Skip to comments.“Let me see your papers!” More and more Americans are feeling fearful of our government
Posted on 12/31/2009 6:05:25 AM PST by jmaroneps37
Those of us who grew up in the 1960s remember old black and white movies made during World War II. We remember the ones about the Nazis usually had a sneering jerk in a black uniform and monocle confronting a suspicious civilian with the demand, Let me see your papers!
Seventy years later, we thought all of that was left behind, but according to a new Wenzel Strategies report, a growing number of Americans are becoming fearful American citizens might soon be challenged with this same chilling demand.
Very chilling stuff
Wenzel Strategies spoke to 823 likely voters over the weekend of December 18 to 21 and established a margin of error of 3.4%.
The timing of this survey makes its results still more significant for two clear reasons: first the nearness to Christmas should have peoples spirits high and hopeful; and second weekend polls usually reach more Democrats than Republicans.
If this was the case and a number of Democrats have come to this conclusion it adds extra weight to the importance of this finding.
This is the type of news that makes your stomach tighten because it is both overwhelmingly un-American for such a thing to happen here in the land of the free and the home of the brave, and a little voice tells you the 36% of Americans who feel this way might just be correct in their fear of Obamas Administration.
Wenzel also observed that Republicans get it. At a rate of 73% Republicans now agree that Our freedoms are decreasing under Barack Obamas presidency. This is a sharp increase from the 61% that felt this way just last month. Among Independents the month to month increase of fear of government jumped 7%.
Never in our lifetime have things been this scary
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The “fear” needs to turn into anger and activism.
“The ‘fear’ needs to turn into anger and activism.”
I’m pretty sure that’s what the Tea Parties were about.
Wrong! My wife is visiting her sister in Russia. Because my wife is a Russian National, she must carry her "Internal Passport" wherever she goes and produce it on demand by any official without any cause. She was astounded and amused when she first came to the U.S. many years ago that we could travel between states without having to "prove" our identity at any time for no reason without a gubmint issued passport.
Really? When and how? If any sort of coordination is attempted on the Internet, we'll have government brownshirts at our door looking to lock us up for fomenting violence or attempting to overthrow the government... essentially treason, at least in the eyes of the Obama DoJ.
If we try to muster in cities around DC, we'll be squashed by the military like the Bonus Army in 1932.
Despite being armed, the American public doesn't have the stomach for Civil War, and they likely never will until after all of the cogs have been set in motion to stop any and all attempts at a coup d'etat.
And if anyone thinks we'll have a revolution at the ballot box, they're sorely mistaken. 2008 showed us that the Marxists have figured out how to rig our elections in their favor. If every Conservative showed up in 2010, I'm convinced we'll still lose in major contests.
The Liberal/Progressive Marxist/Socialist din has grown into a roar, and the machine of Communism has started up with great thunder. Many of us, by virtue of posting on FR alone, will likely be imprisoned for dissidence at some point.
I thought the Tea Parties were about racism.
Whenever I have tried to explain to my liberal friends how much their liberty has been compromised and how much of their freedom is being threatened...they look at me like I have two heads and then start babbling about Bush.
The government isn’t doing this sort of thing to keep us safe against terrorists. It is doing it to silence critics and those who oppose leftist policies.
If asked for “papers” simply state that you are a gay muslim of mixed race, with no birth certificate or proof of your citizenship and, because you are a ‘special’ minority the ‘need to know’ is rendered moot.
That’s the ticket!
Conjures a spittin' image of Reid...
The left always uses the state’s law enforcement and defensive measures against those they view as the “true enemy” - those who oppose their acquisition and maintainence of power.
They are getting the big momma gummit they asked for. Maybe when her hug begins to smother them they will realize it’s too late.
People who drive automobiles have been showing their “papers” since shortly after the turn of the last century.
The largest moves aren’t even in that direction. They are in the direction of pulling huge chunks of American infrastructure into the gummit bosom. You can avoid the hassles of flying if you must. It’s harder to keep from being involved with cars and money.
This fear is based upon pure reason, not paranoia.
oh... and doctors!
And two seconds later, some hacker will be selling these readers on craigslist.
Weren’t doctors one of the groups that the “visitors” targeted as “terrorist supporters” because they were viewed as a threat to the “V’s”?
Btw, how did the R's win the governorship in NJ and Virginia? Just wondering.....
I agree with all that you have stated.
History shows we are being boiled like frogs in a pan.
It happened in Italy, Germany, Russia and it is happening here. In those previous places, there was a great wonderful military and leadership, that saved those peoples from themselves.
There will be no one to rescue us and there is nowhere left on earth to go for Freedom.
They want “our” papers, but they don’t blink at the Nigerian on the Delta/Northwest flight 253.
Lock and load!
My mother didn’t join the Nazi party during the war. She tells of how she avoided the SS because she didn’t have ‘papers’. Once she was caught and sent to a work farm where she and another girl escaped by crawling through the open fields.
Right now, she’s having flashbacks. The Third Reich (National Socialist Workers Party) didn’t start out rounding up opponents but they eventually had to or else lose power.
And if you attempt to show any sheep leftist these perspectives of those that have been there, done that,
they simply go into “it can’t happen here because our people are better than the Nazis/Marxists/Stalinists” mode.
Is that before or after the JBT issues a ticket?
“Whenever I have tried to explain to my liberal friends...”
Sorry, but that’s part of the problem right there. Why are you friends with the enemy? Do you really think that they will do diddly squat for you when the brownshirts come to take you or your firearms? Do you?
Unfortunately I have little choice...I live in Rhode Island so I am basically behind enemy lines.
I hear you, but as for me, I’d rather live in solitude than fraternize with the scum.
There have got to be conservatives up there. Keep looking, and good luck.
Never mind......let me see your papers.
It’s more like they are looking into our IRS records, our employment records, our health care records, our credit card information.
You name it, they’re busy snooping.
Too busy snooping to watch for terrorists it would seem.
A couple seconds in a microwave set on "high" will take care of that pesky chip.
Technical note: Then as now, German polizei, of whatever stripe, would never say “Let me see your papers”, because that implies requesting permission. Instead they would say, “Show me your papers”, in that this is the more correct form for an order.
Interestingly, it is easy to adjust to the “ordered” German way of doing things, for three reasons.
First of all, German police do not, and will not, chit-chat with you. When they speak to you at all, they are ordering you to comply, even if they are asking you a question, they are demanding an answer. They demand obedience, and no arguments.
This compares favorably to the nebulous American police chit-chat, that could be just that, chit-chat; or it could be asking you an “honest” question; or it could be trying to deceive you or trick you into incriminating yourself. This is why it is *very* wise advice to never talk to (an American) policeman. They revel in “head games”.
So you can be more comfortable around a German polizei, because you know what his intentions are. However, you *must* comply with whatever a polizei orders you to do for a very good reason. There are almost *no* police brutality laws in Germany. If he orders you to do something, and you refuse, he may very likely hit you. He means it. American cops can’t do that.
But in turn, this is mitigated by the third principal, that the criminal penalties for police corruption in Germany are *severe*. Most German police are scrupulously honest and rigidly stick by the book, because the punishment they would face is truly awful. If a German cop goes bad, he is putting his life on the line.
This difference in philosophy is what most frightens Americans when there is talk of requiring them to carry papers. Because American police, if given powers like that, would be monsters. They would try to mess with the minds of everyone they met. They would confiscate and maybe destroy papers. They would use them to torment those they wanted to mess with.
What has long been used in Germany would not work in America.
The situation would be reversed in Germany if they eliminated all penalties for police corruption. It might take them a few weeks to get used to the idea of being dishonest, but then they would be equally monstrous to the German people.
Is the Bummer and his machine willing to do this?
God knows. He may simply be willing to crank the frog pot up another ten degrees or so. I hope a big ice cube from Alaska cools it down soon.
I mostly do live in solitude...there is a small but growing contingent of Tea Partiers and Conservatives so things are looking up. :)
Germany is culturally like this, with a homogeneous makeup. In America it’s like herding cats.
One of the main difference between ‘progressives’ and conservatives is that conservatives understand human nature. The lust for power destroys civilizations.
Many times I’ve invoked Godwin’s Law, because many have not understood what Nazism is. But when a government agency (EPA) proclaims they will use ‘command and control’, that’s right out of the Third Reich playbook.
My only hope is that if we are forced to muster against the government,we will come ready to fight rather than protest, unlike the Bonus Army which geared toward protest marches.
The Bonus Army also did not expect the US military to get involved. We know better now and have learned from it hopefully. I don’t believe most of the military will join Obummer against the citizenry, but some will, which will make them traitors to the Constitution and our enemy.
They also didn’t have groups like Oath Keepers, which has prepared for encounters like the Bonus Army suppression. I think we are more aware and prepared this time.
I’m not a strategist or an analyst. I’m an electrical engineer and certified professional writer working on a graduate degree in Technical Communication. I browse FR for an inkling that we’re going to creep back to conservatism, but that creep is tree-sloth slow and seems to be gathering moss.
My only hope is that the urban areas go first. The big cities will financially crumble due to an increasing public denand for government largesse. As the rich flee the cities in droves and businesses leave for cheaper shores, these big cities will become cesspools of crime.
The suburbs will come next as the “walking wounded” from the cities start looking for handouts. The suburbanites will be ready though. Many of us are well-,if not heavily-, armed and well-prepared for this scenario. Home crimes and invasions will increase quickly, and the homeless will walk the streets and put immense pressure on local PDs, whose income is derived from suburban taxpayer, who will likely be unprepared for the influx of emergency calls from these areas.
The survivalist suburbanites will quickly try to get out of the areas most affected. Those of us with family members “out in the boonies” will quickly make our way to them while the unprepared are consumed by crime. Property values plummet, automobiles are routinely stolen or vandalized, personal safety is commensurate on the individual. Police, if they’re still employed, will issue strict curfews with little effect. The area will likely be so widespread that if the local governors aren’t already pleading to the state, they will be. Martial law will likely be instituted by the same government that starts us down this path.
If US military desertions don’t increase exponentially, the specially-trained “Federal Protection Agency” will fill their ranks. Terror bombings will become a daily event. If the armed American doesn’t stand up like those in similar situations in Israel, for instance, then we will surely fall.
Sadly, this is where I can’t pass. If we make it to such dreary and disastrous conditions, will those of us willing to fight find one another in the sea of humanity crawling to DC for help from Uncle Sam?
The people in this country need to understand that everything we enjoy in our day-to-day life is provided to us by those who work hard every day to earn a paycheck. As businesses leave American shores and unemployment soars, we’re all just one paycheck away from the unemployment line.
I pray everyday and thank God for my life and livelihood, and I pray that He gives society a well-deserved break from these fascists who are lying their way into a world government.
I’m not so worried about Obummer. He’s merely the poster boy. (Can I say ‘boy’ without being called a racist?) But he and his machine are doing a good job of setting us up. I’m more worried about who’s next.
It’s Congress who welds the legislative power. (I sure hope there won’t be any ‘fires’ in the Capital building.)
We’ve neglected the ‘institutions’ (universities, think tanks, etc) of democracy maybe past the point of no return. We’ve complained but we should have invaded them long ago. It would be hard to change a ‘producer’ into a ‘looter/moocher’ though.
Extreme Democracy leads to tyranny.
I dunno. Lets face it, if you get stopped by a cop or try to get on a plane, you have to produce some form of official ID. You’re fooling yourself if you think otherwise. And people going to vote or get a job SHOULD be required to produce ID too. As somone who carries multiple forms of official ID, I don’t have a big problem with a national ID card. If done right, such a card COULD potentially do some good, such as helping to screen illegals and reduce various kinds of fraud. The problem is that, I suspect, there will be two sets of rules: a rigorous set for the law abiding, and a wink, wink, nudge, nudge set for illegals and crooks.
I never thought I’d ever see the level of intrusion into American’s personal lives that we’re seeing today. It’s like a nightmare that you just can’t wake up from.
How sad that 233 years of blood, sweat and tears expended to make this country the greatest in the world and a beacon of freedom was given in vain.
“if asked for papers simply state that you are a gay muslim of mixed race, with no birth certificate or proof of your citizenship and, because you are a special minority the need to know is rendered moot.
Thats the ticket!”
No, the papers are going to be needed to prove you are gay, or muslim, or mixed race, or an illegal alien, and therefore a “special” minority. It’s the ones who can’t prove these things that need to be brought in, questioned and held for suspicion of being suspicious.
So you see, the papers will actually INCREASE freedom. For the ones who deserve it.
Who is Obama? This video goes well past marxism....
The intro for the first two and a half minutes is relevant, then it gets into the meat of the matter.
What Bummer has ushered in does not look a lot like democracy at all. The machine talks like it is, but you look at the polls and you see that America largely regards him and his fellow politicians as a bad taste that they would spit out if they could. Polls that everybody knows about ("we are not alone") are one thing that Hitler never had to bother with.
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