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Boy Scout-free LAPD Explorer program in the works(Lists gay discrimination as reason)
http://www.dailynews.com/ ^ | Dec 2009 | By Rick Orlov, Staff Writer

Posted on 12/30/2009 4:35:49 PM PST by Maelstorm

The LAPD plans to launch its own Explorer program for young people this month, removing the Boy Scouts of America from management, officials said Tuesday.

The Police Commission voted two months ago to end its relationship with the Scouts because of the organization's policies that discriminate against gays. The program had been operated by the Learning for Life Foundation, a subsidiary of the Boy Scouts.

The move to create the Los Angeles Police Department's own teen program should be launched by Jan. 1, Deputy Chief Earl Paysinger told the Police Commission.

"We have received inquiries from dozens of agencies on what we're doing," Paysinger said. "We think once the LAPD breaks away, other agencies will as well."

The biggest challenge in creating the program has been raising money, Paysinger said, but more than $25,000 has been collected so far to help cover the costs of uniforms, badges and patches.

The Explorer program introduces teens to law enforcement as a career, by having them work in stations alongside officers and assist in a variety of policing programs.

Before becoming Explorers, teens must take 96 hours of training in an academy. More than 250 cadets are expected to graduate soon and enter the new program, which has not yet been named. About 3,000 young people are currently enrolled as Explorers.

"We have found wide support ... and a great understanding about why we are making this change," Paysinger said.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: boy; boyscouts; bsa; fdrq; gay; homosexualagenda; la; lapd; leo; losangeles; scouts
I missed this earlier. Looks like the LAPD is kicking the Boy Scouts out.
1 posted on 12/30/2009 4:35:51 PM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm
My guess is one the initial publicity dies down, they're going to be very sorry they did this.

The BSA organization offers a tremendous amount of support to the Explorer posts and Venture crews. They don't realize exactly how much . . . but they will soon.

My prediction is this program will just fade away. Besides, how many parents are going to trust their 14-21 year old boys to a "gay-friendly" program? Talk about ASKING for trouble . . . .

2 posted on 12/30/2009 4:38:27 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Maelstorm

Is there any sane place left on this planet?


3 posted on 12/30/2009 4:39:20 PM PST by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: Maelstorm

Will NAMBLA be one of its sponsors?


4 posted on 12/30/2009 4:39:52 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: AnAmericanMother
how many parents are going to trust their 14-21 year old boys to a "gay-friendly" program?

I can't even imagine what this gay friendly group will be exploring.

5 posted on 12/30/2009 4:41:17 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
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To: FatherofFive
Don't even want to think about it.

If they're smart, they'll keep the extensive BSA rules designed to prevent sexual contact -- two leaders present at all times, no unrelated individuals sleeping in the same tent, etc.

But I don't think they're that smart. They're cruising for a lawsuit.

6 posted on 12/30/2009 4:42:51 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Maelstorm
Lex Luthor: Bye bye California. Hello new west coast. My west coast...... Costa Del Lex. Luthorville. Marina del Lex. Otisburg - “Otisburg”?


7 posted on 12/30/2009 4:43:13 PM PST by Vaquero (BHO....'The Pretenda from Kenya')
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To: Maelstorm

Looks like they are not prepared to remove “morally straight”


8 posted on 12/30/2009 4:43:55 PM PST by rjones42
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To: Maelstorm

Anti-discrimination law discriminate against the Boy Scouts of America.


9 posted on 12/30/2009 4:45:00 PM PST by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: All

How can they afford this? From everything I read, the state is practically bankrupt.


10 posted on 12/30/2009 4:45:33 PM PST by FlJoePa
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To: Maelstorm

Disgusting. They arrest child molesters/porn traders, and then welcome gays with open arms. I don’t think God will make a distinction come judgment day. Both are grievous sins to Him and he is revolted at the sight of both.

Hypocrites. All of them.


11 posted on 12/30/2009 4:47:18 PM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: Maelstorm
So the LAPD is going to do to the BSA what they accuse the BSA of doing: discrimination.

See? Libs can't see two inches in front of them. Point out the hypocrisy of this and they will petulantly shout out, "So the now the BSA knows what it feels like!", thereby proving that they really don't care about discrimination (depending on who it is that's discriminated against) and really are hypocrites, or that they are too stupid to get beyond anything that requires more brain power than 2+2.

12 posted on 12/30/2009 4:47:22 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: Vaquero

LOL

LOVE that scene.


13 posted on 12/30/2009 4:48:22 PM PST by Soothesayer9
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To: Maelstorm

The Scouts or the Gay Scouts. Hmmm. I wonder where I would choose to send my son.


14 posted on 12/30/2009 4:51:59 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

I was going to suggest the “Wood Sprites”, but since it law enforcement oriented, maybe the “Donut Holers”?


15 posted on 12/30/2009 5:03:44 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: Maelstorm
Can anyone here say,

"I'm open-minded, so I want to send my inquisitive son to assist the strong officer in doing brawny police stuff in the cruiser tonight..." ????

That's what I thought...!

16 posted on 12/30/2009 5:07:41 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Maelstorm
Gee, from Dragnet and Boys Beware to this.

The LAPD is really sucking eggs, moral compass-wise.

To hell with them.

17 posted on 12/30/2009 5:11:32 PM PST by caddie
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To: Comparative Advantage
Paging Kevin Jennings ,safe schools czar Kevin Jennings you have a call on the lavender phone.
18 posted on 12/30/2009 5:13:17 PM PST by YankeeReb (Pray for 0bama Psalm 109:8 ; May his days be short. May another take his office.)
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To: Maelstorm

Jack Webb must be spinning in his grave.


19 posted on 12/30/2009 5:17:33 PM PST by Robwin
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To: Sgt_Schultze

Yes, it’s fairly obvious that the LAPD will not be able to prevent the new program from being informally called “the Gay Scouts” (just try and censor kids’ speech and watch where that gets you), and inevitably those who join will be stigmatized with that label or similar.


20 posted on 12/30/2009 5:24:00 PM PST by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Jeff Chandler

I was thinking of the “Hole in the Stall Gang”?

To the left, the BSA is the morally repugnant organization while NAMBLA is ethical..


21 posted on 12/30/2009 5:27:50 PM PST by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Maelstorm

Our discrimination is justified.

Yours is not.

any questions?


23 posted on 12/30/2009 5:35:09 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Maelstorm

There is a silver lining here, they are starting their own scouting program, not sueing the bejeebees out of the real scouts.

BTW, I’ll bet that picture upthread of the Gay Scout leaders is going to be pretty close to reality. Poor kids who have to be part of that crap.


25 posted on 12/30/2009 5:53:24 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, islam will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: jeffc; dragnet2
The Police Commission voted two months ago to end its relationship with the Scouts because of the organization's policies that discriminate against gays.

So they carefully weighed the benefits of Scouting and they paled in comparison to the horror of limiting access of men attracted to boys to said boys.

Dragnet2, your town, any comments?

26 posted on 12/30/2009 5:58:53 PM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: AnAmericanMother
oIf they're smart, they'll keep the extensive BSA rules

I was never a Boy Scout, but some of the best years of my life was as the Cubmaster for a pack in Florida. I took the pack from 22 to 85 scouts in 2 years. BSA is one of the best organizations in the world.

27 posted on 12/30/2009 6:25:15 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
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To: gaijin

28 posted on 12/30/2009 6:38:32 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I was going to suggest the “Wood Sprites”, but since it law enforcement oriented, maybe the “Donut Holers”?

*sputter* I'm SHOCKED! Shocked to hear this kind of joking going on at Free Republic!

29 posted on 12/30/2009 6:42:44 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: 1010RD
"The Police Commission voted two months ago to end its relationship with the Scouts because of the organization's policies that discriminate against gays."

So they carefully weighed the benefits of Scouting and they paled in comparison to the horror of limiting access of men attracted to boys to said boys.

Right on the money.

Some people think this is about gay "rights." The term "gay rights" is a parlor trick. It is about gay removal of rights. When you have the right to your own labor, to bear arms, to pursue happiness, to own property -- those rights affect soley the individual exercising them.

But gay "rights" are dependent on restricting the rights of others to discriminate freely and peacefully against open homosexuality. To call them "rights" is a lie. No one is talking about stringing up two guys for being gay -- how the heck would we ever really know? Two guys can be room mates and pals, or they might be flaming fags -- outide of their abode, how and why would we know? What the BSA seeks is to keep open homosexuality as far from the Boy Scouts as possible. It is well within its rights to do that, and every employer, employee, landlord, business, contractor, church, and organization private or public has the same right. Conversely, those same individuals and entities have the right to discriminate in favor of open homosexuality, and see how well they do when people exercise their right (which current discrimination laws punish us for exercising) to openly reject open homosexuality.

I think things would become a lot more serene and civilized.

30 posted on 12/30/2009 7:09:01 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: 1010RD
Dragnet2, your town, any comments?

Ahh, not my town...But no surprise...

The leftist and queers go after all honorable American institutions and legitimate groups. No news here.

31 posted on 12/30/2009 7:18:07 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: FatherofFive
My husband is still an Assistant Scoutmaster in our local troop, even though our youngest is off to the USMC. I was a Venture Crew Advisor while our oldest was in Venturing.

It is indeed a great organization, and it DOES build character in both boys and leaders!

32 posted on 12/30/2009 7:49:18 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Maelstorm

Although I find this disgusting, and a slap against one of the finest institutions in American life, I will say this for the LAPD: At least they started their own Rumpranger Scouts instead of going to court and trying to taake over the real Scouts.


33 posted on 12/30/2009 7:49:56 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right, we're free, we'll fight and you'll see!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

IIRC, that’s the reason one other “a;lternative” scout program crashed and burned. They blew off the youth protection procedures (they probably thought it was rooted in homophobia, or didn’t have enough volunteers to go around) and had a predator (gee, what a surprise) abuse one of the boys.


34 posted on 12/30/2009 7:56:06 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right, we're free, we'll fight and you'll see!)
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To: Finny

Excellent post. Far too few people get that.


35 posted on 12/30/2009 8:04:17 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right, we're free, we'll fight and you'll see!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Yup, I had heard about that one too.

The libs have a serious logical disconnect here. They think homosexuals are OH so trendy and cool and worthy of their unqualified support. . . . but then homosexuals do what they do, and the libs are SO surprised and shocked.

It IS a mental illness.

36 posted on 12/30/2009 8:11:22 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Maelstorm

Another Marxist driven government agency working to undermine and destroy.


37 posted on 12/30/2009 8:15:33 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Maelstorm

Right, because all scout troups should be led by gay leaders!


38 posted on 12/30/2009 8:37:01 PM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Romney, Romney, Romney - on every thread - I'm sick of it! :P - is it gone???)
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To: Maelstorm

LAPD supports the Godless Gay Scouts. What kind of parent would?... Never mind. Unfortunately I know of several.


39 posted on 12/30/2009 9:47:23 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Maelstorm

The LAPD is getting more money than they know what to do with if they think they need to push the gay agenda on kids through a scouting program. What’s next: LAPD NAMBLA involvement?


40 posted on 12/30/2009 11:50:03 PM PST by Post Toasties
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To: AnAmericanMother

The LAPD has ALWAYS sucked as a LEA because of poor leadership. This is a perfect example of why that’s true.


41 posted on 12/31/2009 2:03:01 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Zeppo

The thing is, the BSA don’t discriminate against queers as members, just as leaders. They don’t want them in an authority position for obvious reasons. They won the Dale case based on First Amendment freedom of association. They ought to find a police candidate from the scouting ranks, let him get turned down for a cadet position, then sue.

The left has to be sued, sued, sued. They have to learn the lesson that we’re fighting back using their tactics against them.


42 posted on 12/31/2009 2:09:18 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: padre35

Somebody needs to do some gumshoe work. All they have to do is get some footage of one of the queer explorer “leaders” coming out of or going into a queer book store, theater, etc., or set one of them up to hit on a boy and get it on tape and they’re done. The whole project is over.


43 posted on 12/31/2009 2:12:33 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Balding_Eagle

They’re not suing because the case was already decided by the SCOTUS. It was called the Dale case, and the BSA won based on the First Amendment protection of the right to free association. It took place in the late 90s.


44 posted on 12/31/2009 2:15:22 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Mr. Silverback

The BSA was already sued for discrimination against queers. The queers lost. It was the Dale case, decided by the SCOTUS about ten years ago. So don’t be giving the LAPD any kudos for not suing. Res judicata.


45 posted on 12/31/2009 2:19:37 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Altura Ct.

LAPD has always sucked. I don’t care how big they are, the leadership sucks, the cops themselves are often unprofessional, and they generally are a lousy, slipshod agency.


46 posted on 12/31/2009 2:23:10 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: Mr. Silverback
They blew off the youth protection procedures (they probably thought it was rooted in homophobia, or didn’t have enough volunteers to go around) and had a predator (gee, what a surprise) abuse one of the boys.

Oh NO!!

47 posted on 12/31/2009 5:52:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: AnAmericanMother
It IS a mental illness.

BOTH are!

48 posted on 12/31/2009 5:52:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dragnet2

Agreed. But, I thought all CA was your domain? Have a safe New Year.


49 posted on 12/31/2009 6:00:45 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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