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Vt. Judge: Birth Mom Must Give Child To Ex-Partner [Have We Gone Mad?]
Sacramento Bee ^ | December 29, 2009 | Wilson Ring

Posted on 12/29/2009 10:40:34 AM PST by Steelfish

Vt. Judge: Birth Mom Must Give Child To Ex-Partner

By WILSON RING Associated Press Writer Dec. 29, 2009

MONTPELIER, Vt. -- The birth mother of a 7-year-old Virginia girl must transfer custody of the child to the woman's former lesbian partner, a Vermont judge has ruled.

Vermont Family Court Judge William Cohen ordered Lisa Miller of Winchester, Va., to turn over daughter Isabella to Janet Jenkins of Fair Haven at 1 p.m. Friday at the Virginia home of Jenkins' parents.

Miller and Jenkins were joined in a Vermont civil union in 2000. Isabella was born to Miller through artificial insemination in 2002. The couple broke up in 2003, and Miller moved to Virginia, renounced homosexuality and became an evangelical Christian.

In the Dec. 22 order denying Miller's request to delay the transfer of Isabella, Cohen wrote: "It appears that Ms. Miller has ceased contact with her attorneys and disappeared with the minor child."

Liberty Counsel attorneys who have represented Miller in the past did not immediately respond to telephone messages left Tuesday by The Associated Press.

A listing for Lisa Miller in Winchester, Va., says the phone line has been temporarily disconnected at the customer's request.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Vermont; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2sick4words; christians; custody; exgays; homosexualadoption; homosexualagenda; horrible; ruling
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1 posted on 12/29/2009 10:40:34 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Is Butch Jenkins name on the birth certificate?


2 posted on 12/29/2009 10:42:51 AM PST by DLfromthedesert (Diversity kills)
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To: Steelfish

How does this happen? Transferring a child to a non-related person other than thru the child protective services.


3 posted on 12/29/2009 10:42:51 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Steelfish

WE haven’t gone mad, but the government has.


4 posted on 12/29/2009 10:43:41 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Steelfish

I guess the sins of the mother WILL be visited upon her child. She’ll be able to think about it for a long time.


5 posted on 12/29/2009 10:43:44 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Steelfish

Well, you gays wanted “marriage.” Welcome to the wonderful world of courtrooms settling your disputes and insane pronouncements of anti-Christian liberal judges.


6 posted on 12/29/2009 10:44:02 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: Steelfish

[Have We Gone Mad?]

Yes. A least SOME of us.


7 posted on 12/29/2009 10:44:19 AM PST by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Steelfish

How, exactly does a Vermont court enforce its order on a Virginia resident, in Virginia?


8 posted on 12/29/2009 10:45:05 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Steelfish

The only one I feel sorry for is the little girl. Mommy vs that other lesbian and mommy lost.


9 posted on 12/29/2009 10:46:09 AM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Steelfish

She should just take her kid and disappear. Problem solved. Then next time...marry a man.


10 posted on 12/29/2009 10:47:17 AM PST by New Yawk Minute
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To: Steelfish

Backwards marriage results in backwards custody.


11 posted on 12/29/2009 10:48:57 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Steelfish

ROFLOL - they should have heeded the axiom, “Be careful of what you wish for”. They are now reaping the rewards for wanting their lifestyle choice to include the right of marriage.


12 posted on 12/29/2009 10:49:00 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: driftdiver

This is what happens when you play mommy and daddy. At the time I bet the birth mother thought they were hip and cool. Now it sounds like she might be a fugitive and will loose all rights to see her child if caught.


13 posted on 12/29/2009 10:49:44 AM PST by soupbone1
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To: Steelfish

What can you expect from Vermont?They’re STILL trying to impeach Nixon up there!


14 posted on 12/29/2009 10:50:03 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: Steelfish

Well, I’d disconnect my phone and go on the lam too. That court order does not deserve respect.


15 posted on 12/29/2009 10:50:09 AM PST by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: Steelfish

So the birth mother (former lesbian) has to give up HER child to a lesbian and the Vermont and Virginia supreme courts both issued the same ruling? They say it’s like hetero where the husband gets custody. What a stretch. Does the fact that the birth mother carried this child have any effect on the ruling. Common sense????


16 posted on 12/29/2009 10:50:10 AM PST by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July, democrats believe every day is April 15)
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To: Steelfish
The lesbo shouldn't have pissed off the judge.

"It appears that Ms. Miller has ceased contact with her attorneys and disappeared with the minor child."

17 posted on 12/29/2009 10:50:34 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Steelfish

The problem here is that Miller screwed up royally.

She entered into the Lesbian marriage.

She left the relationship.

She refused to abide by the court order allowing Jenkins visitation.

She fled with the child.

Miller was awarded custody. All she had to do was abide by the visitation ordered by the court.

Look, the judge didn’t set up this mess. The child is being removed from Miller, because Miller refused to follow the guidelines set down by the court and fled with the child.

No custodial parent gets away with that, if visitation has been granted to the non-custodial parent.

I don’t like Jenkins getting the child, but Miller is the one responsible for the outcome.


18 posted on 12/29/2009 10:51:19 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: Steelfish

I thought that Virginia was exploring whether they had to make her honor an order from Vermont since she’s a non-resident.


19 posted on 12/29/2009 10:51:19 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Steelfish

hey, they’re the ones who insisted upon screwing around with the traditional definitions of marriage and family


20 posted on 12/29/2009 10:51:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: driftdiver
"Transferring a child to a non-related person other than thru the child protective services."

The very short story leaves out some very relevant facts. For instance, does VT law allow for same-sex adoption? It probably does, which begs the question, did this "spousal partner" legally adopt her non-biological child? If she did, she's in a VERY strong legal position, a position that would likely be upheld on appeal. If she didn't, she still may have a strong position giving the VT homosexual marriage laws. I'm not familiar with VT, and I don't even know if such laws exist in VT.

But, to answer your specific question, even child protective services can't "transfer custody". That can only be done with a judge, utilizing the principles of due process. In all the states that I'm familiar, CPS may only temporarily remove a child from a parent's custody, FWIW.

21 posted on 12/29/2009 10:51:33 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: soupbone1

Forget that its a lesbian couple. They took a child from a biological parent and awarded custody to a non-biological person. From what I’ve read there was no abuse by the mother.

How does that happen?


22 posted on 12/29/2009 10:51:33 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Steelfish
The couple broke up in 2003, and Miller (the birthmother) moved to Virginia, renounced homosexuality and became an evangelical Christian.

Well THAT explains everything.

23 posted on 12/29/2009 10:53:33 AM PST by fullchroma (Obama: GET OUT OF MY DOCTOR'S OFFICE!)
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To: SoldierDad

Why would you laugh at a child being given to a person that it’s not related to and never bothered with the child until a “gay” organization told her to fight for custody. How is that funny? The child was in counseling because of court ordered/forced visits. Where’s the humor?


24 posted on 12/29/2009 10:54:21 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

There is always room for forgiveness. Now, that the birth Mom is Christian and has irrevocably renounced the perverted homosexual lifestyle, why isn’t she being rewarded with the full and complete custody of her own child? This is a world gone mad. Why aren’t these judges simply sacked off the bench?


25 posted on 12/29/2009 10:54:36 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: New Yawk Minute

“She should just take her kid and disappear.”

That’s a great idea!

She takes the baby to deny the lesbian parent custody of the baby. That would of course get the FBI involved and then Ms. Miller would be looking at a kidnapping change and will be out of prison just in time for her child’s 25th birthday.


26 posted on 12/29/2009 10:54:43 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: DoughtyOne

I don’t understand how the courts consider Jenkins a parent at all, since she has neither a biological nor an adoptive relationship with the child.


27 posted on 12/29/2009 10:55:59 AM PST by nina0113
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To: driftdiver
"They took a child from a biological parent and awarded custody to a non-biological person."

It happens every day in America in cases of children who are either born to a legally married couple, but that couple uses a surrogate or a sperm donor - in which case, either only one or even none of the legal parents are the biological parents.

28 posted on 12/29/2009 10:56:11 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: WayneS
How, exactly does a Vermont court enforce its order on a Virginia resident, in Virginia?

Because the Virginia Supreme Court, ruled incredibly that the Vermont Court decision held sway & takes precedence over the Virginia court.

Our country is truly gone beserk, with the liberal dumb ass courts & dumb ass liberal politicians doing everything they can to destroy our country and our foundations of Christian, patriotic values & principles. I hope the mother realizes that the politically beserk courts will do all they can to promote the homosexual/lesbian agenda, and that she along with her daughter need to disappear & go into hiding.

29 posted on 12/29/2009 10:56:21 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: DoughtyOne

“I don’t like Jenkins getting the child, but Miller is the one responsible for the outcome.”

Hear,hear. Glad this lady found Christ, but He didn’t say we only have to obey the laws we like. Happy New Year, DO.

Colonel, USAFR


30 posted on 12/29/2009 10:56:26 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I’m laughing at what the two so-called “adults” are doing to each other, not what is happening to the child - sorry, but these two people are getting what they asked for - the child is caught in the middle, unfortunately.


31 posted on 12/29/2009 10:57:06 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: trumandogz

Only if they find her.


32 posted on 12/29/2009 10:57:24 AM PST by New Yawk Minute
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To: OldDeckHand
For instance, does VT law allow for same-sex adoption? It probably does, which begs the question, did this "spousal partner" legally adopt her non-biological child?

It does, and she didn't.

33 posted on 12/29/2009 10:58:07 AM PST by nina0113
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To: OldDeckHand

“It happens every day in America in cases of children who are either born to a legally married couple, but that couple uses a surrogate or a sperm donor - in which case, either only one or even none of the legal parents are the biological parents”

Dating myself, but “It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature” comes to mind.

Colonel, USAFR


34 posted on 12/29/2009 10:58:26 AM PST by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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To: New Yawk Minute

Oh, they will find her.

And when they do, they will charge her with kidnapping.


35 posted on 12/29/2009 11:00:15 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Steelfish

I kissed a girl, and liked it.

I...wait

36 posted on 12/29/2009 11:00:31 AM PST by chris37
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To: OldDeckHand

Is this the case where the little girl was very uncomfortable visiting Jenkins because she was pushing lesbo stuff on her?


37 posted on 12/29/2009 11:01:10 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: DoughtyOne

The last article that I read stated the birth Mom did abide by the ordered visitation and that the child started having problems so Mom stopped the visitation. The lesbian filed for custody on the advice of a gay group. She’d not maintained any contact previous to that, no cards, no visits, no phone calls. The last I heard, it was being explored as to whether Virginia had to abide by a Vermonts court order.


38 posted on 12/29/2009 11:02:01 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Steelfish

Well, there is one option for this....we cannot speak such evil on this forum due to the VT. judge, so I won’t.


39 posted on 12/29/2009 11:02:23 AM PST by PAMadMax (Islam is a disease....)
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To: Steelfish

ping


40 posted on 12/29/2009 11:02:49 AM PST by celmak
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To: New Yawk Minute
Only if they find her.

And we all know what a great job the feds have been doing with their search for Whitey Bulger.

41 posted on 12/29/2009 11:02:54 AM PST by massmike (...So this is what happens when OJ's jury elects the president....)
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To: SoldierDad

Unfortunately, an innocent little girl is also reaping the rewards of these women wanting their lifestyle choice to include the right of marriage.


42 posted on 12/29/2009 11:03:13 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: driftdiver
They took a child from a biological parent and awarded custody to a non-biological person.

Not so fast!

Typically, the way these couples arrange this is the birth mother is NOT the biological mother. They have the fertilized egg of one partner implanted in the other partner.

43 posted on 12/29/2009 11:03:20 AM PST by papertyger (Representation without taxation is tyranny!)
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To: SoldierDad

Yeah. Let’s laugh. Mom’s awakening and repentance means absolutely scratch.


44 posted on 12/29/2009 11:03:23 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: nina0113
"It does, and she didn't. "

That makes it more complicated. Of course, this story - like so many legal stories - irritates me because it doesn't link to the relevant opinion by the judge. I'm curious what the relevant facts are, beyond the limited reporting, and the case and statutory law upon which the judge constructed his opinion.

45 posted on 12/29/2009 11:05:38 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: rcrngroup

I did not know that. Do you have a link at which I can see which of the Virginia justices ruled in favor of VT?.


46 posted on 12/29/2009 11:05:58 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Yes.


47 posted on 12/29/2009 11:06:57 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DoughtyOne

Agreed. A relative of mine refused to show up for her court date to settle visitation issue. The abusive ex-hubby got custody, thought there was never any doubt had she shown up she would have gotten full custody. The courts frown on no-shows. One might as well slap the judge in the face


48 posted on 12/29/2009 11:07:04 AM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: papertyger
Typically, the way these couples arrange this is the birth mother is NOT the biological mother. They have the fertilized egg of one partner implanted in the other partner.

If that is indeed the case, there are a whole lot of Freepers on this thread who are making a good argument that the child should be with her "Biological" Mother, Ms. Miller.

49 posted on 12/29/2009 11:07:48 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: papertyger

Ewwwwwwwwwwww.

For me, that falls into the category of Too Much Information.


50 posted on 12/29/2009 11:08:17 AM PST by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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