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Wesley J. Smith: Case of Rom Houben Should Prompt Renewed Look at Terri Schiavo's Death
Life News ^ | 12/24/09 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 12/26/2009 6:22:59 PM PST by wagglebee

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So Terri Schiavo remains very much with us. Polls show that most people believe that her dehydration was just and proper because she was so impaired. But perhaps our inner voice, the part of us that never lies, sees it differently. Perhaps the reason Terri Schiavo comes so quickly to mind whenever we hear stories about “miraculous” awakenings, is that we remain profoundly disturbed by what we did to her, haunted it would seem, by her beautifully smiling face.

We should be haunted, because her murder is just a glimpse of what will come under Obamacare.

1 posted on 12/26/2009 6:22:59 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 12/26/2009 6:24:17 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 12/26/2009 6:24:56 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Wesley J. Smith has written a fantastic piece about Terri.


4 posted on 12/26/2009 6:27:08 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Her end was nothing but murder, pure and simple. It's coming to us all now with the decisions about who will be given care coming from nameless bureaucrats. Satan is dancing with delight over the passage of this bill - Reid, Pelosi and Obama are nothing more than his mouthpieces, and the rest of the Democrat Party is in lockstep with them.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
5 posted on 12/26/2009 6:33:27 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: wagglebee
What ultimately killed murdered Terri Schiavo was Jeb Bush's inability to take a moral stand as Governor of Florida. Cowardice killed Terri.
6 posted on 12/26/2009 6:33:41 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

And Florida’s current governor (and senate candidate) Charlie Crist is also culpable in Terri’s murder.


7 posted on 12/26/2009 6:35:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The Terry Schiavo story was the first time that I began to realize that there is something terribly, terribly wrong going on in this country.

We are supposed to defend and help those who cannot help themselves, not murder them by starvation and dehydration. This woman was made to suffer.

I hope that anyone that was personally involved in what was done to her burns in Hell for eternity, because that is what they deserve.


8 posted on 12/26/2009 6:36:18 PM PST by chris37
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To: wagglebee
Terri Schiavo isn't the story we have to be worried about.

Anne Frank is the story we have to be worried about.

9 posted on 12/26/2009 6:37:35 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: wagglebee

MengeleCare that Congress intends to be their Final Solution for enemies of their State.


10 posted on 12/26/2009 6:38:36 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead (Clean the RAT/RINO Sewer in 2010 and 2012)
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To: wagglebee
her autopsy stated that the condition of her brain was consistent with either PVS or minimal consciousness

This isn't true. Such a determination can only be made on a living brain. And the doctor that did the autopsy stated as much. What he did say was that there was damage. I still get steamed by writers that misstate what was said.

Polls show that most people believe that her dehydration was just and proper

Because they weren't told the truth.

11 posted on 12/26/2009 6:39:31 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: wagglebee

The thing that gets me is she had a feeding tube because she would silently aspirate food into her lungs if she ate by mouth...so the husband finally decided (because she was not ‘with it’) to cut the tube and let her starve to death?

Man, wouldn’t it be better to let the girl eat and die at least hydrated and feeling full?


12 posted on 12/26/2009 6:40:06 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: DJ MacWoW

I no longer have the link to Terri’s autopsy report. However, I think the author (Wesley J. Smith) was referring to the report that Mikey Schiavo had written, Wesley Smith is very close to the Schindlers and was definitely on Terri’s side.


13 posted on 12/26/2009 6:43:09 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I still get teed off. You understand.


14 posted on 12/26/2009 6:45:14 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Beowulf9

They don’t know if she’d aspirate because the judge ordered that no one was to feed her by mouth. Her brother and sister were caught feeding her and barred from visiting again.


15 posted on 12/26/2009 6:46:47 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I do too. But I get the maddest at the supposedly conservative FReepers who say that we should just forget about Terri and “move on”.


16 posted on 12/26/2009 6:46:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Can’t move on. Won’t either. :-)


17 posted on 12/26/2009 6:48:33 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I’ve told more than a few pro-death FReepers that when innocent people are no longer subject to state-supported murder I will quit talking about it.


18 posted on 12/26/2009 6:50:55 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Unfortunately those become very heated discussions. For them, it’s about money. For us, it’s about the right to live.


19 posted on 12/26/2009 6:52:53 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: wagglebee

When we allowed the State of Florida to kill an innocent woman by dehydrating her to death, it marked a turning point in our nation. We now see that Terri was just the beginning. Seniors and people with disabilities are the next targets. Anyone who doesn’t meet the left’s guidelines for a productive life will be on the list.


20 posted on 12/26/2009 6:54:26 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: wagglebee
When we allowed the State of Florida to kill an innocent woman by dehydrating her to death, it marked a turning point in our nation. We now see that Terri was just the beginning. Seniors and people with disabilities are the next targets. Anyone who doesn't meet the left’s guidelines for a productive life will be on the list.
21 posted on 12/26/2009 6:55:50 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Terri became a fairly wealthy woman due when her suit for medical negligence was settled. Unfortunately, her estranged, adulterous and very possibly abusive “husband” spent all of her money murdering her.

Many of America’s current fiscal problems (looming Social Security insolvency) are a result of the demographic imbalance created by abortion. Killing an entire generation will have negative consequences when programs for older generations are dependent on normal population growth.


22 posted on 12/26/2009 6:57:55 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Bykrbayb used to post that we were becoming like nazi Germany. She was told she was a nut case. That was one of teh nicer things that were said. She posted a pic of a man in a wheelchair.

Have you still got the graphic, Bayb?

23 posted on 12/26/2009 7:00:46 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: FR_addict
When we allowed the State of Florida to kill an innocent woman by dehydrating her to death, it marked a turning point in our nation. We now see that Terri was just the beginning.

I think that a lot of the polling done during Terri's murder was to gauge public reaction to for future murders. As far as a "turning point", it's worth noting that very little has gone the GOP's way since Terri was murdered.

24 posted on 12/26/2009 7:01:01 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Yup. He loved him some Teri when he thought there would be a big pay off. It wasn’t as much as he’d hoped. But when he got it, the death dance began. I remember.


25 posted on 12/26/2009 7:02:49 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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Can't move on either - I'll be in that position eventually, unless I die suddenly - when will they decide to stop my nutrition and medication? It's just a question of dollars and cents to the nameless bureaucrats and apparatchiks who will be passing on who gets and who does not get care.

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
26 posted on 12/26/2009 7:02:56 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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Bykrbayb used to post that we were becoming like nazi Germany. She was told she was a nut case. That was one of teh nicer things that were said. She posted a pic of a man in a wheelchair.

Have you still got the graphic, Bayb?

Here it is:

This person suffering from hereditary defects
costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime.
People, that is your money. Read ‘New People’.

27 posted on 12/26/2009 7:03:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

One of the things that I hold against Jeb Bush. The coward.


28 posted on 12/26/2009 7:04:28 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The day Terri died I realized that we had been duped by the ENTIRE Bush family.


29 posted on 12/26/2009 7:05:42 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; BykrBayb

What Bayb said was true. Nobody is denying it now.


30 posted on 12/26/2009 7:05:45 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: wagglebee

Sadly, that’s true.


31 posted on 12/26/2009 7:06:43 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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What Bayb said was true. Nobody is denying it now.

Yep, the same people who said we were crazy for talking about the slippery slope are now just as scared as the rest of us.

32 posted on 12/26/2009 7:08:17 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It’s a shame it had to come to this before others saw the truth.


33 posted on 12/26/2009 7:10:01 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

It’s the exact same thing that happened in Germany after Hitler came to power; however, unlike Zero, Hitler kept his evil agenda a secret from the public.


34 posted on 12/26/2009 7:11:49 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Obeyme isn't as smart as Hitler. And he thinks everyone thinks he's wonderful. He truly has issues and his ego is apparent.

I have to go. Stuff to do before bed.

Goodnight friend!

35 posted on 12/26/2009 7:15:31 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: wagglebee

“Move on.” Not me! Not ever.


36 posted on 12/26/2009 7:23:29 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I’m going to bed soon, the past couple days have worn me out!


37 posted on 12/26/2009 7:25:13 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Look, Terry Shiavo’s murderers just want the power of life and death and they don’t care about these arguments. The only thing that will protect the sanctity of life in the future is power. That power can come by the ballot. but when a majority are against life, it must come by force or it won’t come because it is too easy for most to just let the murderers go about their business. At every level when votes went against Terry’s life, those who could have stood in the way meekly stepped aside and that was a disgrace. Votes for murder are not to be respected.


38 posted on 12/26/2009 7:30:19 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: DJ MacWoW; FR_addict; wagglebee

To clarify, I didn’t say we were becoming like the Nazis. But whenever someone paraphrased the Nazi talking points, I posted the Nazi version of what they were saying. At one point, I kept a list handy, with several Nazi speeches, propaganda posters, etc. For a while, every day, I could count on somebody to state the English equivalent of the Nazi euthanasia propaganda. Eventually it dwindled to just an occasional post in favor of Nazi eugenics, and almost always along the lines of that poster, which Wagglebee has been kind enough to post for us.

There used to be a small but vocal group who called for a system here that followed the Nazi T4 euthanasia program almost exactly. They only exception was their proposed plan called for the approval of fewer doctors than the Nazi T4 program. So I used to post a description of the T4 system in response to their proposal.


39 posted on 12/26/2009 7:33:06 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

I hear that. :-)


40 posted on 12/26/2009 7:39:27 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: BykrBayb

It’s been awhile. My memory isn’t the best. And those memories are awful.


41 posted on 12/26/2009 7:41:17 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: wagglebee

You are absolutely right.


42 posted on 12/26/2009 7:43:08 PM PST by surfer
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To: wagglebee
We should be haunted, because her murder is just a glimpse of what will come under Obamacare.

The people who literally 'pulled the plug' are not haunted. And yes, agree; we have much to fear given Obamacare - an 'oxymoron'- if there ever was one.

43 posted on 12/26/2009 7:59:49 PM PST by cricket ('Don't bow for me Obama ' (America's 'sorry' President)http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSW)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I think your memory is pretty accurate about that. I just wanted to clarify that one point.

I will say now that I see us sliding closer and closer to the Nazis we once fought against. We still have a ways to go, but we’re moving exponentially faster in that direction.


44 posted on 12/26/2009 8:03:29 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 12/26/2009 8:57:11 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ConorMacNessa

We are fighting Powers and Principalities.

But they’ve been around a long time - as in at least since the beginning of time as we know it - and they’ve been fighting us (humans generally and the US and Israel in particular) for as long as we have existed.

Can we stand up to Powers and Prinicpalities? Nope. Not alone. Only God can.

So, if we stand with God, we will prevail. If we (continue as a nation to) try to stand on our own, we will fail.

It’s really pretty straight forward...


47 posted on 12/26/2009 10:39:00 PM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: DJ MacWoW
"One of the things that I hold against Jeb Bush. The coward."

Bush wasn't a coward, he was complicit. HE signed into law that it was ok to remove feeding tubes from PVS patients; that's why they "diagnosed" Terri as "PVS". Charlie Crist was also complicit as he NEVER made any effort to investigate the matter.

48 posted on 12/26/2009 11:34:22 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: jackibutterfly

Yes. They played people.


49 posted on 12/27/2009 5:15:48 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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Bush had the power and obligation to rescue Terri. He vowed to do so. He chickened out. When I see, hear, or think of the word “coward,” Jeb Bush comes to mind.


50 posted on 12/27/2009 5:41:15 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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