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[Issaquah] Resident asks school board to remove Pledge of Allegiance from meetings
Issaquah Press ^ | 12/22/2009 | Chantelle Lusebrink

Posted on 12/28/2009 11:38:49 AM PST by Patriot62

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To: IbJensen
When the majority begins to rule you’ll just have to keep your mouth shut!

Actually, when the "majority" rule, us conservatives and libertarians have as much to fear as this moron.

51 posted on 12/28/2009 8:45:48 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I would agree with that. To clarify my stance; I'm not an atheist. I'm simply not convinced that all these things in the universe got here by random events. I leave the door open that "something" caused it to happen, god or no god.
I support the christian religion simply because they agree with the principles of liberty (for the most part). If they didn't, I'd oppose them. Judaism has not threatened our liberty, to my knowledge. Atheists have not threatened our liberty. Islam...I think it is the poison drink to everything that has made us American.
52 posted on 12/28/2009 9:20:07 PM PST by phredo53 (Caution: This post does not comply with White House standards.)
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To: Patriot62
At their Dec. 9 meeting, school board members were asked to eliminate the pledge from their meetings by parent Matthew Barry.

This jerk should go move to Cuba. People in this country who find our national symbols to be offensive simply do not belong here. We the people who love this country should not be made to hide that love simply on the account of anti-US rear ends like this person who get their fur rubbed the wrong way when it comes to being patriotic.

53 posted on 12/29/2009 4:06:17 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Patriot62
I note that the atheist guy (i.e. someone who is bothered by the idea of a Divine Being) was at the Wednesday December 9 meeting of the school board. I think that, to be consistent, and to prove he is not simply anti-Christian, Mr. Barry should say something about the horrible idea that the school board was actually meeting on a day named after an old Norse god. Most of us should be offended!

Yes, folks, they met on the day named after the god Woden of Norse mythology. We must take action to protect the separation of pagan temple and state. We must run around and scream and shout like the atheists.

Did Barry say something about this offense to his anti-religious sensibilities? Or did he just do like normal people do and not let it bother him? I think he should fast from all food on days named after pagan deities to show his commitment to the cause.

54 posted on 12/29/2009 4:17:03 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: potlatch

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As Barry has consciously chosen not to run and win any office or position for public he has a legal right to only one (1) vote

Opinions are not votes - Barry can have his own opinions - but not his own facts or self-proclaimed rights

Next November 3rd Barry can then choose or not choose to exercise his right to vote one (1) time

That is all

— I have spoken

— That is my final answer

(In Barry I do not trust)


55 posted on 12/29/2009 7:34:21 AM PST by devolve ( . . . . . . . . . woodpile alert - "My muslim faith....." - "Kobe" Osama . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: polymuser

Yes, Mr. Barry, you need to protect yourself from us you enemy of humanity.


56 posted on 12/29/2009 8:33:39 AM PST by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: massgopguy

“The Brookline MA School Board wanted to remove the Pledge as well. But their reason was; “we aren’t raising little Americans”.”

No they are raising little Marxists.

Brookline, Ma. upper middle class to super rich......sheesh.


57 posted on 12/29/2009 8:49:24 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Issaquahking; sionnsar

“What’s it take to change my FR handle? Everone has a limit....”

First you must get permission from Sionnsar.

Then Sionnsar takes it to committee.

Usual turn around time = 24 hours.


58 posted on 12/29/2009 8:52:16 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
So he's a godless liar. Not only does he lie about what FemiNazi means, he lies about the endorsement, because Limbaugh doesn't endorse candidates.

It's been many years now, but I recall that he flew out to speak at John's announcement of his candidacy. Without recalling what he said, that could be construed as an endorsement.

59 posted on 12/29/2009 9:27:28 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Issaquahking

That 24 hours is of face-to-face committee meeting time and does not include breaks. *\;-)


60 posted on 12/29/2009 9:29:49 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: sionnsar

I stand corrected.


61 posted on 12/29/2009 9:39:36 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right, we're free, we'll fight and you'll see!)
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To: devolve

[“Students not reciting the pledge shall maintain a respectful silence.” ]

The solution is already in place.


62 posted on 12/29/2009 10:00:14 AM PST by potlatch (~~ COGITO ERGO SUM~~)
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To: Patriot62

As a practicing Viking, I DEMAND that they change the pledge to say: “One Nation, Under Thor, with Valhalla and Mead for all!”

Just a ridiculous as asking them to remove “Under God”, the way I see it “Under God” is a reference to the Natural or God given “Inherent Rights” that the founders intended.

I am an Agnostic/Catholic and I am offended and deeply pissed off by the Militant Atheists that want to shove THEIR views down all our throats.


63 posted on 12/29/2009 10:25:56 AM PST by GraceG
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To: nutmeg

>> “The words ‘under God’ in the pledge are offensive to your atheist residents in this school district,” Barry said at the meeting. “A study from last year, The American Religious Identification Survey, indicates that 15 percent of Americans aren’t religious. In Washington, which is one of the most nonreligious states, 25 percent aren’t religious. So, I think it is safe to assume there are atheist taxpayers, parents, students and maybe even a few teachers in this school district.”

Oh barf... <<

Here is what I would tell this jerk:

I though Socialist craps like this atheist jerk LOVE Majority Mob Rule, Guess what, you sniveling asshat atheist 25% is less than 75%. Majority rules, Under God stays until Atheists make up 51% of the population. Sit and rotate on it. Oh and maybe pick a Math book because you have no concept what are!


64 posted on 12/29/2009 10:31:22 AM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

No concept of what percentages are...


65 posted on 12/29/2009 10:32:24 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Sacajaweau
Why are they offensive?? The words are meaningless to an atheist. It’s your problem.

Outstanding logical assertion.

I'd like to add that the athiest is most probably a climate hoax believer, and that I am offened by the hypocricy of him exhaling CO2 which directly alters the weather over my house. I must therefore insist he immediately cease exhaling by whatever means he consideres convenient.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

66 posted on 12/29/2009 10:33:40 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: potlatch

>> [“Students not reciting the pledge shall maintain a respectful silence.” ]

The solution is already in place. <<

Apparently their Tolerance ends at their own Intolerance.


67 posted on 12/29/2009 10:34:00 AM PST by GraceG
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To: GraceG

You’re right Grace. Our country used to be ‘tolerant’ of others beliefs. Strange how the liberals became intolerant of our decent beliefs while they push their slimy gay, lesbian, Godless, communist agenda upon us!

No, it’s not strange, they have an agenda and plan to fulfill it.


68 posted on 12/29/2009 10:46:28 AM PST by potlatch (~~ COGITO ERGO SUM~~)
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To: sionnsar; stephenjohnbanker
If that's what it takes...

"It's a squawking" would be better than where I'm at now! Considering I haven't been interested in being a resident of Washington since 99' might have to go talk to the big boss.
69 posted on 12/29/2009 10:58:38 AM PST by Issaquahking (Help Sarah Palin! go to - http://www.conservatives4palin.com - You know what to do!)
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To: Issaquahking

Yup. A plea the to the Admin Moderator is what it takes. Doesn’t always go but I have seen it done.


70 posted on 12/29/2009 12:10:08 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Patriot62
“I understand many things we do are offensive to people,” Spataro added. “But just because a small group of people, or even a large group of people, are offended it doesn’t mean they are right.”

The money quote.

71 posted on 12/29/2009 12:21:23 PM PST by riverdawg
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To: Patriot62

How about the atheist(s) go to a country such as China or Russia who’s system is designed for and by atheists. They seem to be doing sooo well.


72 posted on 12/29/2009 12:36:37 PM PST by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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To: Mr. Silverback

The atheist said: “Limbaugh endorsed Carlson for governor...”

Mr. Silverback responded: “So he’s a godless liar. . . he lies about the endorsement, because Limbaugh doesn’t endorse candidates.”

Michelle Malkin begs to differ with you: “One glimmer of sunshine for the GOP was an end-of-summer rally in which talk-show giant Rush Limbaugh endorsed Republican gubernatorial candidate John Carlson.”
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin092500.asp

Disagree with the atheist on the pledge, but get your facts straight. Whether you want to apologize for your false accusation is up to you.


73 posted on 12/29/2009 9:55:53 PM PST by painefull
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To: painefull

Already dealt with upthread.

Welcome to FR.


74 posted on 12/29/2009 11:09:53 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right, we're free, we'll fight and you'll see!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Until the pledge is restored to its inclusive pre-1954 verbiage, I would like to see the Issaquah School District remove the pledge from any school activities including board meetings and classroom recitation. The pledge of allegiance is an oath of loyalty to the United States of America, a country. It is NOT an oath of allegiance to any god or religion. The words “under God” were added to the pledge during the McCarthy era when people were freaked out about communism and adding the words “under God” was considered a method to distinguish the US from the “commie-lovers” in Russia. Those two words should never have been added to the pledge.

A pledge of loyalty to one’s country should be inclusive to everyone living in that country. There are many in the United States who do not believe in the existence of a god. Asking them to acknowledge the existence of a god as a prerequisite to pledging loyalty to their country is highly inappropriate.


75 posted on 12/30/2009 8:38:47 AM PST by Reader2010
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To: Reader2010
Welcome to FR.

The words “under God” were added to the pledge during the McCarthy era when people were freaked out about communism and adding the words “under God” was considered a method to distinguish the US from the “commie-lovers” in Russia. Those two words should never have been added to the pledge.

Ah, so you've fallen for the usual "Shooting the Fifties in a Barrel/Red Scare" leftspew. This trope would have us believe that America was going along as a utopia of "inclusiveness" where atheists ran as free as the wild mustang, were as popular as John Wayne and regarded as Yankee Doodle Dandy paragons of patriotism. But then the eeeeeeeeeeeeevil Joe McCarthy strode onto the scene and persecuted them, and ever since we have forgotten our atheist-loving heritage, and also tend to buy shopping carts filled with butter and smoke pipes, or something like that.

Horse hockey!

Though I'm sure the rise of the Cold War had a part to play in this, the bottom line is that the pledge was changed because a country where everyone had universally accepted the idea that we are a nation that owes allegiance to God was seeing rejection of God and a push for secularization. Fear was not the motivator, but a desire to remind people what the Founders had put in place.

Oh, and BTW..."freaked out" about Communism? Yeah, gee, why would anybody worry about a system whose flagship nation was building a large nuclear arsenal and huge conventional army and air force and had slaughtered tens of millions of innocent people within its own borders in a few short decades? And if a couple of years after the pledge was changed the commander-in-chief of that large new nuclear arsenal was pledging to bury us? No problem there....guess people were just uptight because they weren't having enough sex.

A pledge of loyalty to one’s country should be inclusive to everyone living in that country.

A pledge of loyalty to a country should be a pledge to the purpose for which that country was founded. Multiculti shinola is not what a loyalty pledge is about.

There are many in the United States who do not believe in the existence of a god.

Yes, and therefore they live in a country where the first President spent a portion of his farewell address warning the people that morality could not be separated from religion, and neither could be separated from good government. A country where the third President, a Deist, gave money right out of the Treasury to Christian missionaries with Congressional approval. A country whose sixteenth President called it a nation "under God," a country whose Civil War was described by that same President in his Second Inaugural Address as an obvious judgment from God for mistreatment of humans He had created.

There is nothing in our national character or practice that will, or should, hold you back from believing there is no God or gods, from believing something "by reason" that would require omniscience, but to expect the rest of us to dance to that tune is to expect us to deny the national character in a profound fingers-in-ears-LA-LA-LA-I-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU fashion. It would be like being an Israeli citizen and expecting people to pretend there's no connection between Israel and Judaism. It would be like being born an Englishman and expecting to ban tea, or a native Frenchman campaigning to ban wine.

Asking them to acknowledge the existence of a god as a prerequisite to pledging loyalty to their country is highly inappropriate.

So is expecting you to spend money marked "In God We Trust," I suppose. Mount a protest...refuse to take any more of that tainted cash. Show us the moral superiority of your ways.

76 posted on 12/30/2009 2:03:21 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right, we're free, we'll fight and you'll see!)
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To: timestax

bttt


77 posted on 01/04/2010 10:23:47 AM PST by timestax (CNNLIES..BIG TIME)
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