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Mormon Media Observer: Top 10 LDS newsmakers of 2009
Mormon Times ^ | Dec. 30, 2009 | Joel Campbell

Posted on 12/30/2009 1:32:39 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: Colofornian

Harry Reid is a MINO (Mormon in name only).


51 posted on 01/07/2010 5:43:40 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy; ejonesie22; greyfoxx39; NoRedTape; urroner; Elsie; Godzilla; reaganaut; ...
Harry Reid is a MINO (Mormon in name only).

Well, that’s an interesting “angle”, Saundra. Please tell us, does BYU usually invite “MINOs” to speak at all-student body, all-faculty rallies? (‘Cause guess what? That’s exactly what BYU did in October 2007 – ensuring Reid spoke to over 4,000 on campus. Here’s the FReeper story on that Reid Gets Warm Reception at BYU )

From the above linked article, written by the Lds church owned Deseret News: At the end of his speech, Reid earned a standing ovation from a small percentage of the crowd and applause from the rest.

Tell us, Saundra, do BYU students & faculty usually applaud ALL MINOs like that?

Not only that, but the Salt Lake Tribune ran an October 2009 article – here. Harry Reid: A Mormon in the Middle

Here were two “interesting” comments by fellow Mormons about Reid, including one from Sen. Orrin Hatch: Bennett's Utah Senate colleague, Orrin Hatch, says it's not fair for fellow Mormons to disparage Reid as anything but a devout Mormon..."I can personally tell you that Harry is a good member of the LDS faith and he was expressing a personal opinion that his side feels very deeply about," Hatch says.

Well, there ya go, Saundra. Are you being contentious against Sen. Hatch by calling him a liar – or mistaken – re: his eval of Reid?

I mean, come on Saundra, the Salt Lake Trib article also mentioned how ”Today, Reid, with his security escort in tow, likely will be making his home teaching rounds after his ward's three-hour service. Anyone who questions his Mormon credentials should see that, says Jim Vlock, his home-teaching companion.

There ya go, Saundra – another Mormon “testimonial” about Reid that claims he is a bonifide Mormon. (Of course, we all know how mistaken those Mormon testimonials are all the time about another Mormon leader – a Mr. Joseph Smith – so I guess Mr. Vlock can be wrong just like all the other Mormon testimonials, eh?)

Oh, and one more thing, Saundra, that same Salt Lake Trib article makes this claim: "I think some of the most unChristian-like letters, phone calls, contacts I've had were from members of the [LDS] church, saying some of the most mean things that are not in the realm of our church doctrine or certainly Christianity," Reid said last week during an interview in his office.

Wow! Saundra. (You haven’t been sending those MINO comments in the form of letters, phone calls or other contacts to Mr. Reid, now have you?) But it’s all ironic, Saundra: Here you start off the second wave of 50 comments claiming Harry Reid is a MINO…and here Harry Reid was claiming in an interview three months ago that based upon the ”letters, phone calls, contacts I’ve had…from members of the [LDS] church,” he apparently thinks many Mormons are CINOs! (Christians in Name Only)

So, who’s right Saundra? Sen. Hatch? Harry Reid? BYU’s speaker invite committee? You?

52 posted on 01/07/2010 7:41:59 PM PST by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
"Harry Reid is a MINO (Mormon in name only)."

Harry Reid is a HINO (Human in name only). He is a despicable little gremlin. Sadness has fallen deeply upon him. The fact that he is a mo-is just icing on the cake. Freakin' weirdo, he is.

Reid BETTER be VOTED OUT in extreme numbers. He is a gas bag who needs to be launched into his next job as a restroom attendant.

53 posted on 01/07/2010 8:01:06 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: LeGrande; Colofornian

It wouldn’t have anything to do with your inability to handle a little criticism would it?

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Ummmm....unlike the LDS who use caucus/devotional threads to avoid criticism, Colofornian posts open threads when discussing the LDS.

RF has much greater freedoms for discussion than most the other areas of FR.


54 posted on 01/07/2010 9:23:03 PM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: LeGrande

Hmm, you think it is a fantasy that the BYU quarterback hates the U?

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No, not really, and Ejonesie did say that it was.

However, anything coming out of the BYU on the topics of archaeology, Ancient Scripture or Religion (esp the apologetic IS almost always related to fantasy.

I know MANY MANY professionals and academics in the fields of Archeology, History and Biblical Studies, NONE of them take BYU seriously.

“You went to BYU? I wouldn’t put that on my CV” - My graduate adviser in History.


55 posted on 01/07/2010 10:09:27 PM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39; urroner; ejonesie22

You mean the “scholars” whose work, especially that of Owen, have been found tainted and have been disavowed by actual Christian scholars, while being trumpeted by mormons?

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That would be the one. I have been in Academic circles for almost 15 years now and no one I have asked has either never heard of the guy or they do not consider him a “scholar”.

His book with Stephen J. Robinson “How wide the divide” was not impressive to say the least and also lost him quite a bit of credibility.

BTW, he no longer considers himself “Evangelical” having converted to Anglicanism in 2006.


56 posted on 01/07/2010 11:04:32 PM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: NoRedTape; greyfoxx39; ejonesie22

Hey, ther article is only 13 Years old!

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Depending upon the subject/area 13 years is either no time at all (Archeology) or far to removed to be useful (Apologetics). Gender studies and “sexual history” usually runs about 5 years. History tends to fall closer to a “20 year rule” and Biblical Studies closer to a “8-10 year rule”, in my experience.


57 posted on 01/07/2010 11:08:55 PM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian; Saundra Duffy

If Reid is a “MINO”, then how come he still holds a temple recommend? That means being an “active”, tithe paying member.

http://www.sltrib.com/lds/ci_13629152


58 posted on 01/07/2010 11:16:23 PM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian
"I think some of the most unChristian-like letters, phone calls,
contacts I've had were from members of the [LDS] church,
saying some of the most mean things that are not in the realm
of our church doctrine or certainly Christianity,"
Reid said last week during an interview in his office.
 
 
 
 
 
Well DUH!! They came from MORMONs - not CHRISTIANS!
 
 
He REALLY shows that MORMONism is NOT Christianity here!
 

59 posted on 01/08/2010 4:15:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NoRedTape

60 posted on 01/08/2010 4:17:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
However, anything coming out of the BYU on the topics of archaeology,
Ancient Scripture or Religion (esp the apologetic IS almost always related to fantasy.
 
 
 
 
AVATARD
 

61 posted on 01/08/2010 4:34:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid keeps a copy of the Book of Mormon in his office just off the chamber floor. There's a second copy handy to give away to someone in need of spiritual guidance.

What???!!!

WHAT 'guidance'?

There is NOTHING in the BoM that pertains to ANYTHING they perform ritually in their Temples!!

62 posted on 01/08/2010 4:36:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

63 posted on 01/08/2010 4:41:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
"On Sunday, Reid, with his security escort in tow, likely made his home teaching rounds after his ward's three-hour service. Anyone who questions his Mormon credentials should see that, says Jim Vlach, his home-teaching companion.

"He's got a tremendous burden with health care [reform] right now, but despite that, he finds time for home teaching," says Vlach.

Harry Reid: A Mormon in the middle

I'll save this article for the next time someone says Harry is a MINO!

64 posted on 01/08/2010 5:59:43 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Obamacare: Old folks don't deserve healthcare. They use up too many carbon credits just breathing.)
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To: reaganaut; Elsie; metmom
No, not really, and Ejonesie did say that it was.

Maybe the two of you should get your act together. Football might be fantasy but it is taken very seriously : )

Do you agree with Metmom that Elizabeth Smarts father was responsible for her disappearance too? Or would you consider that a fantasy?

I can go on with almost all the points in the article, knowing that you think reality is fantasy, but it would be redundant.

65 posted on 01/08/2010 7:28:42 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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Do you agree with Metmom that Elizabeth Smarts father was responsible for her disappearance too?

Got a source for that? Links?

66 posted on 01/08/2010 8:15:12 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Got a source for that? Links?

Why don't you emphatically deny it before I go searching? There is no point in proving it unless you deny it, now is there?

67 posted on 01/08/2010 9:34:43 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande
Do you agree with Metmom that Elizabeth Smarts father was responsible for her disappearance too?

I don't remember the post this was in. Do YOU have a link for us?

68 posted on 01/08/2010 9:56:47 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
I don't remember the post this was in. Do YOU have a link for us?

Are you denying it, Elsie? I am not accusing you. You never really say anything at all. You just post quotes and ask questions. The Socratic method you use gets old.

69 posted on 01/08/2010 10:08:55 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande; metmom; greyfoxx39

Do you agree with Metmom that Elizabeth Smarts father was responsible for her disappearance too?

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Sources? I’ve known metmom for years, I do not believe she ever thought such a thing, much less told you.


70 posted on 01/08/2010 10:19:05 AM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: LeGrande; ejonesie22

knowing that you think reality is fantasy

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Mindreading? Really, is that all you have?

So, tell me “Legrand”, what exactly is the “reality” that I think is fantasy?

I’m dying to know...


71 posted on 01/08/2010 10:22:07 AM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: LeGrande

72 posted on 01/08/2010 10:46:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande
You just post quotes and ask questions.
 
 
 
Sometimes I post PICTURES and ask questions...
 
 
 
 
Why is it that an avowed atheist like yourself gets DRAWN into these RELIGIOUS threads?
 
 
 
 
Why is it that an avowed atheist like yourself can attract SO many churches nearby?
 
 
(And you ain't THAT far from MECCA!)
 
 
 

73 posted on 01/08/2010 10:51:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut

I think you meant “didn’t...

I could care less about what the BYU quarterback did.


74 posted on 01/08/2010 11:13:21 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: reaganaut
Common agitator, not really worth the effort. I still make the mistake of replying to them. Pitches in the dirt.
75 posted on 01/08/2010 11:15:49 AM PST by ejonesie22
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To: ejonesie22

I did mean ‘didn’t’. Typos strike again.


76 posted on 01/08/2010 11:22:50 AM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
So, tell me “Legrand”, what exactly is the “reality” that I think is fantasy?

Life is reality, your belief in religion is fantasy. Believe what you can see, not what you have faith in.

77 posted on 01/08/2010 11:22:54 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Elsie
Why is it that an avowed atheist like yourself can attract SO many churches nearby?

It must be like Indians surrounding the cowboys. The good thing is that it gives me a target rich environment : )

Which reminds me, the only good Muslim is a .....

78 posted on 01/08/2010 11:27:03 AM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande
you think

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

79 posted on 01/08/2010 11:32:10 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator; reaganaut
Religion Moderator - Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

reaganaut - So, tell me “Legrand”, what exactly is the “reality” that I think is fantasy?

So reaganaut tricked me into answering that question? Ahh!

How about if I had simply turned it around and asked Reaganaut if his religious faith trumped what his eyes could see? Would that be okay?

80 posted on 01/08/2010 12:10:04 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande

Yes. Posed as a question, it is not mind reading but tentative.


81 posted on 01/08/2010 12:13:56 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: LeGrande

Ah, an atheist. That clears some things up.


82 posted on 01/08/2010 12:22:44 PM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: LeGrande

your belief in religion is fantasy. Believe what you can see, not what you have faith in.

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Two points.

1) Faith is different than religion. I am actually opposed to many “religious” practices b/c they can become rote and hollow.

2) Do you believe in air? Can you see it? Taste it? Smell it? What about a thought? Can you see that?

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


83 posted on 01/08/2010 12:25:05 PM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Pitches in the dirt.


84 posted on 01/08/2010 12:25:48 PM PST by ejonesie22
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To: reaganaut
Ah, an atheist. That clears some things up.

Of course : ) What did you expect, someone who wasn't knowledgeable about religion and the Bible?

85 posted on 01/08/2010 12:25:50 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: reaganaut

I should have said he’s a MINO in my humble opinion.


86 posted on 01/08/2010 12:28:49 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: LeGrande; Religion Moderator

So reaganaut tricked me into answering that question? [legrand]

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No trickery involved.

Your orig post #65 - knowing that you think reality is fantasy [legrand]

my question #71 - So, tell me “Legrand”, what exactly is the “reality” that I think is fantasy?

The mod responded to your orig post, not your response to my question.


87 posted on 01/08/2010 12:28:55 PM PST by reaganaut (Former Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
1) Faith is different than religion. I am actually opposed to many “religious” practices b/c they can become rote and hollow.

Aren't they all?

2) Do you believe in air? Can you see it? Taste it? Smell it? What about a thought? Can you see that?

Of course I can see air. I can also measure it, break it down into its constituent parts, etc., etc.

A thought? Belief in Despator or Elohim is a thought isn't it? Does that make Despator real?

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Is that your evidence that despator or Allah exists? Really I was hoping for more from you : (

88 posted on 01/08/2010 12:47:39 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande
Believe what you can see, not what you have faith in.

Nope...

KNOW what you can see; have faith in what you can't.

89 posted on 01/08/2010 2:08:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande; ejonesie22

What did you expect, someone who wasn’t knowledgeable about religion and the Bible?

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Very very few Atheists are, they all THINK they are but are not.

You are as I expected.


90 posted on 01/08/2010 2:19:08 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Saundra Duffy

I should have said he’s a MINO in my humble opinion.

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Aren’t MINO’s usually called “Jack Mormons”? That was at least what we called them.


91 posted on 01/08/2010 2:20:50 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: LeGrande

Aren’t they all?

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NOPE. Goes to show a lack of understanding.

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A thought? Belief in Despator or Elohim is a thought isn’t it?

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Non-belief is a thought also. That does not make God unreal.

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Is that your evidence that despator or Allah exists?

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My belief is based upon years of experience. The quote is an accepted definition of faith for Christians.

And I do not equate “despator” or Allah to Elohim/Jehovah/YHWH. Your equation of them shows your apparent goal.

The attempt at riling me up has failed. I am not thin skinned, if I were I would not be on RF.

G’day Troll.


92 posted on 01/08/2010 2:32:24 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ejonesie22
Time to do the usual:

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93 posted on 01/08/2010 2:37:08 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Elsie
KNOW what you can see; have faith in what you can't.

It has been my experience that seeing and understanding are two entirely different things. Often we only see what we expect to see.

94 posted on 01/08/2010 3:11:19 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: Religion Moderator; reaganaut
Very very few Atheists are, they all THINK they are but are not.

No gentle rebuke? Or does the admonition only apply to atheists? : )

To answer your implied question reaganaut, I have actually read the standard works of all the major religions.

95 posted on 01/08/2010 3:16:14 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: reaganaut
NOPE. Goes to show a lack of understanding.

Just a mere denial, with no explanation? Surely you can do better than that.

Non-belief is a thought also. That does not make God unreal.

That wasn't the question. Does a thought make Despator (god) real?

My belief is based upon years of experience. The quote is an accepted definition of faith for Christians.

Much like the Celts, don't you suppose?

And I do not equate “despator” or Allah to Elohim/Jehovah/YHWH. Your equation of them shows your apparent goal.

Yes, I was rather obviously transparent wasn't I? : ) Is not Allah the God of Abraham? The same god worshiped by all the People of the Book? You seem to be big on denials but low on evidence. Do you have any objective evidence that Allah doesn't exist?

The attempt at riling me up has failed. I am not thin skinned, if I were I would not be on RF.

RF? Religious Fundamentalist? No I didn't think you were thin skinned, I don't expect that on an anti Mormon thread. Are you willing to defend your beliefs or do you want to run away?

96 posted on 01/08/2010 3:28:43 PM PST by LeGrande (The government wants to take over the entire Health Care industry to fix Medicare and Medicaid.)
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To: LeGrande; Religion Moderator

No gentle rebuke?

I have actually read the standard works of all the major religions.

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It was not directed at you, it was a comment about atheists in general, therefore fair game. :)

Yeah, so? So have I, several times and many in their original languages (I am fluent in several). Point?

Familiarity with the stories does not equal a detailed or scholarly knowledge. That applies to believers as well as non. A knowledge of a religion goes far, far beyond a reading of the “standard works”.

And reading does not equal comprehension. A book knowledge is entirely different from a faith. Christians usually refer to it as a “head” knowledge vs. “heart” knowledge.


97 posted on 01/08/2010 3:30:30 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: LeGrande

RF = RELIGION FORUM


98 posted on 01/08/2010 3:32:53 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: LeGrande

Is not Allah the God of Abraham?

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No. They claim so, but an examination of Islamic theology shows a complete incompatibility.


99 posted on 01/08/2010 3:33:42 PM PST by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: LeGrande; reaganaut; Elsie; Religion Moderator
Why don't you emphatically deny it before I go searching? There is no point in proving it unless you deny it, now is there?

It's irrelevant whether I deny it or not. You made an accusation about me in the previous post, post 65. Back it up.

100 posted on 01/08/2010 3:37:36 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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