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Mormon Media Observer: Top 10 LDS newsmakers of 2009
Mormon Times ^ | Dec. 30, 2009 | Joel Campbell

Posted on 12/30/2009 1:32:39 PM PST by Colofornian

The Mormon Media Observer looks back at the year filled with LDS newsmakers. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., tops the list, based on a newsmaker's frequency in the news as well as the significance of their stories.

1. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nevada

The Senate Majority Leader led the battle to push through health reform in the Senate. News coverage of Reid made a household name and the divisive debate made him out to be both villain and saint. He may still face a tough battle in his home state of Nevada to save his seat.

On Christmas The New York Times wrote:

"WASHINGTON -- It was the pinnacle moment of his political career. The Senate majority leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, on the verge of making history by shepherding through far-reaching health care legislation, was called upon by the clerk to cast his vote. And Mr. Reid, who had fought tirelessly for months to get the health care bill adopted, looked up from his desk and said, "No." ...Mr. Reid's oh-no vote capped one of the more remarkable stretches in what is shaping up to be one of the more remarkable careers in American politics, characterized in no small part by the sheer inscrutability of much of what he says and does. In the end, of course, Congressional leaders are judged on one thing alone: whether they come up with the votes. And Mr. Reid -- the miner's son from Searchlight, Nev., the amateur boxer who worked his way through law school as a Capitol Hill police officer, who has a knack for mumbling and off-the-cuff gaffes -- had the votes."

2. Stephenie Meyer

The release of "New Moon" attracted media attention around the world. Here's a sampling of the some of the worldwide headlines: "New Moon takes biggest bite," "Vatican denounces the 'deviant' Twilight Movie," "Mormon who put new life into vampires."

The Sunday Mail of London wrote: "Her teenage vampire books outsell Harry Potter -- but she's a devout Mormon who lives modestly in Cave Creek, Ariz., and eats at the local burger joint. For a woman who has sold more than 85 million books and has been hailed as the new J. K. Rowling, it is a remarkably modest home. Set down a dusty dirt trail, the four-bedroom property blends seamlessly into the desert landscape -- low and sand-colored with just a few cacti for decoration. Only a high-tech camera and newly installed metal gates give some hint of the occupant's desire for privacy."

3. Elizabeth Smart

The young woman endured brutality and came to court this year to face her abuser, Brian David Mitchell. After attending Brigham Young University, she is preparing to serve a mission in France. She was named Utahn of the Year by the Salt Lake Tribune. The excellent tribute by Trib columnist Peg McEntee reads:

"She had wanted to confront Mitchell with her eyes and words, but, predictably, he sang his hymns and was removed from the courtroom. When it was over, Elizabeth Smart strode, tall and straight, into the rest of her life. For so many of us, her astonishing homecoming restored hope when there seemed to be none, and the knowledge that even terrible times can end, and end well. And she taught us this: Faith, whatever its source, can make amazing things happen."

4. Jon Huntsman Jr.

President Barack Obama named Utah's former governor U.S. Ambassador to China. He took his post in August. Huntsman played host to Obama during a visit to China in November. Chinese media lauded Obama for the choice for Huntsman's understanding of Chinese language and culture. Huntsman previously served a U.S. ambassador to Singapore.

5. Orrin Hatch

Sen. Orrin Hatch was a key opponent to health care reform and taken on foes like the Bowl Championship Series. He also played a role in honoring the Sen. Edward Kennedy at his death. Over the years, the pair made an interesting senatorial odd couple. Along with speaking at Kennedy's memorial service, Hatch penned this piece in Newsweek. He also penned a Hanukkah song which was both complimented and parodied on "The Tonight Show."

6. Glenn Beck

The firebrand talk show host continued to attract attention on his national radio and TV shows, through his books and in the news media. The picture of Beck sticking his tongue out made it on the cover of Time magazine and parodied on several comedy shows. Here was Time's assessment:

"Glenn Beck: the pudgy, buzz-cut, weeping phenomenon of radio, TV and books. Our hot summer of political combat is turning toward an autumn of showdowns over some of the biggest public-policy initiatives in decades. The creamy notions of postpartisan cooperation -- poured abundantly over Obama's presidential campaign a year ago -- have curdled into suspicion and feelings of helplessness. Trust is a toxic asset, sitting valueless on the national books. Good faith is trading at pennies on the dollar. "

7. Mitt Romney

Emboldened by conservative supporters, Romney is keeping his eyes on 2012 presidential prize. Romney has been delivering a lot of keynoters and political endorsements around the nation and is getting ready to launch a book-promotion tour. A National Public Radio blog recent said this about who is a GOP frontrunner for 2012:

"Answer: No one so far. Mitt Romney, the venture capitalist and former governor of Massachusetts who ran a pretty good campaign in 2008, remains the class of the field but kept a low profile in 2009. Mike Huckabee led in some polls of Republicans that also found Sarah Palin popular. But Huckabee ended the year uncertain about running (and damaged by a clemency scandal from his days as Arkansas governor). Romney remains too much a general election candidate, a problem for the Democrats to be sure but far from the average Republican activist's cup of tea. His past positions on social issues were too styled to Massachusetts, and his Mormonism still leaves the party's religious base lukewarm at best."

8. Max Hall

BYU football quarterback Hall got his 15 minutes of national fame after the BYU-Utah football game when he said: "I don't like Utah. In fact, I hate them," Hall said. "I hate everything about them. I hate their program. I hate their fans, I hate everything. ... I think the whole university, their fans and their organization, is classless." He later issued an apology and was sanctioned by the Mountain West Conference.

9. John Yettaw

The Missouri man widely noted in international media for his Mormon faith was held for a time in a Burmese prison charged with crime related to a swim across a lake to one of the world's best-known democracy figures, Aung San Suu Kyi. He left Myanmar with a U.S. senator. Despite his good intentions, Yettaw gave an unfortunate impression of Mormons to the world.

10. Michael Otterson

He was the spokesman behind the LDS Church statement at the Salt Lake City council meeting in early November that appears to be changing the politics in Utah for gays.

"The Church supports these ordinances because they are fair and reasonable and do not do violence to the institution of marriage. They are also entirely consistent with the Church's prior position on these matters. The Church remains unequivocally committed to defending the bedrock foundation of marriage between a man and a woman. I represent a church that believes in human dignity, in treating others with respect even when we disagree -- in fact, especially when we disagree."


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So of these 10, you have a...
...vampire author,
...vampire healthcare bill author,
...vampire healthcare bill guv,
...and a QB who 'hates' the University of Utah folks

From the column: A National Public Radio blog recent said this about who is a GOP frontrunner for 2012: "Answer: No one so far. Mitt Romney, the venture capitalist and former governor of Massachusetts who ran a pretty good campaign in 2008, remains the class of the field but kept a low profile in 2009. Mike Huckabee led in some polls of Republicans that also found Sarah Palin popular. But Huckabee ended the year uncertain about running (and damaged by a clemency scandal from his days as Arkansas governor). Romney remains too much a general election candidate, a problem for the Democrats to be sure but far from the average Republican activist's cup of tea. His past positions on social issues were too styled to Massachusetts, and his Mormonism still leaves the party's religious base lukewarm at best."

So, Romney's a Bay State social issues guy & doesn't appeal to the GOP religious base -- and moderates polled have said they are 11% less likely than conservatives to vote for a Mormon POTUS (& liberals are 9% less likely than conservatives). So how does that make him a "general election" candidate?

8. Max Hall BYU football quarterback Hall got his 15 minutes of national fame after the BYU-Utah football game when he said: "I don't like Utah. In fact, I hate them," Hall said. "I hate everything about them. I hate their program. I hate their fans, I hate everything. ... I think the whole university, their fans and their organization, is classless." He later issued an apology and was sanctioned by the Mountain West Conference.

9. John Yettaw ...Yettaw gave an unfortunate impression of Mormons to the world.

10. Michael Otterson He was the spokesman behind the LDS Church statement at the Salt Lake City council meeting in early November that appears to be changing the politics in Utah for gays. "The Church supports these ordinances because they are fair and reasonable and do not do violence to the institution of marriage. They are also entirely consistent with the Church's prior position on these matters. The Church remains unequivocally committed to defending the bedrock foundation of marriage between a man and a woman. I represent a church that believes in human dignity, in treating others with respect even when we disagree -- in fact, especially when we disagree."

OK, a man who employs 15 employees in his retail shop doesn't need to "show respect" to a cross-dressing employee by allowing him to represent his business in any "gender affinity" he chooses for that given day.

1 posted on 12/30/2009 1:32:40 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Mormons are definitely on the move -- I've had no less than 5 calls per day (excepting Sunday, of course) since 12/26 from "Mitt Romney for President" campaign.

Frustrated, finally I asked, politely for them to take me/us off their list.

2 posted on 12/30/2009 1:37:24 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Colofornian

But, But....they are all so nice!


3 posted on 12/30/2009 1:37:30 PM PST by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Colofornian

Why is this posted under religion?


4 posted on 12/30/2009 1:40:06 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande
Because we don't have a Forum entitled “Fantasy”...
5 posted on 12/30/2009 1:44:16 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Colofornian

Correction, Stephenie Meyer isn’t a vampire author, she instead, has destroyed the concept of the vampire in literature, turning into a whiny, zit faced, vegetarian, tween brat.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled two minutes of Mormon hating.


6 posted on 12/30/2009 1:50:04 PM PST by mnehring
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; ejonesie22; Godzilla; reaganaut
Emboldened by conservative supporters, Romney is keeping his eyes on 2012

There they go again, getting their information out of a hat!!

7 posted on 12/30/2009 2:34:22 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: LeGrande
Why is this posted under religion?

(May have something to do with "LDS" in the title)

8 posted on 12/30/2009 2:39:53 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: greyfoxx39

9 posted on 12/30/2009 2:46:27 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: greyfoxx39
Romney's a Conservative?

Huh, go figure...

10 posted on 12/30/2009 3:11:01 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Colofornian
(May have something to do with "LDS" in the title)

It wouldn't have anything to do with your inability to handle a little criticism would it?

11 posted on 12/30/2009 3:11:02 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: ejonesie22
Because we don't have a Forum entitled “Fantasy”...

It is odd what you consider fantasy to be. Do you think what BYU's quarterback said was fantasy?

What part of the article do you consider to be fantasy?

12 posted on 12/30/2009 3:13:48 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
Watch for this to be announced soon in the Mormon Times:

The LDS church announced today a new program granting emeritus status to members who fall outside of traditional activity.

“As the church continues to grow at a fast pace, many of its members find themselves unable to maintain church activity for a variety of reasons,” said spokesman Dan LeFevered. “Always sensitive to the needs of the members, the brethren have fasted and prayed for guidance and have been inspired to grant these nontraditional members ‘emeritus’ status.”

Currently, statistics are kept on those who do not attend a church meeting in a given quarter. From this point on, LeFevered explained, members who do not attend a meeting in a given quarter will be termed “members emeritus.”

Emeritus members will be counted as members in the annual statistical report, but they will not be counted towards activity rates.

“Isn’t it marvelous?” said church president Thomas S. Monson in a written statement. “Instantly we have the highest activity rate of any religion in the world: 100%.”

LeFevered explained that activity rates will be calculated from members who attend a meeting at least once quarterly, so in effect, all who are counted are considered active. And those who do not attend are considered “emeritus” and will not count.

When asked about those who resign their membership in the church, LeFevered responded, “We don’t think there’s a need for that drastic a step. Rather than go through the difficult process of writing a letter, members can simply choose to grant themselves emeritus status.”

LeFevered went on to say that the new program is retroactive to the beginning of the church. “We have sent out millions of letters to former members notifying them of the change to their status.”

Fred Pecker, professional anti-Mormon, reached by phone in Washington State, expressed outrage intially at the new policy. “Yeah, I got my letter welcoming me back into the kingdom. But I’ve been thinking about it. Maybe it’s time for me to come back, anyway. I’m going to call my bishop today.”

LeFevered explained that the new status would also take the place of disciplinary councils, which had been taking up too much of church leaders’ time. “It’s much easier for a stake president to click an ‘emeritus’ button on a computer than it is to convene a high council to try a case.”

He went on to say that leaders have wide discretion as to how to use emeritus status. “It could be for serious transgression, or it could just be to rein in people who are, you know, a little off.”

Food Sciences professor and FARMS contributor Daniel Midgley-Welch explained that this system has its roots in the Mosaic practice of counting membership by tribe and family, such that no one was left out. “We even see echoes of this in the census that played a prominent role in the Savior’s birth in Nazareth.”

Midgley-Welch expressed bewilderment that he and the entire staff at FARMS have received letters from the First Presidency granting them emeritus status. “Maybe they think we need more time to research the gospel. That’s just like the brethren, always thinking of us.”

“Yeah, sure, if that’s how they want to look at it,” said LeFevered.

All you exmormon FReepers be sure and let me know when you have received your notification of your emeritus status.

13 posted on 12/30/2009 3:20:57 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: LeGrande
Critique away. Actually, the religion section is a greater free-for-all than news articles. So if you wanna defend the Mormon vampire writer, or Harry Reid, or Max Hall's infamous hate quotes, or other notorious Mormons, have at it.
14 posted on 12/30/2009 3:21:01 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: LeGrande
Normally I would not respond to you past the initial post, waste of time, however the irony of mentioning BYU in any context when asking me what I consider fantasy is too delicious to pass without notice...

Ah, yes it is...

You may continue with your regular disruptive behavior now...

15 posted on 12/30/2009 3:30:21 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: ejonesie22

Mitt has conservative supporters? Go figure..of course mormons are conservative unless they are voting FOR a liberal mormon.


16 posted on 12/30/2009 3:48:18 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: mnehring
Only two minutes?


MORMON!!!

17 posted on 12/30/2009 4:47:28 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: LeGrande
Why is this posted under religion?

Dang!

The TITLE didn't show up for me; either!

Mormon Media Observer: Top 10 LDS newsmakers of 2009

18 posted on 12/30/2009 4:56:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

2. Stephenie Meyer

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Showing to the world that “Yes, families CAN be together forever, even if one of you is a soulless blood sucking fiend.”


19 posted on 12/30/2009 5:05:14 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - ""I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie

20 posted on 12/30/2009 5:10:05 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: monkapotamus

That is great!


21 posted on 12/30/2009 5:21:37 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - ""I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: 1rudeboy

Only two minutes?

- - - - - -
Only two minutes AT A TIME.

lather...rinse...repeat...lather...rinse...repeat...


22 posted on 12/30/2009 5:24:41 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - ""I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ejonesie22
Normally I would not respond to you past the initial post, waste of time, however the irony of mentioning BYU in any context when asking me what I consider fantasy is too delicious to pass without notice...

Hmm, you think it is a fantasy that the BYU quarterback hates the U? No wonder you are a born againer.

23 posted on 12/30/2009 6:13:06 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Colofornian
Critique away. Actually, the religion section is a greater free-for-all than news articles. So if you wanna defend the Mormon vampire writer, or Harry Reid, or Max Hall's infamous hate quotes, or other notorious Mormons, have at it.

LOL, your beliefs aren't founded in any type of reality are they? Religious threads are much more restrictive than News threads (less restrictive than forum threads though).

24 posted on 12/30/2009 6:25:34 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Elsie

Then why aren’t the Muslim terrorist threads under Religion?


25 posted on 12/30/2009 6:27:14 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: monkapotamus; Elsie

What are they doing? An update on the “Squire of Kolob”?


26 posted on 12/30/2009 9:52:46 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: LeGrande
Then why aren’t the Muslim terrorist threads under Religion?

Thank you for your contribution. Your comment has been submitted for review.

Hey!!

We don't run this place!

Besides; we all KNOW that the terrorist's RELIGION has NOTHING to do with their actions - just like MORMONs!

27 posted on 12/31/2009 5:52:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: 1rudeboy
No, I do not respect you. You spend far too much time here.

How did you KNOW??

28 posted on 12/31/2009 5:52:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
What are they doing? An update on the “Squire of Kolob”?

Perhaps...

29 posted on 12/31/2009 5:52:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
Thank you for your contribution. Your comment has been submitted for review.


How much longer do I have to fly with my hands in my lap?

30 posted on 12/31/2009 5:52:50 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mnehring

“We now return you to your regularly scheduled two minutes of Mormon hating.”

>>>>>

Most of the Mormon-haters around here rejoice in the Lord by attacking others and pointing out the faults of other, while covering up their own. You know, it’s that old “eye, mote, beam” thing.


31 posted on 12/31/2009 1:50:57 PM PST by urroner
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To: mnehring

“We now return you to your regularly scheduled two minutes of Mormon hating.”

>>>>>

Most of the Mormon-haters around here rejoice in the Lord by attacking others and pointing out the faults of other, while covering up their own. You know, it’s that old “eye, mote, beam” thing.


32 posted on 12/31/2009 1:51:05 PM PST by urroner
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To: urroner
Most of the Mormon-haters around here rejoice in the Lord by attacking others and pointing out the faults of other, while covering up their own. You know, it’s that old “eye, mote, beam” thing.

Poor, poor little persecuted mormons.....

Wash, rinse, repeat....

poor, poor little persecuted mormons...

Wash rinse, repeat....

persecuted

"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the ‘Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men."
-    Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, v. 3, p. 282


Apostle Bruce R. McConkie (1915 - 1985):

".the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization [Christianity], founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."

-    Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

“Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
-    Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46

“... all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ.... in large part the worship of apostate Christendom is performed in ignorance, as much so as was the worship of the Athenians who bowed the Unknown Gods.”
-    Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 269, 374-375

Prophet Ezra Taft Benson (1899 - 1994):



"This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth..."     
-    Prophet Ezra Taft Benson, Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 164-165

33 posted on 12/31/2009 2:05:08 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: greyfoxx39; urroner
That is particularly fitting considering “errorner” is the all mighty Mormon who was the one who teamed up with an agnostic in a lame attempt to poke fun at true Christians on that little game thread of his earlier this week.

Pathetic doesn't cover it, but that comes as no surprise, the LDS is nothing but a lame game anyways.

34 posted on 12/31/2009 3:51:49 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: ejonesie22
I think it's very interesting that they are excommunicating McConkie's work from the "daktrin"!

"One intriguing change, Witten says, is that all references to late apostle Bruce R. McConkie's quasi-authoritative book, Mormon Doctrine, have been excised."

35 posted on 12/31/2009 4:03:26 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: ejonesie22; greyfoxx39

Once again, much to our amusement, some “true” Christians attempt to disprove others while doing squat to show their light to the world. Once again, they continue their campaign of deprivation and degradation of others while showing no one that what they believe about Christ, truth, and salvation is true.

Sadly, I think that the latter will never be forthcoming. They are just so full of hate and self-loathing that they are not able to show anybody the love of Christ.


36 posted on 01/01/2010 4:40:23 AM PST by urroner
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To: urroner
Thus sayeth the guy who thinks he will become the god of his own planet...

Okey Dokey...

37 posted on 01/01/2010 5:50:05 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Colofornian

There are some angels and some demons on this list. Guess that would be true of any religion.
God bless patriots like Glenn Beck and those thousands who serve honorably without ever making the news.


38 posted on 01/01/2010 5:59:52 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

Do not use potty language on the Religion Forum.


40 posted on 01/01/2010 8:34:31 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: ejonesie22

Maybe I should use you as a prime example of a person who is only a hearer of the word only and not a doer.

All I have seen from you and your type is hate and anger. I guess if that is what “true” Christianity teaches and is all about, then you and yours are “true” examples of Christ-like love.

It’s also you type of “true” Christianity that drove my agnostic friend away from Christianity.

Many people think that Christ was talking about the Jews and Israel in Matthew 12:43-45, but I feel that he was really talking about those who claim to be “true” Christians and use hate to spread their beliefs.

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


41 posted on 01/01/2010 3:40:53 PM PST by urroner
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To: urroner
Call me when you can make me a kitty from scratch, god to be.

In the mean time continue to live up to you nick name, erroner, for I am both a hearer and a doer. One thing I do is defend Christ from the deformation your fantasy religion has created, as he and the apostles asked us to do.

42 posted on 01/01/2010 4:53:26 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: ejonesie22

You mock me, you mock my beliefs, and you rejoice in being mean and nasty. Not only do you mock me, but you mock all those who believe differently from you. Like I said, you are a prime example of what Christ has asked us not to be.

You are intolerant when it comes to others beliefs if they disagree with yours and if anybody attempts to show you that you are wrong or that they are right, your hate and venom is very obvious, even to the most casual observer.

Please, ejonesie22, continue to behave like a raving maniac for Christ because you are doing more good for what I believe and you are causing more damage to your side.

I guess you have never read that article, by two Evangelical scholars, about the poor and almost inexcusable way many Evangelicals are responding to the Mormon’s beliefs. They state very plainly that Evangelicals are losing the battle and they don’t even know it.

So, to sum up what I think about what you are doing and how you are doing, please, please, please, please keep on keeping on.


43 posted on 01/01/2010 8:48:35 PM PST by urroner
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To: urroner; ejonesie22
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

44 posted on 01/01/2010 9:07:47 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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Sorry, I’ll try not to do that in the future.

Sorry ej about making it personal.


45 posted on 01/01/2010 9:17:54 PM PST by urroner
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To: urroner

Still no kitty.


46 posted on 01/02/2010 3:17:10 AM PST by ejonesie22
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Of course.


47 posted on 01/02/2010 3:26:07 AM PST by ejonesie22
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I guess you have never read that article, by two Evangelical scholars, about the poor and almost inexcusable way many Evangelicals are responding to the Mormon’s beliefs. They state very plainly that Evangelicals are losing the battle and they don’t even know it.

You mean the "scholars" whose work, especially that of Owen, have been found tainted and have been disavowed by actual Christian scholars, while being trumpeted by mormons?

"His (Owen) attacks upon the apologetic community dating back a number of years now are understandable and can no longer be seen as coming from one "inside" the same camp: he is clearly far outside, and happy to be there. Hopefully, no one will any longer be confused by his conservative "credentials." His views are now open and clear, and for that I'm thankful. Their unbiblical nature, thankfully, is just as clear."

Too bad that the article written in 1997, more than ten years ago, is all that mormons have to hang their anti-Evangelical hats on!

48 posted on 01/04/2010 7:52:08 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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Too bad that the article written in 1997, more than ten years ago, is all that mormons have to hang their anti-Evangelical hats on!

But they will keep hanging themselves anyways...

49 posted on 01/04/2010 7:58:28 AM PST by ejonesie22
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Hey, ther article is only 13 Years old!

About the same age when Joe Smith started conning people with his "divining rod - hey I'll find your buried gold" tricks.

Shortly afterwards, the fake profit Joe really went off the deep end. So did anyone that followed his folly.

50 posted on 01/06/2010 10:54:23 PM PST by NoRedTape
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