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[Issaquah] Resident asks school board to remove Pledge of Allegiance from meetings
Issaquah Press ^ | 12/22/2009 | Chantelle Lusebrink

Posted on 12/28/2009 11:38:49 AM PST by Patriot62

The Issaquah School Board may consider eliminating the Pledge of Allegiance at its regular business meetings.

At their Dec. 9 meeting, school board members were asked to eliminate the pledge from their meetings by parent Matthew Barry.

“The words ‘under God’ in the pledge are offensive to your atheist residents in this school district,” Barry said at the meeting. “A study from last year, The American Religious Identification Survey, indicates that 15 percent of Americans aren’t religious. In Washington, which is one of the most nonreligious states, 25 percent aren’t religious. So, I think it is safe to assume there are atheist taxpayers, parents, students and maybe even a few teachers in this school district.”

School board members couldn’t take action or discuss the item since it wasn’t on their regular meeting agenda, but they said they would take the item under consideration for a future agenda topic.

“It is inappropriate for the school board to ask atheists to stand and proclaim they are ‘under God,’” said Barry, a self-proclaimed atheist. “Atheists don’t believe in gods, so they certainly don’t think they or the nation are under a god.”

Barry said other residents with different religious beliefs might also find the pledge offensive.

“If the school board were asking Jews, Hindus and other non-Christians to stand and proclaim that Jesus Christ is the messiah, I’m pretty sure we’d all agree that’s inappropriate,” he said.

“It’s none of the government’s business what our private religious beliefs are, if any, and certainly none of the government’s business to ask us to stand and publicly proclaim what those beliefs are,” he added. “Most would agree it’s even worse if the government asks someone to stand and say something that contradicts their belief system.”

“If I understand his logic correctly, simply because something is offensive and unnecessary, it should be removed,” said Jared Spataro, a parent and Boy Scout Leader whose Scouts presented the colors that night. “I’m very proud to see us stand up and very proud to see my Scouts lead us in the pledge tonight and talk about God.

“We don’t necessarily say that everyone needs to believe in the same God, I think he referenced Jews and Hindus and others, but we do teach our boys, especially in the Scout program, that belief in a higher authority is important as an aspect of our community, and as an aspect of who we become in the community and how we contribute there.”

Barry said he wouldn’t have a problem with board members asking meeting participants to cite the original version of the Pledge of Allegiance, which didn’t include the words “under God” and was recited from 1892-1954. The words “under God” were added in 1954, Barry said.

Right now, schools within the state are required to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and hold flag salute exercises at the beginning of each school day under the state’s revised code No. 28A.230.140.

However, the law recognizes that students can’t be forced to participate: “Students not reciting the pledge shall maintain a respectful silence.”

School districts aren’t required to recite the pledge for school board meetings. In fact, the Lake Washington School District doesn’t require the pledge at board meetings, Barry said.

Since the pledge is irrelevant to the board’s work and is offensive, even if it is voluntary, it should be eliminated from the board meetings, he added.

“I understand many things we do are offensive to people,” Spataro added. “But just because a small group of people, or even a large group of people, are offended it doesn’t mean they are right.”


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: antichristian; atheismandstate; atheistsupremacist; pledgeofalleigance
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1 posted on 12/28/2009 11:38:52 AM PST by Patriot62
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To: Patriot62

Why are they offensive?? The words are meaningless to an atheist. It’s your problem.


2 posted on 12/28/2009 11:41:04 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Patriot62

Offend 90% so the 10% aren’t. Cause that’s how libs work.


3 posted on 12/28/2009 11:42:49 AM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Patriot62

Trying..... not ...... go ...... postal .........


4 posted on 12/28/2009 11:43:16 AM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Patriot62

I DEMAND that the atheist be removed.


5 posted on 12/28/2009 11:43:48 AM PST by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: Patriot62

Go to hell, atheist. When the majority begins to rule you’ll just have to keep your mouth shut!


6 posted on 12/28/2009 11:46:40 AM PST by IbJensen (A Prayer for Obama (Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: Sacajaweau

And atheism is offensive to american christians or jews!

Time to FIGHT BACK the secular ,atheist,bigotry(which is paving the way to iSSlamism)


7 posted on 12/28/2009 11:48:51 AM PST by Ulysse (a)
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To: Patriot62

Letter this character wrote to the Seattle Weekly
back in 2000..

Keeping tabs on Carlson
Have you noticed how Republican gubernatorial candidate John Carlson never mentions his days at KVI radio [see “Carlson’s head trip,” 10/19]? Perhaps he is embarrassed by what he said when he wasn’t running for office. Anyone who listened to Carlson’s talk show knows that his current slick demeanor masks a radical agenda. I listened to Carlson and other hosts on KVI because it’s important to keep tabs on our nation’s right-wing extremists. KVI is home to Rush Limbaugh, the one who uses “FemiNazi” to describe any woman who doesn’t stay home barefoot and pregnant. Limbaugh endorsed Carlson for governor, which is hardly surprising considering that Carlson is almost as far right as the truly scary Ellen Craswell.

Carlson’s diatribes against liberals, environmentalists, homosexuals, and secular Americans were standard fare for hate radio. But it’s frightening to think that someone who spews disdain for entire segments of our society might gain the reins in Olympia. Gary Locke doesn’t hate, and he doesn’t polarize. Locke works for all citizens in this state, not just those of his own political party. Carlson has conveniently reinvented himself just in time for the election, but we all need to look beyond his slick talk. Concentrate on what he says, not on how he says it.

MATTHEW J. BARRY
ISSAQUAH


8 posted on 12/28/2009 11:50:31 AM PST by rahbert (There are no fish here! What kind of ocean is this?)
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To: sionnsar

Ping!


9 posted on 12/28/2009 11:51:38 AM PST by Spunky (You are free to make choices, but not free from the consequences)
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To: Patriot62

Considering that government is the religion of the left, and it’s meddlesome bureaucracy the equivalent of clergy, there may be some justification for banning public education while they’re at it. Overbearing pukes.


10 posted on 12/28/2009 11:51:59 AM PST by VR-21
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So if 25 percent are not religious that means 75 percent are - guess their rights don’t count. 75 percent is a fairly high number. If one of the least religious states still has 75 percent -


11 posted on 12/28/2009 11:53:12 AM PST by sanjoaquinvalley (Long time lady lurker.)
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To: Patriot62

“The words ‘under God’ in the pledge are offensive to your atheist residents in this school district,”

If those words are offensive to atheists, they need to toughen up. Freedom of religion isn’t the same as freedom from religion. No one is asking you to accept God, so shut up and hold onto your beliefs.

Or, make it easy on everyone and gtfo.


12 posted on 12/28/2009 11:56:33 AM PST by brownsfan (The average American: Uninformed, and unconcerned.)
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To: Patriot62

“It is inappropriate for the school board to ask atheists to stand and proclaim they are ‘under God,’” said Barry, a self-proclaimed atheist

Well then.....Just sit down and shut up and no one will get hurt!


13 posted on 12/28/2009 11:59:18 AM PST by greatdefender (If You Want Peace.....Prepare For War)
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To: Patriot62
It shouldn't take long to tell this guy NO! but thank you for your concern.

The most astounding thing about the leftist atheist is that they care about other peoples religion. Why would a reference to God offend them. This is after all a country that implicitly accepts the idea of a deity. It is by the endowment of OUR GREATOR, to the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We can not have these right removed by the government BECAUSE they flow from the creator (GOD).

14 posted on 12/28/2009 12:00:54 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: brownsfan

A nation or a person “Under God” is a peaceful nation or person. It is those who believe they are equal or above God you need to watch out for.


15 posted on 12/28/2009 12:01:24 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Patriot62
"15 percent of Americans aren’t religious"

that was an intentionally badly worded survey! If you ask 100 born again Christians the isolated question "do you consider yourself to be religious", a large percentage will answer no!

"Religion" is not exactly a good word to describe Christianity when Jesus was antithetical to religion. A faith, a relationship for sure, but not a religion.

Ask people if they consider themselves to be atheist next time, to get the correct answer - a few percent.
16 posted on 12/28/2009 12:02:13 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: greatdefender

The Brookline MA School Board wanted to remove the Pledge as well. But their reason was; “we aren’t raising little Americans”.


17 posted on 12/28/2009 12:03:12 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: rahbert
Excellent catch.

... Rush Limbaugh, the one who uses “FemiNazi” to describe any woman who doesn’t stay home barefoot and pregnant.

Any person who would make such a demonstrably false and hostile statement -- a deliberately misleading statement cleary intended to foment anger -- should be dismissed out of hand as a contributor to any public forum.

18 posted on 12/28/2009 12:03:31 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Patriot62
I'm almost ready to revise my opinion, deport liberals, let the illegals stay.
19 posted on 12/28/2009 12:04:19 PM PST by Indy Pendance (Gone Galt)
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To: Patriot62

I find it humerous that militant atheists hate something so much that, according to them, doesn’t exist.


20 posted on 12/28/2009 12:06:41 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Patriot62
What's the telephone # , address of this Berry celebrity? He's a celebrity now, so he gives up any right to privacy. That's how it works. Now somebody find and post his telephone number, I have to get back to work.

GOD Bless America

21 posted on 12/28/2009 12:07:34 PM PST by timestax (CNNLIES..BIG TIME)
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To: Patriot62
The words ‘under God’ in the pledge are offensive to your atheist residents in this school district,” Barry said at the meeting

So simple!

Reply: "Mr. Barry, how many atheists are there in the district? How many of them voted in the last election?"

22 posted on 12/28/2009 12:13:59 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
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To: Patriot62

Brings to mind the Wizard of Oz and the Wicked Witch of the East/West?

“look what you have done... I’m melting,, AAAHHHH”

Athiests alway bring a smile to my face..

As fine an assemblege of Phony Baloney Plastic Fantastic A$$Clowns of the Highest Order can only be found in the House or Senate of the United States. Well, upon reflection I guess the Current Executive and Judicial give them a pretty good run for their money but that’s about it. LOL

W


23 posted on 12/28/2009 12:26:30 PM PST by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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“The words ‘under God’ in the pledge are offensive to your atheist residents in this school district,” Barry said at the meeting.

"Atheist residents in my school district are offensive to me," KarinG1 said to no one in particular.

24 posted on 12/28/2009 12:28:57 PM PST by KarinG1 (They should put the terror watch list online so we'd know who to drag out and feed to the gators.)
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To: rahbert

GOOD GOD

Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, the Christian equivalent of the Taliban, have blamed Americans—Americans!—for the terrorist attacks. Based on their twisted fundamentalist faith, these preachers believe their god is angry at Americans. Specifically, and conveniently, he’s angry at everyone that Falwell and Robertson hate: pro-choice Americans, feminists, homosexuals, and those who support the separation of church and state. The ACLU, NOW, People for the American Way, NARAL, and Americans United for Separation of Church and State are all to blame.

What is their god’s solution? Murder 5,000 innocent people. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. These fundamentalists believe that their god drowned most of the planet in a flood and ordered genocide and infanticide throughout the Old Testament. This is a barbaric belief system. And it is a dangerous belief system. Falwell and Robertson have essentially declared open season on large segments of the American population. If they believe it was justified for their god to punish us, then their followers will likely decide to continue the attacks.

Christian fundamentalists have already bombed abortion clinics and murdered doctors. We need to protect ourselves not just from Islamic fundamentalists, but from all religious extremists.

Matthew J. Barry
Issaquah

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2001-09-19/news/now-added-to-the-grief-and-anger-comes-a-sickening-dread-will-our-country-stoop-to-the-morality-of-the-terrorists/


25 posted on 12/28/2009 12:31:38 PM PST by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: Domandred

BINGO!


26 posted on 12/28/2009 12:36:46 PM PST by cranked
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To: Patriot62

With the claim that some 15% to 25% MAY be offended, when does the other 85% to 75% stand up and claim how offended we are at these assaults on our values?


27 posted on 12/28/2009 12:59:21 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: Domandred
it must be a miserable life being so easily offended. The pledge has "under God", the declaration of independence refers to a "Creator", cross symbols on church property for all to see and be offended at, our coinage "in God we trust", religious programming on tv....so many ways to be offended.
I'm among those supposedly 15% non-religious. Our society respects my right to be that way. I support others right to be religious and to display it.
28 posted on 12/28/2009 1:19:59 PM PST by phredo53 (Caution: This post does not comply with White House standards.)
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To: Patriot62

The constitution provides for freedom OF religion, not FROM religion.


29 posted on 12/28/2009 1:34:27 PM PST by highlander_UW (...one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is Congress - John Adams)
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To: Patriot62

a 3 letter word offends him , aw poor him, I’ll take all the money he has ten seeing as he is offended by that word.

What he won’t be offended looking at his money


30 posted on 12/28/2009 1:47:54 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: phredo53

I’m an atheist myself and have never been offended by “under god” being in the pledge or “in god we trust” on the money. I proudly say the whole pledge at every cub scout meeting we have.

People like Mr Barry have nothing but disdain for those who freely practice their own religion. He knows full well that the constitution’s first ammendment does not mean that the USA does not prohibit religion in government. His ilk are the same bunch that if given the chance, would create stiff tyrannical rules which would only take away our freedom.


31 posted on 12/28/2009 1:54:44 PM PST by dirtman
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To: Patriot62

No one is required to use the phrase “under God”, and I support their right to not say it. I say it because I am a Christian and believe that this nation wouldn’t be this nation without Him. My allegiance is to Him first, and I am able to pledge allegiance to a nation as long as it recognizes Him as the Author of Liberty and the One Who gave us all of our natural rights.

The concept of tolerance seems to have been smothered by various agendas, but that’s how this is all supposed to work in a melting-pot nation.


32 posted on 12/28/2009 2:22:36 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Patriot62

My guess is that religious holidays like Good Friday, Thanksgiving and Christmas are also offensive to non-Christians. Mark my words - in time, they will be abolished under the creed of separation of church and state.


33 posted on 12/28/2009 2:22:38 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: brownsfan

The atheists should have all their money taken away for their own good, since it has “In God we trust” emblazoned on it.


34 posted on 12/28/2009 2:26:55 PM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: dirtman

Anybody know what the upshot to this was? Are they eliminating the pledge or not?


35 posted on 12/28/2009 2:34:58 PM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: matt1234; Bosun; washingtoncon; Pavegunner72; cherry; aw93472; WeatherGuy; CBF; x_plus_one; ...
Thanks to Spunky for the ping.

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Quick link: WA State Board

FReepmail sionnsar if you want on or off this ping list.
Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

36 posted on 12/28/2009 2:52:32 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Patriot62

Why doesn’t the clown just not say those two words which were added in the 1950s ? That’s easy enough. He can say it right along with everybody, leave out the two words, and nobody’s hurt.

But nooooo, he’s got to stop others from using them so his widdle feelings won’t be hurt.

Lunacy !


37 posted on 12/28/2009 2:57:41 PM PST by jimt
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To: Patriot62
Spataro added. “But just because a small group of people, or even a large group of people, are offended it doesn’t mean they are right.”

True. If the 15% truly are atheists, they won't care about the words "under God," because those words don't mean anything to them.

38 posted on 12/28/2009 3:51:40 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: timestax
What's the telephone # , address of this Berry celebrity? He's a celebrity now, so he gives up any right to privacy. That's how it works. Now somebody find and post his telephone number, I have to get back to work.

You have FReepmail.

39 posted on 12/28/2009 4:01:36 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Domandred
it must be a miserable life being so easily offended. The pledge has "under God", the declaration of independence refers to a "Creator", cross symbols on church property for all to see and be offended at, our coinage "in God we trust", religious programming on tv....so many ways to be offended.
I'm among those supposedly 15% non-religious. Our society respects my right to be that way. I support others right to be religious and to display it.
40 posted on 12/28/2009 4:10:58 PM PST by phredo53 (Caution: This post does not comply with White House standards.)
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To: brownsfan

He’s probably in a perpetual state of rage from Thanksgiving on, with all the Christmas stuff everywhere.


41 posted on 12/28/2009 4:56:54 PM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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To: Patriot62
Barry said other residents with different religious beliefs might also find the pledge offensive. “If the school board were asking Jews, Hindus and other non-Christians to stand and proclaim that Jesus Christ is the messiah, I’m pretty sure we’d all agree that’s inappropriate

Not to stand up for this atheist jerk, but the newspaper is putting words in his mouth. He's not saying non-Christians would find it offensive, he's saying that if he says it it's like making a Hindu praise Jesus.

42 posted on 12/28/2009 7:34:08 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: rahbert
KVI is home to Rush Limbaugh, the one who uses “FemiNazi” to describe any woman who doesn’t stay home barefoot and pregnant. Limbaugh endorsed Carlson for governor, which is hardly surprising considering that Carlson is almost as far right as the truly scary Ellen Craswell.

So he's a godless liar. Not only does he lie about what FemiNazi means, he lies about the endorsement, because Limbaugh doesn't endorse candidates.

43 posted on 12/28/2009 7:36:28 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: sionnsar; Admin Moderator

What’s it take to change my FR handle? Everone has a limit....


44 posted on 12/28/2009 7:36:38 PM PST by Issaquahking (Help Sarah Palin! go to - http://www.conservatives4palin.com - You know what to do!)
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To: Baynative
“The words ‘under God’ in the pledge are offensive to your atheist residents in this school district,” Barry said at the meeting. “A study from last year, The American Religious Identification Survey, indicates that 15 percent of Americans aren’t religious. In Washington, which is one of the most nonreligious states, 25 percent aren’t religious. So, I think it is safe to assume there are atheist taxpayers, parents, students and maybe even a few teachers in this school district.”

Oh barf...

45 posted on 12/28/2009 7:38:42 PM PST by nutmeg (Rush Limbaugh & Sarah Palin agree: NO third parties! Take back the GOP)
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To: polymuser
We need to protect ourselves not just from Islamic fundamentalists, but from all religious extremists.

Yep, we definitely need to protect ourselves from guys like you, Matt.

46 posted on 12/28/2009 7:39:46 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: dirtman

Nicely put. I’ve often said that the Freedom From Religion Foundation and people like this Barry jerk are to atheists as Fred Phelps is to normal Christians. Attention whores with a mean streak a mile wide.


47 posted on 12/28/2009 7:42:07 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: phredo53

Glad to hear it. I’ve known enough atheists and agnostics to know that people like this Barry twit are the Fred Phelpses of atheism.


48 posted on 12/28/2009 7:44:40 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: Issaquahking

Yukon Cornelius would be an awesome Freeper name.


49 posted on 12/28/2009 7:45:31 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (I want a hippopotamus for Christmas! Only a hippopotamus will do!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Hence, atheism is a religion... against religion.


50 posted on 12/28/2009 8:42:39 PM PST by AliVeritas (Is it nothing to you all ye who pass by? Our brothers blood screams from the ground.)
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