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Avatar may have broken box-office records, but itís still a turkey
London Times Online (U.K.) ^ | December 29, 2009 | Natalie Haynes

Posted on 12/29/2009 1:37:32 AM PST by Schnucki

It is a children’s film dragged out to 162 minutes

Cinema history has been made in America. Box-office takings hit a new record of $275 million over the Christmas weekend, largely because of Avatar. Unless you have been living in a small cave, or perhaps on Pandora, the planet where the film is set, you cannot have missed the Avatar marketing campaign.

Every billboard and bus is sporting a picture of a blue fella with a yellow eye. Every newspaper has run a story on how this is the film that will finally revolutionise 3-D cinema (a full 55 years after The Creature from the Black Lagoon waved his webbed paw slightly nearer an audience’s face than previous technology allowed). And the marketing has worked — audiences have been flocking to see James Cameron’s first movie since Titanic came out in 1997.

So it’s a pity that Avatar absolutely sucks. It’s true that the 3-D stuff is awesome. For the first time, we have a 3-D film that doesn’t have a random scene with a ping-pong ball (House of Wax), a rake (Friday the 13th, Part III), or a woman having sex with a lamp (The Stewardesses), purely to show the audience how 3-D it is.

Avatar isn’t in 3-D for a gimmick, it’s in 3-D because it creates an immersive experience for the viewer. Pandora feels touchably real; it appears to stretch out around you, in minute detail, in every direction.

But that’s where the good stuff ends. Avatar is, in essence, a children’s film, dragged out over 162 minutes. The plot is risibly thin: evil earthlings (Americans, obviously. Period drama has evil Brits, present- day drama has evil Arabs, but in the future, Americans are the villains) are trying to destroy the woodland habitat of the tree-hugging Na’vi.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: avatar; boxoffice; hollywood; moviereview

1 posted on 12/29/2009 1:37:32 AM PST by Schnucki
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To: Schnucki

Dances with Smurfs, as imagined by Al Gore, Robert Mugabe, and the EnvironNazis on LSD.


2 posted on 12/29/2009 1:44:22 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: Schnucki

I fell asleep after two hours of preposterous EnvironNazi pontificating.


3 posted on 12/29/2009 1:45:16 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H. L. Menken.)
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To: Schnucki

I agree: AVATAR had great 3 D special effects, but the plot was straight out of the Leftard Propaganda Playbook Number 101 - America and technology are EVIL; a barbaric society in tune with nature is GOOD. What absolute CRAP!

Also, there is the hypocrite thing: Comrade Cameron and Company made millions thanks to technology and capitalism.

I wish all of these ignorant Leftards who worship the primitive leave our society and live with the head hunters out in the jungle.

Come to think of it: This would be the Final Solution to the Progressive Problem.


4 posted on 12/29/2009 1:50:43 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: Schnucki
Unless you have been living in a small cave, or perhaps on Pandora, the planet where the film is set, you cannot have missed the Avatar marketing campaign.

I've missed it and I don't live in a small cave nor do I live on Pandora, whatever that is.

I watch very little TV and thus, am exposed to little of the marketing propaganda that comes out of Hollyweird.

5 posted on 12/29/2009 1:52:55 AM PST by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: Schnucki

What present-day dramas have evil Arabs? They usually trade them in for Russian neo-Nazis or some rot.

As for Avatar? Never. I didn’t like the previews before I knew it was propaganda, and I’m not inclined to give Cameron any more money after Titanic.


6 posted on 12/29/2009 1:55:17 AM PST by Rastus
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To: Schnucki

Interesting. I did not get the same thing out of the movie that you did, apparently. I enjoyed it and its message of anti-narcissistic, personal responsibility.


7 posted on 12/29/2009 2:13:37 AM PST by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: Schnucki

I had never heard of the movie, until I saw some blurb on Drudge last week.


8 posted on 12/29/2009 2:19:31 AM PST by AlexW (Now in the Philippines . Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: Schnucki

Is there a Bush and Cheney character?


10 posted on 12/29/2009 2:32:44 AM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: Schnucki
But how rare could it be? We can probably assume it’s pretty hard to find because Cameron, in a screenwriting moment that must surely have been the consequence of a lost bet, named the mineral unobtainium. Yes, you read that right. Unobtainium.

It is a relatively old term used to describe a material that would solve a difficult engineering problem if it were available.

Unobtainium

11 posted on 12/29/2009 2:43:39 AM PST by Pontiac
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To: Schnucki

I’ve noticed over the years the more hype and publicity a movie has the worse it is.


12 posted on 12/29/2009 2:45:47 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Schnucki

It shows you where the public is going when a cartoon make box office records,must be Obama voters.


13 posted on 12/29/2009 2:49:43 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Schnucki
If evolution works, this movie is pushing us toward a future of bigger eyes and smaller brains.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

14 posted on 12/29/2009 2:52:35 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: South40

I am proud to say that I too have missed the Avatar propaganda. The only place I’ve even heard about the film is being discussed/critiqued on talk radio. No broadcast TV here... I block all internet ads... will go to a bar if I wish to watch a football game...

No wonder the leftist propaganda has a hard time contaminating my brain. The only place I’m in danger of hearing it is in church, and there I choose wisely.


15 posted on 12/29/2009 3:40:03 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: Dallas59
Is there a Bush and Cheney character?

They don't need to name the characters 'Busha' or 'Chenie'. The idea is the humans with their military might try to invade and control a 'peaceful' society that happens to sit on abundant resources.

16 posted on 12/29/2009 3:51:16 AM PST by paudio (Road to hell is paved by unintended consequences of good intentions)
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To: Schnucki

I don’t like it when writers pull out the old insult,”you must be living in a cave if you haven’t heard of such-and-such”. Those of us who have greater intelligence and will power than such writers are quite capable of refusing to be exposed to such things without having to flee to a cave. Also, I have very rarely ever given the left-wing propaganda empire of Hollywood any of my money.


17 posted on 12/29/2009 4:00:30 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Schnucki

The ever weakening Dollar will continue to help many more movies break records in the future.


18 posted on 12/29/2009 4:04:33 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Schnucki

I saw this movie over the weekend. I drove 40 minutes to see it in a theater with good equipment and comfortable seating.

Visually the film is stunning. Worth the price of admission on technical merits alone.

Everything else is a 2D comic book. There is no depth to the characters. The plot is simple and predictable. Much like Titanic, you know how it is going to end before the opening credits. There are no plot twists or sub plots. On the drive home, I was hard pressed to remember the names of any of the characters. If only half as much attention had been paid to the story as to the effects, this movie would be a lock for “Best Picture”.


19 posted on 12/29/2009 4:14:19 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Bread and Circuses)
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To: Schnucki

I took the grown kids Sunday evening. Expensive, being in 3D, and the popcorn and drinks added to the expense.

The movie didn’t suck - it was just the same old story in a new wrapper.

I’d give it and OK, 3 out of 5 stars.


20 posted on 12/29/2009 4:16:12 AM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: PeteB570; All

Go see The Blind Side instead. Well worth the price of admission.

I don’t go to movies much since no need to endure anti-Amerian hollywood tripe.

But Blind Side - which is based on a true story - with Sandra Bullock - is simply wonderful.


21 posted on 12/29/2009 4:22:03 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Ronald Reagan: If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,then we'll be a nation gone under.")
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To: Schnucki

Who is going to see this movie? Science fiction fans? Twelve or thirteen year old girls who think it is some kind of “love” story?


22 posted on 12/29/2009 5:10:16 AM PST by AceMineral (Manos? Hands of Fate.)
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To: paudio

“They don’t need to name the characters ‘Busha’ or ‘Chenie’.”

Indeed, by letting the characters use terms like “shock and awe” “counter-insurgency” “preemption” etc. most adult members of the audience picked up on the code and quickly figured out they were watching a replay of Iraq, where the U.S. allegedly brutalized the local population and sacrificed its own blood and treasure in pursuit of oil (”blood for oil”).

That this cartoonish version of the war in Iraq inconveniently did NOT culminate in the U.S. takeover of Iraqi oil assets (calling into sharp question the accuracy of the worldview of that war’s most vitriolic opponents) apparently failed to affect James Cameron’s deeply ideological (and likely partisan) views about the U.S. and its role in the world. Instead of viewing the Iraq war as a
gift of liberation to tens of millions who had been brutalized for many years by a dictator, progressives like Cameron will always frame it as a war in which we exploited Iraq in pursuit of corporate interests. It is hard to imagine most Americans feeling prouder of their country after viewing Avatar, and sadly, I believe that is part of the director’s not so subtle intent in creating this film.


23 posted on 12/29/2009 5:13:14 AM PST by DrC
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To: Schnucki

Who has watched this film? A surprising number of freepers who should know better. Patronizing and enabling a big-time lib propaganda maker because of their thirst for 2 hours of entertainment. And who aren’t willing to lift a finger doing the practical steps required to starve the lib system, even a tiny one.

They might have well bought ten copies of the NY Times.


24 posted on 12/29/2009 5:17:30 AM PST by qwertypie
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To: The Comedian

If liberalism works,it is pushing us toward a future of bigger eyes and smaller brains..............


25 posted on 12/29/2009 5:18:13 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama - The first ever elected lame duck..............)
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To: Dallas59
Is there a Bush and Cheney character?

nah, but there's a SSgt Barnes from Platoon/Col. Nathan Jessup from "A Few Good Men"...there's a litany of other cliches including the obligatory macho hispanic chick that flies choppers, the sensitive Indian (dot not feather) and the chain smoking female that is more macho than the Marines.... and on and on..

Pocahontas with the talking tree/ Dances with Wolves with the soldier going native after banging the hot native girl/ yawn.... had to take the teen agers so I went to see what they were watching. The propaganda is subtle enough to get by my 7th grader, my 9th grade boy thought it was "lame", the 11th grade girls liked the love story but "yeah, we see how the earth guys were made bad and the soldiers weren't like grandpa"....so it was a wash. I fell asleep during part of the 8 hour fight sequences... but it only felt like 8 minutes.... underwater.

26 posted on 12/29/2009 6:14:15 AM PST by erman
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To: Ronbo1948
I agree: AVATAR had great 3 D special effects, but the plot was straight out of the Leftard Propaganda Playbook Number 101 - America and technology are EVIL; a barbaric society in tune with nature is GOOD. What absolute CRAP!

The left uses propoganda with virtuoso-like skill. They use a technological hook---state of the art 3D filmmaking---to draw people in to a movie that seeks to indoctrinate them with leftist ideology.

Until lovers of liberty find the means to counter such projects, we'll be fighting with one hand tied behind our backs.

27 posted on 12/29/2009 6:39:55 AM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: Huck

This is the paradox of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution - To allow exercise of an unrestricted freedom of speech is to allow those who would destroy the First Amendment and the Republic the ability to organize, form parties and use propaganda to advance their cause.

Lincoln’s way around the paradox was to say, “The Consitution is not a suicide pact.” In other words, the freedom of speech is not absolute and cannot be used to overthrow the Republic.

Therefore, I say Hollywood should be banned from the production of propaganda movies UNLESS said motion picture is advertised as “PP” - Propaganda Picture.


28 posted on 12/29/2009 7:21:10 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: Schnucki

Avatar took about $75 million, which is a large 2nd-week number, and beat 1st-run movies for the weekend.

It’s total take is still below “New Moon” though. :-)


29 posted on 12/29/2009 7:38:52 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Ronbo1948

I take the opposite view. The political “right”—conservatives and libertarians—should be engaged in the propoganda war. The right seems oblivious to the strategic importance of art, literature, music, movies, etc. They have left the entire field to the left. Same goes with the education industry. Our side needs to establish and maintain a presence in these arenas. We’re not even in the fight.


30 posted on 12/29/2009 7:39:13 AM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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To: SeaDragon

LOL, another one.


31 posted on 12/29/2009 7:57:40 AM PST by RikaStrom (Pray for Obama - Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his place of leadership.")
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To: Schnucki

My husband and I MIGHT see it when it hits our local cineplex cheap theater and I can get coupons for $1 admissions. I don’t think Cameron and Hollywood will get much profit from that.


32 posted on 12/29/2009 8:13:45 AM PST by Albertafriend
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To: Schnucki

If you’ve seen Dances with Wolves, Matrix, Braveheart and Last Samuri you’ve seen Avatar without the CGI.


33 posted on 12/29/2009 8:20:40 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: FormerACLUmember

34 posted on 12/29/2009 8:48:16 AM PST by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: qwertypie

I consider “Avatar” the movie to be about the same as “Obama” the candidate. All special effects and no substance and yet many people warned still reward the media for fooling them.

I consider the “Visually it was a great movie but the plot was leftist crap” by those who spent money to see it the same as “Historically it is great we have elected an African American but we didn’t think he would be so much a leftist” from those who may of voted for him or didn’t vote against him.

D.W. Griffith “Birth of a Nation” or Leni Riefenstahl “Triumph of the Will” is about the same class of great artistic masterpiece yet work of propaganda.


35 posted on 12/29/2009 11:08:38 AM PST by Swiss (Reality don't seem real anymore)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Dances with smurfs in the Matrix with a little Braveheart and Last Samuri tossed in.


36 posted on 12/29/2009 6:00:18 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Schnucki
I agree, it is a children's film; on the same order as the vacuous car-chase-and-explosion films only with vivid colors and techno-geek trappings so appealing to the emotionally arrested.

Technological saavy cannot redeem a turkey of a film, no matter how much it tries.

I disagree with most critics, who characterize the film as a "greenie" manifesto. The film actually denigrates Western European (most notably, American) culture and heritage. The straw men it creates are stunning and obvious. But most of the unwashed masses will lap it up as gospel.

37 posted on 12/30/2009 4:47:17 AM PST by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: qwertypie
Who has watched this film? A surprising number of freepers who should know better.

Being one of those not tuned into the inane pop-culture conversation that pervades society, I really didn't know the underlying message in this film, only that it was a ground-breaking technological wonder. Had I known then what I know after seeing it, I could be $10 richer now (and Cameron could be $10 poorer.)

38 posted on 12/30/2009 4:57:33 AM PST by fwdude (It is not the liberals who will destroy this country, but the "moderates.")
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To: Schnucki

This movie is great. It creates the same kind of emotional effect as did the original Star Wars and Lord of the Rings.

People should not jump to the conclusion that it is an anti-conservative film, or that it somehow tries to or succeeds in portraying America in a bad light.

Just watch the film, and enjoy. Worth seeing twice.


39 posted on 01/01/2010 9:14:41 AM PST by Tax Government (Democrats: dealers in economic crack.)
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To: Tax Government

If one is looking for possible subtext messages in Avatar, here are two: 1) unbridled (American) militarism in pursuit of commercial interests is bad; 2) the people risk being crushed. I think both are true, but 2 dominates. The elaboration is that WE, conservatives, are the group most like Avatar’s native people, and are at risk of being crushed by government.

Therefore, imo, the dominant message in Avatar is supportive of and harmonizes with conservative values.


40 posted on 01/01/2010 4:34:37 PM PST by Tax Government (Democrats: dealers in economic crack.)
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To: Huck
The left uses propoganda with virtuoso-like skill. They use a technological hook---state of the art 3D filmmaking---to draw people in to a movie that seeks to indoctrinate them with leftist ideology.

I saw the movie yesterday, and your post was my thoughts exactly upon walking out.

41 posted on 01/01/2010 9:34:35 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: AFPhys
No wonder the leftist propaganda has a hard time contaminating my brain. The only place I’m in danger of hearing it is in church, and there I choose wisely.

You attend a church that you have to filter through leftist propaganda? Why? Or did I misunderstand your post?

42 posted on 01/06/2010 11:09:43 AM PST by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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