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Mormon Media Observer: Top 10 LDS newsmakers of 2009
Mormon Times ^ | Dec. 30, 2009 | Joel Campbell

Posted on 12/30/2009 1:32:39 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: Godzilla

I’m stealing that graphic too. lol.


251 posted on 01/12/2010 12:54:09 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Godzilla
Posts 156, 199, 204 and 225 for starters, unless you've asked the mod to pull those posts. :)

They aren't pulled. Please quote the salient parts, or admit that you are wrong : )

252 posted on 01/12/2010 1:00:10 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande; Godzilla; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; ejonesie22; ...
Posts 156, 199, 204 and 225 for starters, unless you've asked the mod to pull those posts. :) [zilla]

They aren't pulled. Please quote the salient parts, or admit that you are wrong : ) [LG]

Oh THIS is going to be fun.

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253 posted on 01/12/2010 1:10:12 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Godzilla
No joke.

I have seen blatant “reversals” and “denials” (read: lies) but man...

254 posted on 01/12/2010 1:14:09 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Godzilla
Wow, I have seen logical disconnect, but...

Wow...

255 posted on 01/12/2010 1:16:34 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: LeGrande
They aren't pulled. Please quote the salient parts, or admit that you are wrong : )

#156 - "This is actually the more interesting part and confirmed by Einstein, light, life and matter are one and the same.

#199 - "Hmm, I gave you . . . and Einstein's equations. . . . You may want to start with Feyman's chapter on the Special Theory of Relativity.

#204 - "What part of life is matter and energy don't you get?

#225 - (GZ)"I have only asked one question, not 20, and that is to point me to the scientific journals/articles/books that specifically link “life” to Einstein’s relativity equation."
(LG) "And I replied by asking you what is different in 'life' to make Einsteins equation not applicable to it? "

Son, you can easily go back, just as I did and see that my question was specifically asking for scientific references supporting your incorporation of 'life' into Einstein's theory. You are computer saavy enough.

I await you acknowledgement and apology. And even more - I still await what scientific journal/article, etc that makes this claim that you've appropriated for yourself.

256 posted on 01/12/2010 1:30:24 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: ejonesie22; reaganaut
Wow, I have seen logical disconnect, but... Wow...


257 posted on 01/12/2010 1:35:18 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: LeGrande
You mean the theft of the Mormon's land? Or the Extermination order?

Theft?

Most was abandoned when the ill-advised handcart compaines left.

Extermination?

Yeah; THAT worked really well; cvonsidering that the Rlds folks stayed behind and prospered there, and ended up with the good PROPERTIES.

258 posted on 01/12/2010 1:37:12 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla

you win.


259 posted on 01/12/2010 2:03:22 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Godzilla; ejonesie22

game, set and match to Godzilla.


260 posted on 01/12/2010 3:29:19 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie
Most was abandoned when the ill-advised handcart compaines left.

You need to read up on the history elsie.

261 posted on 01/12/2010 3:48:16 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Godzilla
#156 - "This is actually the more interesting part and confirmed by Einstein, light, life and matter are one and the same.

Is that stating that " 'life' is part of the Einstein theory of realtivity."? Nope.

#199 - "Hmm, I gave you . . . and Einstein's equations. . . . You may want to start with Feyman's chapter on the Special Theory of Relativity.

I notice that you conveniently skipped Schrodingers equation reference, with the ... : ) And did you read Feynmans chapter on Relativity? My guess is you didn't. You should.

#204 - "What part of life is matter and energy don't you get?

The question still stands and makes no reference to Einstein either.

Son, you can easily go back, just as I did and see that my question was specifically asking for scientific references supporting your incorporation of 'life' into Einstein's theory. You are computer saavy enough.

Boy, you can easily go back and see that I was making the point that everything is a wave function. Cherry picking and leaving parts of quotes out doesn't help your case.

Just point out the differences at the wave function level between Life and/or Energy and/or matter and/or carbon chains and/or photons, etc. and I will be happy to give you references proving you wrong : ) Absolutely everything is a wave function.

262 posted on 01/12/2010 4:09:03 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Godzilla

BLACK KNIGHT: All right; we'll call it a draw.

ARTHUR: Come, Patsy.

BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, oh, I see, running away then. You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!

263 posted on 01/12/2010 4:24:24 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: LeGrande
Really now, *sigh* less than honest in your reply

Is that stating that " 'life' is part of the Einstein theory of realtivity."? Nope.

Your reply clearly stated "light, life and matter are one and the same" which was "confirmed by Einstein" - Strike one

And did you read Feynmans chapter on Relativity

Feynmans' chapter was titled "Special Theory of Relativity", created by - Einstein. Strike two

The question still stands and makes no reference to Einstein either.

Have you forgot what the term "context" means, Foul tip

Oh, I see you conviently left off this one

#225 - (GZ)"I have only asked one question, not 20, and that is to point me to the scientific journals/articles/books that specifically link “life” to Einstein’s relativity equation."
(LG) "And I replied by asking you what is different in 'life' to make Einsteins equation not applicable to it? "

Probably the most damning one of all which totally sinks your claim, now found to be not only baseless, but intellectually dishonestly defended too. Strike 3.

Boy, you can easily go back and see that I was making the point that everything is a wave function. Cherry picking and leaving parts of quotes out doesn't help your case.

Oh, incase you forgot your challenge was your claim of life being a component in Eistein's relativity equations - Please leave the field with what little honor you can still muster.

Just point out the differences at the wave function level between Life and/or Energy and/or matter and/or carbon chains and/or photons, etc. and I will be happy to give you references proving you wrong : )

Still waiting for the references to show that life is a component of Einstein's laws of relativity and special relativity.

Absolutely everything is a wave function.

Brush up on your wave functions skippy - not applicable to anything larger than the smallest bacteria. You are dismissed for the day.

264 posted on 01/12/2010 4:31:58 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

You’re just having fun now aren’t you...


265 posted on 01/12/2010 4:33:59 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: reaganaut

Again.


266 posted on 01/12/2010 4:35:00 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: ejonesie22
You’re just having fun now aren’t you...


267 posted on 01/12/2010 6:28:13 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Here

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/may/01-the-biocentric-universe-life-creates-time-space-cosmos

Enjoy


268 posted on 01/13/2010 7:11:31 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande

Great fodder for ID (are you a closet ID?), loaded with maybe’s, could, unproven theories, speculation, intuition. Light on hard facts you claim to exist, but that is par for your course. But regarding my specific, other than smoke and mirrors still doesn’t answer the specific question posted.


269 posted on 01/13/2010 8:33:31 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Okay :) Try this “The Road to Reality, by Roger Penrose”


270 posted on 01/13/2010 9:58:08 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Godzilla

Okay :) Try this “The Road to Reality, by Roger Penrose”


271 posted on 01/13/2010 9:58:23 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande; Godzilla
Dude, give it up, you are cold busted, whipped, exposed, punch drunk.

You are like Pee Wee Herman saying "I know you are but what am I"

If I was you boxing coach I would be throwing in the towel, Zilla is just using you as a punching bag now.

It isn't even funny any more.

Ok, its still a little funny...

Try not to bleed too much.

272 posted on 01/13/2010 10:17:38 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: LeGrande
Not a book gracing my shelves. His applications of phyics is not useful in my area of work. But perhaps you are referring to another of his books "The Emperor's New Mind" (1989), where he argues that known laws of physics are inadequate to explain the phenomenon of consciousness. My, guess he disagrees with your assumptions of a life variable component in the Relativity equation huh?

Even more remarkable is that, though he makes no religious claims, he essentially endorses ID in another book of his-

"There is a certain sense in which I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance. Some people take the view that the universe is simply there and it runs along–it's a bit as though it just sort of computes, and we happen by accident to find ourselves in this thing. I don't think that's a very fruitful or helpful way of looking at the universe, I think that there is something much deeper about it, about its existence, which we have very little inkling of at the moment." (A Brief History of Time)

I guess that may answer another question - your inner ID is coming out. Celebrate it!

273 posted on 01/13/2010 10:49:58 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
"The Emperor's New Mind"... where he argues that known laws of physics are inadequate to explain the phenomenon of consciousness.

That was discredited. The wave function collapse is too fast.

I guess that may answer another question - your inner ID is coming out. Celebrate it!

Where do you get ID from the wave function collapse?

274 posted on 01/13/2010 10:59:50 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande
That was discredited. The wave function collapse is too fast.

Ah, so your proponent on one hand is readily discredited on the other LOL, pragmatic aren't you. Wave function collapse - your god of life collapsed? But then the laws of physics STILL cannot explain the phenomemon of consciousness. So if your mathamatical/physics hero fails . . . . . .

Where do you get ID from the wave function collapse?

has nothing do with wave function collapse - if you bothered to read my post.
"There is a certain sense in which I would say the universe has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance. Some people take the view that the universe is simply there and it runs along–it's a bit as though it just sort of computes, and we happen by accident to find ourselves in this thing. I don't think that's a very fruitful or helpful way of looking at the universe, I think that there is something much deeper about it, about its existence, which we have very little inkling of at the moment." (A Brief History of Time)

Perhaps your reading comprehension is to blame for your confusion.

Continued in The Emperor's New Mind, Penrose calculated the probability. Including what he considered to be all variables required for human beings to exist and live on a planet such as ours, he computed the probability of our environment occurring among all the possible results of the Big Bang. He came up with number that has 1 followed by 10^123 zeros. He stated:

"This now tells how precise the Creator's aim must have been, namely to an accuracy of one part in 10^10^123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full in the ordinary denary notation: it would be 1 followed by 10^123 successive 0's. Even if we were to write a 0 on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe- and we could throw in all the other particles for good measure- we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed. " (The Emperor's New Mind)

Its OK to express your inner ID here LG - you are among friends.

275 posted on 01/13/2010 11:24:37 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: ejonesie22
In the windmills of your mind. . . . . .


276 posted on 01/13/2010 11:26:36 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
Ah, so your proponent on one hand is readily discredited on the other LOL,

His early attempt was. That is why I guided you to a later attempt.

Wave function collapse - your god of life collapsed? But then the laws of physics STILL cannot explain the phenomemon of consciousness. So if your mathamatical/physics hero fails . . . . . .

I am not attempting to explain consciousness or life. That is your job. I am just answering your question to provide sources that equate life, matter and energy.

"It's not there just somehow by chance."

QM is both probabilistic and deterministic. Obviously you don't understand it very well.

Continued in The Emperor's New Mind,

I didn't source the Emporors New Mind. You did.

It is now up to you to differentiate between Life and Matter/energy.

277 posted on 01/13/2010 11:37:06 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Godzilla
You never played football at Alabama back under Bear Bryant did you?

He never liked to run up the score on an already whooped opponent...

Of course the opponent also was not usually some lunatic who won't admit being whooped and worse kept diggin their hole deeper and deeper...

278 posted on 01/13/2010 11:39:37 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Godzilla
It has passed into the surreal...
279 posted on 01/13/2010 11:40:49 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: LeGrande
His early attempt was. That is why I guided you to a later attempt.

Yet you cannot cite page number from that work that incorporates "life" as a variable within Einstein's equation.

"It's not there just somehow by chance."
QM is both probabilistic and deterministic. Obviously you don't understand it very well.

That reading comprehension thing again huh? The quote above is NOT mine, but that of Penrose. It is safe to assume that HIS understanding of QM exceeds your own - and since HE made that statement, he has solid reason for that statement.

It is now up to you to differentiate between Life and Matter/energy.

You still haven't provided adequate references to support your assertion yet. And you still haven't apologized for your earlier lying. So your credability on this issue is strained to say the least.

BTW, Richard Dawkins in The Selfish Gene fails to define life - even in your terms. Probably can chalk that up to not getting the memo eh?

I didn't source the Emporors New Mind. You did.

Yes I did, to allow lurkers to view other aspects of Penrose' works beside the distorted view of yours.

Now, please clean up your mess as you leave. :)

280 posted on 01/13/2010 11:57:21 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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281 posted on 01/13/2010 11:58:05 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: ejonesie22
Of course the opponent also was not usually some lunatic who won't admit being whooped and worse kept diggin their hole deeper and deeper...

And there you have it.

282 posted on 01/13/2010 12:00:04 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
I recommend heavy earth moving equipment in the future...
283 posted on 01/13/2010 12:15:26 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: ejonesie22

More like hip-waders


284 posted on 01/13/2010 12:23:27 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
Yet you cannot cite page number from that work that incorporates "life" as a variable within Einstein's equation.

You seem to have some fundamental misconceptions. You asked a question I responded. Now when I ask a question you respond or is that too hard for you to grasp?

You still haven't provided adequate references to support your assertion yet.

Yes I have. Now it is your turn to respond to my question. Your response will also help you understand the answer to your question too.

BTW, Richard Dawkins in The Selfish Gene fails to define life - even in your terms. Probably can chalk that up to not getting the memo eh?

Maybe if you would answer my question you would understand and not be so mystified : )

Now, please clean up your mess as you leave. :)

If you go, the mess is cleaned up :)

285 posted on 01/13/2010 1:34:11 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande
You seem to have some fundamental misconceptions. You asked a question I responded. Now when I ask a question you respond or is that too hard for you to grasp?

Reading and memory issues. I asked a question and you NON-responded. Been pretty clear throughtout this exchange.

Yes I have. Now it is your turn to respond to my question. Your response will also help you understand the answer to your question too.

LOL, obfuscations and deflections do not count as an answer in anyone's book. You cited a book at best - yet never focused on the specific linkage YOUR claimed that 'life' was found within the Relativity equations. Still haven't and "The Road to Reality" doesn't prove your point either.

Maybe if you would answer my question you would understand and not be so mystified : )

The only one mystified are the lurkers wondering why you don't answer my question in the first place. But then given your track record in making accusations and when caught with your foot in your mouth you try to dance away and change the subject it is not too unexpected.

286 posted on 01/13/2010 1:47:24 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla
I know you are but what am I?

I know you are but what am I?

I know you are but what am I?


287 posted on 01/13/2010 1:59:25 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: Godzilla

When you can explain why you think life, matter and energy are fundamentally different I will continue this conversation.


288 posted on 01/13/2010 2:52:01 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande
When you can explain why you think life, matter and energy are fundamentally different I will continue this conversation.

I will when you apologize for lying to me AND provide specific reference to the journal/article etc that specifically incorporates 'life' into Einstein's equation

Guess I'll be waiting a long time, so adios until you finish licking your wounds.

289 posted on 01/13/2010 2:56:21 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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290 posted on 01/13/2010 4:04:28 PM PST by ejonesie22
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