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NY Post ^ | December 31, 2009 | Editorial

Posted on 12/31/2009 3:11:32 AM PST by Scanian

That was quite a revealing -- and understandable -- public tantrum President Obama threw Tuesday.

Understandable, because the president has every right to be livid over the "potentially catastrophic breach of security" that nearly saw a terrorist bring down an airliner with 289 people aboard.

And revealing, because perhaps Obama has come to understand that he does not enjoy as much control over intelligence matters as he might have imagined.

Also, that the Islamist threat to America won't be countered with mere words.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airtravel; incompetence; intelligence; islam; jihadists; securitybreach

1 posted on 12/31/2009 3:11:32 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

I’m starting to fear that this latest attack on an airline — and the subsequent bragging of groups in Yemen that more attacks are on the way — is a diversion. Diverting our attention from the BIG attack that is coming.


2 posted on 12/31/2009 3:16:07 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Tantrum? He sounded positively bloodless. Maybe if that airliner were filled with late-term abortion doctors then he’d get worked up.


3 posted on 12/31/2009 3:18:45 AM PST by MuttTheHoople (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/TeddyVWad.jpg)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Or black leftist ivy-league university professors.


4 posted on 12/31/2009 3:20:18 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Scanian
from the link: "Barack Obama this week came face-to-face with Islamist extremism -- and was humiliated by it."
5 posted on 12/31/2009 3:28:30 AM PST by blueplum
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To: Scanian

Our CIA wasn’t helped much when he appointed the new DCI.


6 posted on 12/31/2009 3:29:42 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Scanian

When he comes back from Hawaii, Zero will don a sweater and lecture us on American ‘malaise’ from the WH. Zero is a fool who will get many innocent Americans killed. It’ll be his fault, and no amount of democratic TV apologists will be able to blame GWB or anyone else. They’ll try, of course, but the American people are already enraged with Zero and his feckless crew. On the news: 8 brave CIA operatives murdered in Afghanistan by a suicide bomber. Unclear how the bomber was allowed on a forward CIA ops center. So, 8 more names on the wall. Thank you, Zero.


7 posted on 12/31/2009 3:30:36 AM PST by hershey
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To: samtheman

Unfortunately, I have come to the same conclusion. What if there were 30 or 100 of these “incidents” on one day? I tend to think that the five Imams, the sick Nigerian, smoke in the Philly stock exchange, the van in Times Square are
just “coincidences” that are being used to assess our responses.


8 posted on 12/31/2009 3:31:58 AM PST by Pinetop
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To: Scanian

He is acting like the typical brainwashed Muslim, soon he will have the dead fisheye stare, he will dare adventures at strip clubs and consuming alcohol, preparing himself to meet his 72 virgins.

If he stops off in Vegas on his way out from Hawaii I’m heading for a fall out shelter!


9 posted on 12/31/2009 3:32:28 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Phobos, kerdos, and doxa, said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”)
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To: Scanian
Understandable, because the president has every right to be livid over the "potentially catastrophic breach of security" that nearly saw a terrorist bring down an airliner with 289 people aboard.

He needs to look in the mirror when he starts his accusations. It is his own narcissistic fault.

He failed. Again.

10 posted on 12/31/2009 3:38:54 AM PST by Jemian (I believe there's a hell, but I didn't know it was down the street with a dome on it." Abe Lincoln)
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To: Scanian
Also, that the Islamist threat to America won't be countered with mere words.

I fear that we have the most incompetent and corrupt administration in the history of our nation. Cheney is correct when he says you cannot pretend that there is no war on terror. From Napolitano's comment that the "system worked," to President Obama's statements in connection with the Ft. Hood massacre that we should wait...

It was the action of the passengers on the aircraft that saved 300 people from sure death. It was not Reid, Pelosi, the ACLU, or ACORN, or the TSA. As a people of a seriously dysfunctional government, we are in big trouble.

11 posted on 12/31/2009 3:44:41 AM PST by olezip
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To: MuttTheHoople
Maybe if that airliner were filled with late-term abortion doctors then he’d get worked wee wee'd up.

couldn't resist!

12 posted on 12/31/2009 3:52:06 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: Scanian

We are on our own!! This government is not going to protect The American people.

I have always believed that they infact want something to happen! I also believe they are willing to sacrifice American lives to further their agenda. They see the opportunity to take complete control in the aftermath of a large scale attack!

It explains alot and all the pieces fall into place
If you look at it from that perspective.


13 posted on 12/31/2009 4:10:11 AM PST by timetostand (And a Hap Hap Happy New year !)
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To: samtheman

Anything’s possible, but this is certainly sufficient to get America irritated. Wonder what it would take to get Zero’s approval polling down into the teens?


14 posted on 12/31/2009 4:14:05 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: timetostand

Sadly, this is true.


15 posted on 12/31/2009 4:23:33 AM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: samtheman

Newt Gingrich is frequently wrong but one thing he said after 9-11 has proven out over the years. He said that the 9-11 attacks were the jihadists giving America their best shot and, if decent security measures were implemented, it was doubtful that they could repeat the 2001 attacks.

I think he was right. We have had no successful terror attacks since then in the US, though other countries have experienced them, and the cannon-fodder that AlQaida has used, such as the Shoe Bomber and the Undie Bomber, have shown themselves to be absurdly incompetent.

I could be wrong but I don’t see the likes of AlQaida being able to muster a major attack again unless Zer0 and the rest of the West decides to allow them to run wild again.


16 posted on 12/31/2009 5:19:43 AM PST by Scanian
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To: blueplum

Zippy either enjoys humiliation or he is too dumb to realize when it is happening to him.


17 posted on 12/31/2009 5:20:50 AM PST by Scanian
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To: timetostand
“They see the opportunity to take complete control in the aftermath of a large scale attack!”

They will not succeed, even in the chaotic aftermath, should such an attack take place. Our military still understands “we the People” and the oath they took to defend the country from the enemy, foreign and domestic.

One has to believe that the military leadership thinks less of this Pres and incompetent gov’t than we civilians do.

18 posted on 12/31/2009 5:23:26 AM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Scanian

Do a websearch on EMP or electro magnetic pulse attack.

Have you ever heard of that?

They can do that now. We have no protection. It can be launched from a boat...and a successful attack can take out the powergrid throughout the entire USA. The parts of these grids are not made in this country. It takes them 3 years to make them if ordered.

In your wildest dreams, unless you have read about this, you cant imagine what life would be like here for 3 years with no electric or cars (which are run by computers).

No lights, no heat, no cars, no food deliveries, no banking, money becomes worthless, pumps wont work to put out fires, nor pump water. Gangs form, looting and stealing from individuals, food and anything else they can take. The majority of people in this country will die.

The government has been informed of this many times. It wouldnt cost much to prevent this from happening. Instead of acting, they order more studies.

Dont think you are safe. 9/11 is small potatoes compared to a successful EMP attack...and they are capable of doing this NOW.

After you do a websearch for EMP info, read this novel, free in pdf form. If this doesnt keep you awake nights, nothing will.

http://www.giltweasel.com/stuff/LightsOut-Current.pdf


19 posted on 12/31/2009 5:38:32 AM PST by New Yawk Minute
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To: New Yawk Minute

ElectroMagnetic Pulse

The islamics would love to destroy America.
North Korea would love to destroy America.

It’s very easy to imagine North Korea fitting a ship with a launcher and a nuclear-tipped medium range missile, then training an al queda crew to operate it.

It is plausible that such a ship and crew could sail to within 100 miles of the US coast and successfully launch the missile which would then explode a couple of hundred miles above the eastern US.

It would be the quickest and cheapest way to destroy the United States as a world power.


20 posted on 12/31/2009 6:05:48 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: New Yawk Minute

I hardly qualify as an expert and I’m sure there are numerous hideous and scary high tech methods to disable this country and cause unimaginable death and distruction but for me the question is, is this bunch of incompetent loons capable of any of it?

What you describe sounds like something that a hostile foreign government - Iran, for instance - might attempt. The US government should be aware of such technologies and prepare for their use but I can’t see a gang of 7th century barbarians being the ones to employ them.


21 posted on 12/31/2009 6:08:44 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Max in Utah

For many years, I have read an article here and an article there on EMP.

Last summer, while all of this healthcare craziness was going on, you would think that I would have had enough to stress over..heh

I must have come across an article somewhere on EMP that sparked my interest enough to begin to google it. One article led to another, which led to official papers on it and then that novel.

I believe any government can do this to us and I dont think its too off base to think that Al Qaeda is capable, also.

One big EMP set off above mid America, or several small ones could devistate us...within days, people will be killing people for goods.

The ship can be outside US waters and they could also sink it when they are done and disappear in a tiny boat..or in the case of terrorists..blow themselves up. We wouldnt know who to blame, when we are caught in the dark, with no cars working and planes falling out of the sky. It is not only the power grid that would go, but also most automobiles which use computers and also planes.

It anyone here enjoys scaring the daylights out of yourself..do a google seach, then read the free online novel I posted earlier.

There is also another novel that was written more recently, with a foreward written by Newt Gingrich called one second after. Both of these novels are about life after an EMP attack. Scary, scary stuff.


22 posted on 12/31/2009 6:22:32 AM PST by New Yawk Minute
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To: New Yawk Minute
I purchased the novel One Second After in audio CD format this past June. The story is something that can keep you awake at night wondering "Will that really happen to us?"

I'm afraid that someday it will. It's just too tempting to our worst enemies.

23 posted on 12/31/2009 6:36:48 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Scanian
The US government should be aware of such technologies and prepare for their use but I can’t see a gang of 7th century barbarians being the ones to employ them.

The US government pretty much lost interest in this during Clinton's "Peace Dividend".

24 posted on 12/31/2009 6:46:21 AM PST by Western Phil
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To: samtheman

Neah.

Its a harassment attack. They haven’t been able to achieve anything so they make a bit of a fuss, the Feds ratchet down on us and they get a win out of it.

As far as I can tell, it has been a complete success.


25 posted on 12/31/2009 6:49:05 AM PST by Little Ray (Madame President sounds really good to me...)
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To: hershey

Stars on the wall, actually.


26 posted on 12/31/2009 6:52:57 AM PST by SargeK
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To: Max in Utah

If you think that was scary, read the other one. It isnt as well written, the author, I believe is not professional, but he is an excellent story teller, you wont be able to stop reading.

I read that first, and then got the hard copy of one second after. I dont think it was as good. One second after is about a town working together and the other “lights Out” is about a neighborhood working together.

http://www.giltweasel.com/stuff/LightsOut-Current.pdf

Although both of these are fiction, they give some really good ideas on how to survive (or attempt to survive) after and EMP attack.

(This got to me so badly, that I bought a crank radio, that I keep in a metal container). I have been collecting a lot of survival info, too. (just in case)


27 posted on 12/31/2009 7:07:39 AM PST by New Yawk Minute
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To: Scanian

The guy calls for “Full-body searches and scans, restrictions on hand-held luggage and intensive questioning of passengers all help.”

With the prices they charge for checked luggage, the trend is to stuff ever-more into your carry on so you don’t have to check anything. The must resolve this issue.

A little ethnic/racial profiling wouldn’t hurt, either.


28 posted on 12/31/2009 7:49:00 AM PST by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: New Yawk Minute
I read Lights Out a year or so ago. I agree that it's a good story but one that most people will never read. I loan out One Second After to anyone who's interested in listening to it.

It's coming up on 10 years since I've had my hand crank radio. Thanks for the reminder of the metal container, maybe mine will fit inside a 20mm ammo can.

29 posted on 12/31/2009 9:34:59 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: FrogMom
A little ethnic/racial profiling wouldn’t hurt, either.

I heartily agree! Stop searching the grannies from Iowa and concentrate on the usual suspects.

We could do with some training from the Israelis... they're the true experts in this kind of defense.

30 posted on 12/31/2009 9:39:09 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Max in Utah

I think my family thinks I have flipped out..lol

Nobody wants to read this stuff. I keep telling them, they will be sorry if this ever happens. I am no survival expert, but at least I have read a few things.

Its funny how things are right under peoples noses and they ignore it. More people should learn about this and at least try to prepare a little. If your government doesnt care, then people should care.


31 posted on 12/31/2009 11:20:51 PM PST by New Yawk Minute
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