM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: American Dream 246
From another thread. Sounds authoritative but may just be opinion. In any case, FYI:

"Further, security procedures in Amsterdam did not provide for re-screening passengers originating from Nigeria and air marshals are prohibited on flights originating from the Netherlands. All are things likely known by the terrorists"

106 posted on 12/26/2009 4:51:30 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: American Dream 246

“if you are young, not well dressed, obviously african/muslim, you can board any plane in the world without a passport.” So now “I was born a poor black child” equals a passport?? Maybe in crazy ass obamaland, but not the U.S.A.!


107 posted on 12/26/2009 5:56:52 PM PST by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: manc
...how many times have we been attacked and people died since bozo has took office...
13

...Now how many under Bush?...
2751

108 posted on 12/26/2009 6:53:57 PM PST by FReepaholic (If ignorance ain't bliss I don't know what is.)
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To: FReepaholic

I thought I mentioned how many times on our own soil.

do you have the figures for that please


109 posted on 12/26/2009 6:57:53 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Eleven Bravo 6 319thID
What I find interesting is that the perp apparently waited until the plane was nearly at it’s destination before doing anything to detonate the explosive. Perhaps he was not that enthusiastic about being a martyr and only got up the courage at the end of the flight.

I had heard that his goal was to detonate over the US. Most of the flight, except for the last few minutes was over Canadian airspace. I have been trying to find a track of the flight, seeing as I live in the metro Detroit area and sometimes flights track over my locale. I did find a track, I think, that looks like it entered US airspace just north of downtown Detroit, headed south along the river and Lake Erie, and then must have turned north over the Monroe area for it's final approach. Monroe does have a nuclear power plant, but I don't see how his could have been directed at that.

110 posted on 12/26/2009 7:24:51 PM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: manc

Those are the number of people killed in terrorist attacks on our soil during these two administrations, AFAIK.


111 posted on 12/26/2009 7:27:56 PM PST by FReepaholic (If ignorance ain't bliss I don't know what is.)
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To: antivenom; TigersEye

If that is a new rule on Internatuonal flights, I will strap a surplus fighter pilot’s pi$$ bottle to my leg and hook up the lad to it via tube, right in my seat.

Might come in handy too putting out fires.(sarc. off)


112 posted on 12/26/2009 7:31:11 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member NRA))
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To: FReepaholic

Thanks Manc for posing the correct question.

Now to respond to Freeppathetic

How many died post9/11 from domestic terrorism in 7 3/4 years under President Bush? ZERO! 0.

How many have died from domestic terrorism under obama in 11 months? 32 THIRTY TWO!

And thanks to nappy, holder and bama’s tilting the legal playing field to domestic islamic terrorists we almost added an entire planeload to the 32 military and civilians murdered by an islamic terrorist at Ft Hood.


113 posted on 12/26/2009 7:34:44 PM PST by kburi
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To: kburi

Had 278 more died, that would have brought the total to 2010, not including the crew.

God does still bless the US of A. There are still some good men in Sodom.


114 posted on 12/26/2009 7:36:53 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah."Our middle regiment, Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

OK. My math’s off. I’m tired and am going to be quiet. And here I was just working in Excel. Oh well.


115 posted on 12/26/2009 7:41:23 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah."Our middle regiment, Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: combat_boots

Ummm Combat boots

278 plus 32 = 310, not 2010.

But under this chicago guided mob, it may well be 2010 in 2010.


116 posted on 12/26/2009 7:43:32 PM PST by kburi
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To: nuconvert

He probably dressed like that on purpose - so that he could look like a poor man/refugee from Sudan in order to gain sympathy. At least that is what part of the article said.


117 posted on 12/26/2009 8:05:44 PM PST by HollyB
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To: MindBender26

He probably had a passport, but did not want to use it - maybe knowing that he was being ‘watched’.


118 posted on 12/26/2009 8:06:49 PM PST by HollyB
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To: hennie pennie

Possible bomb on plane which could go off at any moment and they keep the passengers on the plane? Not SOP.

The SOP is to get them off the plane and sequestered in a closed area under guard, while the luggage is checked. Every airport is supposed to be set up for it.

It is against the law to keep a passenger on a plane after it has landed. I would have debarked whether they liked it or not. No one should be forced to sit on a plane that has a bomb in the luggage compartment.And the airlines see it that wat too ( think of the wrongful death claims in the millions against the airline, if a bomb goes off.)

The authorities screwed up big time.


119 posted on 12/26/2009 8:13:17 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member NRA))
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To: nuconvert

He was refered to a manager. And then he was given a boarding pass by who? The janitor?

Also their luggage wasn’t likely vetted by security but likely went straight to the plane in the last minutes befoe departure.

How else would a bomb be found in luggage at Detroit?


120 posted on 12/26/2009 8:23:11 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision , truth (.Member NRA))
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