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Mexico's terrorist insurgency
Dallas Morning News ^ | 12/30/09 | Editorial

Posted on 12/30/2009 8:24:51 PM PST by AtlasStalled

For years, many Americans have dismissed the battle between Mexico's government and drug cartels. * * * But this problem, funded largely by U.S. drug users, has rapidly transformed into a battle against a terrorist insurgency, and victory is every bit as important to Mexico's security as is America's battle against al-Qaeda. Defeat for Mexico means nothing less than a descent into chaos. This might sound alarmist, but the tactics being employed by Mexico's drug gangs, not to mention their spread into U.S. border cities, is truly cause for alarm. * * * Drug gangs are challenging the government for control. The violence and death has far exceeded what U.S. troops have faced in Iraq and Afghanistan. The deaths – from hangings, beheadings, dismemberments, executions – are no less hideous than al-Qaeda's twisted form of Islamic "justice." * * * [B]acking away from this fight must not be an option as long as thugs and terrorists are vying against the government for control of Mexico's streets.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: immigration; importingcrime; importingpoverty; mexico; mexicosucks; narcoterror; warnextdoor; wot

1 posted on 12/30/2009 8:24:51 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled

Don’t worry. Obama will bow to them too and all will be well.


2 posted on 12/30/2009 8:26:47 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: AtlasStalled

It really seems like our best option is to legalize drugs, and let the government control it.


3 posted on 12/30/2009 8:32:15 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Defeat for Mexico means nothing less than a descent into chaos.
Maybe they can hire some no-talent leftist drooler to slap up another anti-US mural to commemorate the chaos.
4 posted on 12/30/2009 8:34:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (My Sunday Feeling is that Nothing is easy. Goes for the rest of the week too.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

Drugs corrupt lives. Young, and old, but especially the young and naive, the young and stupid.

Drugs kill. Drugs ruin lives that could have been far better than with the drugs.

The purveyors of drugs are similar to the jihadists, and often are the jihadists. They care not about the human being, only the profit, and the accumulation of wealth and power they reap in dealing the drugs. They are inhumane, slimeballs, of little, or no character at all. They deserve the death they purvey the naive, and the stupid.

No, this isn’t something that one would wish to legalize and turn over to our government to control anymore than we would wish our healthcare be governed by that same lot.


5 posted on 12/30/2009 8:43:14 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: AtlasStalled

There have been small and medium sized Mexican cities that have lost control to drug cartels.

The idea that the Mexican federal government is in danger of losing sovereignty is complete BS.

Drugs lords used to buy themselves out charges.

Drug lords used to have “private” luxury jails.

Durg lords used to walk out the front door of jails with bribes.

This does not happen any more.

That is why the violence has rathched up.

Getting arrested has serious consecuences now.

Mexico’s crime problem now is no worse than they hey day of the American mob.


6 posted on 12/30/2009 8:47:18 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: rockinqsranch

Well, the do-nothing approach you piously pontificate is getting us in a deeper and deeper hell-hole, with all the money and all the power going to those who are the most willing to be the most evil.

We can’t stop people from being evil, but we can regulate their activities and lower our deficits.


7 posted on 12/30/2009 8:54:07 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Reaganez

I agree with everything you state except for one thing: “Mexico’s crime problem now is no worse than they hey day of the American mob.” Although the mob controlled many urban cities and rural counties throughout America for decades through corruption of primarily local officials — although of course there were state and national politicians corrupted by the mob to great advantage for them — the violence in the streets in Mexico against federal police and army soldiers is unique, and is an armed insurgency against the Mexican federal government. In America, regardless of how much the mob controlled, how many politicians and law enforcement it corrupted and black mailed, and how much violent crime it committed, it still never engaged in a violent war against law enforcement when the heat finally started coming down in the 1970s and 1980s.


8 posted on 12/30/2009 8:54:48 PM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: Eccl 10:2

Instead of legalizing drugs and letting the government control it-how about labeling drug offenders as enabling terrorist activity and send them of to Gitmo as enemy combatants.


9 posted on 12/30/2009 8:59:53 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: abigkahuna

Instead of legalizing drugs and letting the government control it-how about labeling drug offenders as enabling terrorist activity and send them of to Gitmo as enemy combatants.

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I’m all for a mega-tough approach and execute them all if they are guilty. But we don’t have the stomach for that as a nation.

If we REALLY locked down the borders as we should, perhaps we could strangle the traffic. But we have created an enormously lucrative black market for drugs, and the “entrepreneurs” would find a way around the constraints.


10 posted on 12/30/2009 9:07:10 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Eccl 10:2

We can’t stop people from being evil

No, but we can execute them and select for better stock.


11 posted on 12/30/2009 9:17:53 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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Drug trafficers are not an armed insurgency against the government.

Mexico is not Columbia where the drug cartels through campaing contributions,political assasination,and funding FARC almost brought down the national government.

The reason the mob never attacked the US Army is because the Army was never used against the mob.

And they sure did attack police and judges.

The equivalnet of Rico and a systematic approach to dealing with organized crime like the US started in the 70 and with much greater success in the 80’s has not begun in Mexico.

They still handle things piecemeal.

They have no RICO law and can’t convict crime bosses for the simple fact of belonging to a criminal conspiracies.

There is no doubt the paralels are not perfect becuase the US was long a democracy before the mafia entrenched themselves.

Mexico is trying to figure out democratic elections, due process,constitutional rights,privacy rights in the middle of what is prohibition era gangsterism.


12 posted on 12/30/2009 10:29:02 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: AtlasStalled

Sure glad congress got that fence erected and land mines planted./sarc


13 posted on 12/31/2009 2:52:10 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Eccl 10:2

I don’t think a concentrated, focused counter drug effort on the part of existing government programs is the do-nothing approach you indicate in your war for drugs.

So you think surrender to the druggies, and more government regulation, bigger government, and all that goes with it is the answer to the problem.

It’s a proven road to Hell.


14 posted on 12/31/2009 3:23:47 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Yeah, like that’s gonna really happen! Get real, mass murderers don’t get executed, what makes you think drug dealers will?

The war on drugs is nothing more than Prohibition ver2.0

We’ve got all the problems that came with Prohibition ver1.0 and more!

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php - website for Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


15 posted on 12/31/2009 7:17:23 AM PST by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: rockinqsranch

“So you think surrender to the druggies, and more government regulation, bigger government”

How about the big a$$ police state that the WOD has given us, and civil forfeiture law?

Don’t you think it would be saner to sell drugs over the counter, like maybe in a pharmacy? People are going to find a way to kill themselves if they really want to, legal or not.


16 posted on 12/31/2009 7:22:58 AM PST by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: Reaganez
Mexico’s crime problem now is no worse than they hey day of the American mob.

good point...kidnapping as a lifestyle, beheadings, police corruption, gov't corruption, sex traffic, ___ Muerte, La Raza (US contingent), arms smuggling, etc...make the mob look like pikers!

17 posted on 12/31/2009 7:46:38 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: GunsAndBibles

You NorCal dope smokin’ Libertarians aren’t worth wasting my time with. Take a hike.

I have to agree though that Petaluma is a great place.


18 posted on 12/31/2009 8:39:12 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

For your information, my drug of choice is vodka.

I would suggest that you refrain from ad hominem attacks if your arguments are weak. It’s a liberal tactic and unbecoming to a conservative.

I’m sick of the police state and the gangs that go with the WOD and that’s my position. Interdiction has FAILED, so the logical alternative is to control it.


19 posted on 12/31/2009 9:19:00 AM PST by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: rockinqsranch

For your information, my drug of choice is vodka.

I would suggest that you refrain from ad hominem attacks if your arguments are weak. It’s a liberal tactic and unbecoming to a conservative.

I’m sick of the police state and the gangs that go with the WOD and that’s my position. Interdiction has FAILED, so the logical alternative is to control it.


20 posted on 12/31/2009 9:19:23 AM PST by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: Eccl 10:2

That would be the government that controls the DMV and the IRS so well? Great idea. I hope it was sarcasm and I missed it.


21 posted on 12/31/2009 10:58:42 AM PST by bboop (We don't need no stinkin' VAT)
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To: GunsAndBibles

Personally don’t do drugs, nor embibe in alcoholic beverages at all, and if I did I wouldn’t consider telling anyone for any reason.

Any failure of the interdiction is because of attitudes such as yours that promote less than an intense, and serious effort to go all the way in stopping the flow of drugs that are killing our kids. That attitude is quite welcomed by those that purvey drugs in the streets, and they thank you for your support.

There should be no tolerance of any criminal actions whatsoever. Drugs are a crime against individuals, and society overall. Why in the “H” should I have to drug test to operate heavy equipment because somebody else did the drugs?

End of discussion.


22 posted on 12/31/2009 1:24:02 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: GunsAndBibles

Personally don’t do drugs, nor embibe in alcoholic beverages at all, and if I did I wouldn’t consider telling anyone for any reason.

Any failure of the interdiction is because of attitudes such as yours that promote less than an intense, and serious effort to go all the way in stopping the flow of drugs that are killing our kids. That attitude is quite welcomed by those that purvey drugs in the streets, and they thank you for your support.

There should be no tolerance of any criminal actions whatsoever. Drugs are a crime against individuals, and society overall. Why in the “H” should I have to drug test to operate heavy equipment because somebody else did the drugs?

End of discussion.


23 posted on 12/31/2009 1:24:02 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: GunsAndBibles

I was meaning in a more general sense. You’re right, we don’t have the resolve to end the drug problem. The best we can do is legalize and punish normal crimes that result from drug use like theft etc.


24 posted on 12/31/2009 3:53:59 PM PST by freedomfiter2
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To: rockinqsranch

OK, the government has been working at drug interdiction for 40 years, with no success.

I’m always willing to examine a differing point of view.

What are the details of your vision for a successful drug interdiction program?


25 posted on 01/01/2010 10:03:31 AM PST by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: GunsAndBibles

The makers of Grey Goose don’t behead people, not because their product is legal, but because they don’t. Drug dealers will act the same whether their product is legal or not.


26 posted on 01/01/2010 10:09:37 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

Sorry, your argument is fallacious. If you study the history of Prohibition in the ‘20s, alcohol producers (aka crime families), did regularly cause murder and mayhem. Alcohol was illegal and crime flourished.
Alcohol is legal now. I am not aware of any current large scale gang activity built around alcohol distribution.


27 posted on 01/01/2010 10:48:39 AM PST by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: Reaganez; gubamyster; SwinneySwitch
"Drugs lords used to buy themselves out charges. Drug lords used to have “private” luxury jails. Durg lords used to walk out the front door of jails with bribes. This does not happen any more."

NO, now they simply KILL all the police, or bribe them. They break into jails and drug rehab centers to get out their compadres. Most of Mexico's elites have moved to the states to get away from the chaos. More beheadings than Iraq. More journalists murdered than anywhere. More kidnappings than anywhere...2nd is Phoenix, Az, thanks to Mexico.

"Mexico’s crime problem now is no worse than they hey day of the American mob."

You are WAY behind. Ignoring this will be our biggest downfall.

Keyword: NAFBPO

BEHEADING

narcoterror

...in case you want to educate yourself.

28 posted on 01/01/2010 11:00:17 AM PST by AuntB (If Al Qaeda grew drugs & burned our forests instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: GunsAndBibles

The companies that ran the alcohol business before prohibition, run it now. The crime lords were driven out of the business after prohibition. That’s when the gangland killings stopped. Same for gambling. Corporate America runs gambling now, and it was when they started taking over that the graft and murders within the industry subsided. Murderers murder, no matter what their line of work.


29 posted on 01/01/2010 11:14:40 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

I agree. Illicit drug sales provide the funding for the street gangs, this is an indisputable fact.

Let each state make their own laws regarding drug distribution and penalties for abuse (as they do for alcohol) - and let Pfizer or Johnson & Johnson provide the product.

Take the funding away from gangs and they will diminish. Perhaps some gang members hopefully would choose to self-deport.

Crime would drop and police assets would be freed up. No more “no-knock” warrants at the wrong house (no more slobbering labradors shot dead); no more violation of the 4th amendment through illegal civil asset forfeiture laws.
Less temptation for police to go corrupt. Fewer anti-gun arguments for the gun-grabbers.

Downside - some people are going to wreck their lives. That’s what AA and counseling are for, same as alcohol.

I’d like to believe that everyone would make the correct moral choices in their lives, however, the history of human nature indicates otherwise.


30 posted on 01/01/2010 12:16:50 PM PST by GunsAndBibles (God save Calif. - 'cause it's gonna take a miracle.)
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To: GunsAndBibles

Very simple. Tort Reform, and unhesitatingly enforce the laws we have on the books with no preferential treatment of the criminals regardless of Race, skin color, language, religion, etc.

Cut the crap, and enforce the laws.

We don’t do that today, haven’t done it for almost ever, and it’s damned well time we did.

Get the frickin’ job done.


31 posted on 01/01/2010 3:13:05 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: GunsAndBibles

IOW depoliticize drug enforcement.


32 posted on 01/01/2010 3:14:31 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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