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Driving really fast to cost more starting Friday (Georgia)
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | December 28, 2009 | Ariel Hart

Posted on 12/28/2009 10:31:25 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

To those who feel the need to speed: Be warned. For the fastest of fast drivers, it’s about to get really expensive.

Going 85 miles per hour or more on most Georgia roads -- including interstates -- will cost a speeder an additional $200, when a new "super-speeder" law takes effect on Friday. On two-lane roads, meaning one lane each way, the extra fine kicks in at 75 mph.

That’s on top of whatever ticket the speeder gets for going over the speed limit.

“It’s a lifesaving law,” said Bob Dallas, director of the Governor’s Office of Highway Safety, noting that speeding makes death or severe injury much more likely when an accident happens.

The original speeding ticket may not tell the offender about the additional state fine, Dallas said. First, the driver will get the local ticket as usual. Then, the state will send a letter notifying the speeder of the $200 fine, which must be paid within 90 days of the letter's date.

“The goal here is to prevent the worst of the worst speeding in the state of Georgia,” Dallas said. “At some point we just have to put an end to the super-speeders and using our roadways as a racetrack. And this is what this law is designed to do.”

Drivers who don’t pay will have their licenses suspended.

The original ticket is no joke either. Local fines -- which range depending on where tickets are issued and the driver's speed -- are commonly well over $100.

In McIntosh County on Georgia's coast, going 34 mph over the speed limit will cost you $1,355, according to the county court clerk’s office. That’s before the new state fine.

At least one local official, Sheriff J. Tyson Stephens of Emanuel County, has called the $200 state fine little more than a tax that will impose an out-of-kilter burden on the working poor.

Dallas said he knew of no other state with a similar law, though some states had tried variations, such as higher fines on problem roads.

The law intended money collected from the fines to fund trauma services, but where it's actually spent will be up to the state Legislature.


TOPICS: US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: georgia; highways
It may be just a tax, but it's one that's easily avoidable and in avoiding this tax by driving the speed limit, the citizen makes the highways a whole lot safer.
1 posted on 12/28/2009 10:31:27 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Sheriff J. Tyson Stephens of Emanuel County, has called the $200 state fine little more than a tax that will impose an out-of-kilter burden on the working poor.

W.T.H. does that mean?

2 posted on 12/28/2009 10:35:52 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Get lost, Mitt. You're the Eddie Haskell of the Republican party." (Finny))
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Georgia is one of the few places where I’ve seen county sheriff deputies doing radar on the Interstates.

They just see all those wallets driving thru and have to rake off some revenue.


3 posted on 12/28/2009 10:36:18 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in democrat stands for patriotism)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I’ve driven up the Alpharetta Autobahn (Ga. 400) before at 80 mph soley to KEEP UP with traffic and not CAUSE an accident due to going too slow. Even at that speed, people were blowin by me like I was standin still..


4 posted on 12/28/2009 10:37:52 AM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (A moderate muslim is one who is simply buying time to reload..)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
“It’s a lifesaving law,” said Bob Dallas, director of the Governor’s Office of Highway Safety

Liar! Just keep telling yourself this as the scum politicians make these "fines" for "safety" er...uh REVENUE. PERIOD.

Having lived in different countries where speed is higher I can tell you its NOT about SAFETY.

5 posted on 12/28/2009 10:38:01 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
“It’s a lifesaving law,”

As someone living mostly in Germany for nearly 20 years, I find this hard to swallow.

Not every part of the autobahns here are without speed limits but a good portion of them are. When a speed limit is posted I believe is respected far more than it is in the states.

I think the practice here in Germany is by far the superior one. It puts the emphasis on car and driver rather than on speed. My eldest son has just gotten his German driver's license and it cost us about $2000 and it cost him many many hours of study and many, many kilometers driving with an instructor to fulfill driving experience requirements. Believe me, the course is arduous and the milestones are demanding.

I have no doubt that the result produces a far superior driver on average in Germany than in the United States where the written tests are just silly and driving tests are perfunctory.

More, car inspections in Germany are very thorough indeed and the cars are on the road in Germany are on average simply safer than those we allow the roads in America. I was stopped last winter in a routine stop and police measured the thread in my tires and made me produce the safety vest, the emergency yield sign, and my medical kit. There are fines for being on the road without them. Everyone takes seriously the need to buckle up.

So when you see a Mercedes bearing down on you on the autobahn doing about 180 to 200 km an hour it is a good idea to stop picking your nose and move over to the right. It is a very bad idea to flip any other driver the bird, that might cost you a couple of thousand euros.


6 posted on 12/28/2009 10:44:35 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

If you’re not doing AT LEAST 75 on the interstate, you’re inviting an 18 wheeler into you backseat.


7 posted on 12/28/2009 10:46:29 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Pork Eating CRUSADER - FUBO! Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Hardeman County in West Texas is a notorious speedtrap.

All the towns on US 287 in TX are, esp Quanah.


8 posted on 12/28/2009 10:47:51 AM PST by rahbert (There are no fish here! What kind of ocean is this?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
“It’s a lifesaving law,” said Bob Dallas, director of the Governor’s Office of Highway Safety, noting that speeding makes death or severe injury much more likely when an accident happens.

Male bovine scatterology. Tax revenues are down. They need money.

9 posted on 12/28/2009 10:48:19 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: nathanbedford

European-style driving tests and licensing laws in the US would dramatically reduce traffic fatalities among other things. The amount of time, effort, and most of all, money, are so great that NOT doing well is a waste of all of those things.

We wouldn’t have ADD-drug-addled kids text messaging while changing CDs and talking to their friends on a Bluetooth headset while driving. Look no further than roundabouts as an example. Give American’s straight lines and they can sort of get around. Throw in a roundabout and you’ve got a conglomeration of amateurs like a southerner on a New Jersey highway in a blizzard!


10 posted on 12/28/2009 10:50:40 AM PST by rarestia (Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Many times I’ve seen motorcycle cops doing radar on the edge of the road of Atlanta I75 downtown traffic (Atlanta Braves stadium/Georgia Tech area).

And my first thought is always this — They must not be fond of their legs.


11 posted on 12/28/2009 10:51:13 AM PST by Drea
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To: rahbert

In central Texas, Bruceville-Eddy, Moody, McGregor and Riesel are speed traps. Bruceville-Eddy is the worst.


12 posted on 12/28/2009 10:51:33 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
It may be just a tax, but it's one that's easily avoidable and in avoiding this tax by driving the speed limit, the citizen makes the highways a whole lot safer.

Source, please.

13 posted on 12/28/2009 10:53:04 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: nathanbedford
IIRC, Germany also has laws against eating, talking on a cell phone or anything else while driving.

Germany, though has around 82 million people in an area the size of Montana. Long distance driving isn't as necessary as here in the states.

14 posted on 12/28/2009 10:57:27 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

If it were a speed trap, I’d agree with you, but the speed limit is posted throughout the state. It shouldn’t surprise anyone when they get pulled over and written up.

As for what those county sheriff deputies see, it’s a lot worse than a speeding car. It’s when that speeding car is dead still and all you hear is metal croaking, steam rising, and people still left in tact begging for help for themselves or another family member.

People need to be more patient, drive more carefully, and slow down. Getting there in one piece is more important than getting there 15 minutes earlier.


15 posted on 12/28/2009 11:00:21 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
“It’s a lifesaving law,” said Bob Dallas, director of the Governor’s Office of Highway Safety

Non sequitur as usual from those who stand to cash in.

If speed is dangerous then restrict cars from exceeding 70 mph via governor chips or mechanical devices. Ah but that would cut into the juicy profits.

As for those 'saints' who believe the speed limit is a panacea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoETMCosULQ

Speed limits are hardly scientific. Most people praising the speed limit and/or who believe it is the 'safe' speed for a road ignore the most basic tenets of traffic engineering that set the limit at the 85th percentile of all speeds traveled.

But those are engineers. Bureaucrats care not a whit about safety but fines levied by fatally-biased 'mayor's courts' and municipal judges are a nice little earner.

16 posted on 12/28/2009 11:03:24 AM PST by relictele (Profiling luggage instead of people is futile)
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To: Knitebane
I have no source except intuition and what I remember from physics class that kinetic energy equals mass times velocity squared. Cut down the velocity, and things are a lot safer for those in a collision. A couple of people on this thread have made good points about the safer faster drivers in countries such as Germany, but that does not apply here where greater speed is more often associated with impatience and/or drivers not giving themselves plenty of time to get where they're going on time.
17 posted on 12/28/2009 11:03:59 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Graybeard58
W.T.H. does that mean?

Means he is a Democrat. And probably black.

18 posted on 12/28/2009 11:05:18 AM PST by doodad
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
It’s a lifesaving law

Sure it is. Thank god for our politicians. They're saving our lives /s

19 posted on 12/28/2009 11:05:43 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: rahbert

Having driven that particular route all the way from Dallas out through Dalhart north of Amarillo numerous times in the past year, I have yet to see a single speed trap. I do slow down through the towns along the way, but even so I would think I would still see the traps patrolling through or set up along the line.


20 posted on 12/28/2009 11:06:27 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

I see city police on the interstate here in Florida running radar.


21 posted on 12/28/2009 11:12:46 AM PST by jwparkerjr
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To: relictele
Not only that, but some roads are designated as 75 MPH roads in GA. Therefore, exceeding those roads by TEN mph kicks in an extra 200 into the kitty.

What crap.

22 posted on 12/28/2009 11:15:10 AM PST by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
Georgia is one of the few places where I’ve seen county sheriff deputies doing radar on the Interstates.

Pennsylvania has them too. They only troll the spots where the limit is lowered to 55 instead of 65 for revenue reasons. I got a 70 in a 55 a few years ago which was $149.50 Welcome to PA, here's your toll.

23 posted on 12/28/2009 11:15:43 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Little Pig

Maybe so but I had NM plates. Maybe it was the out-of-state
road tax...


24 posted on 12/28/2009 11:15:59 AM PST by rahbert (There are no fish here! What kind of ocean is this?)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Georgia...was...is...and probably always will be the number one speed trap in America...North...South...or Central.


25 posted on 12/28/2009 11:20:54 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
A couple of people on this thread have made good points about the safer faster drivers in countries such as Germany, but that does not apply here where greater speed is more often associated with impatience and/or drivers not giving themselves plenty of time to get where they're going on time.

Indeed they have. Because regardless of your intuition the statistics indicate something else. Namely, driving faster in and of itself does not increase the risk of collision and therefore does not increase the risk of injury or death.

The reality is that the larger the disparity in velocity the more danger there is of collision and the more damaging that collision is.

So if you're going slower than everyone else on the highway, you're the danger. Speed up.

26 posted on 12/28/2009 11:23:26 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Interestingly, only about 14% of motor vehicle fatalities occur at highway speed. The vast majority of fatalities occur at less than 35 mph and on local roads.

On the other hand, it's a lot easier to pull people over on the interstate and give them a ticket.

Nice to see that Georgia has its priorities straight.

27 posted on 12/28/2009 11:29:56 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

where is the obligatory picture post of Catherine Bach in her Daisy Dukes, posing with the General Lee?


28 posted on 12/28/2009 11:29:56 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
At least one local official, Sheriff J. Tyson Stephens of Emanuel County, has called the $200 state fine little more than a tax that will impose an out-of-kilter burden on the working poor. Didn't think they could afford a fast car.
29 posted on 12/28/2009 11:32:44 AM PST by peteram
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
I asked my friend (county deputy sheriff) what he gives on the interstate. He said usually 15 miles over...10 if the baby kept him up at night. :-)

In my area the State Patrol will pull you over for under 5 miles per hour. If I know H.E.A.T. is working the area I am extra careful.

My 19 year old son (who knows everything donchaknow) said they won't write a ticket unless you have exceeded 10 miles over (or is it 15) because of the cost factor. But he is the same boy who asked me if he needed to peel an egg before he boiled it.

30 posted on 12/28/2009 11:39:56 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Not to be a smartass, but I have some logistical questions about this.

What is the speed limit on Ga highways? Why is that the safe speed?

I was talking with a civil engineer who said that speed limits were set at 80% of the speed that can be driven safely under poor conditions.

If you presume people will drop their speed by 15% (65-55) in poor conditions, then a highway with a speed limit of 65 mph would be completely safe at 95 mph. (65/.8=81, 81/.85=95).

So how does 85 mph on a highway present a safety issue when the highways are built to allow 95 mph safely in dry conditions?


31 posted on 12/28/2009 11:44:10 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I know that route well. When my 19 year old got his license the examiner told me it is safer for him and everyone else if he keeps up with traffic.

I usually travel 400 at 80 trying to keep up (even in the 55 mile per hour section.) If you don’t some jerk is on your tail trying to intimidate you into getting out of his way.

Actually it is more accurate to say even at 80 you still have jerks riding your tail trying to get you to pull over. And cars still whiz by you going 90 or better.


32 posted on 12/28/2009 11:46:47 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: rahbert
Maybe so but I had NM plates. Maybe it was the out-of-state road tax...

Nevada does that. They have what I call a "wasting fuel" fine. If you are doing, IIRC, 5 MPH over the speed limit(might be more)they stop you and issue you a ticket that only costs 15 bucks. They know you are going to pay it, instead of coming back to Nevada to contest it, the ticket doesn't go on your driving record either. They mostly use it on CA drivers.

The one time I got one I was doing 70 on a freeway, Nevada drivers were passing me like I was standing still and I'm the one the cop pulled over. I mailed in my 15 bucks and shrugged my shoulders, not much you can do about it.

33 posted on 12/28/2009 11:47:58 AM PST by calex59
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
I should add they need to write tickets to the engineers that designed the expressways in metro Atlanta. That would quickly reduce our budget shortfall.

I'm not just whistlin’ Dixie. We have the most dangerous road design (especially entrance and exit ramps) in the nation.

34 posted on 12/28/2009 11:52:39 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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