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FBI Reports Huge Decrease in Murders as Gun Sales Soar
NRA-ILA ^ | 12/29/2009

Posted on 12/31/2009 10:13:40 AM PST by GVnana

Last week, the FBI issued its preliminary 2009 crime report, showing that the number of murders in the first half of 2009 decreased 10 percent compared to the first half of 2008. If the trend holds for the remainder of 2009, it will be the single greatest one-year decrease in the number of murders since at least 1960, the earliest year for which national data are available through the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Also, the per capita murder rate for 2009 will be 51 percent lower than the all-time high recorded in 1991, and it will be the lowest rate since 1963—a 46-year low. Final figures for 2009 will be released by the FBI next year.

According to gun control supporter dogma—“more guns means more crime”—the number of privately owned firearms must have decreased 10 percent in 2009. To the contrary, however, the number rose between 1.5 and 2 percent, to an all-time high. For the better part of the last 15 months, firearms, ammunition, and “large” ammunition magazines have been sold in what appear to be record quantities. And, the firearms that were most commonly purchased in 2009 are those that gun control supporters most want to be banned—AR-15s, similar semi-automatic rifles, and handguns designed for defense. The National Shooting Sports Foundation already estimates record ammunition sales in 2009, dominated by .223 Remington, 7.62x39mm, 9mm and other calibers widely favored for defensive purposes.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2009review; banglist; bhobanglist; crimerate; johnlott; moregunslesscrime
Also indicative of the upward trend in firearm sales, the number of national instant check transactions rose 24.5 percent in the first six months of 2009 compared to the first six months in 2008, the greatest increase since NICS’ inception in 1998. Through the end of October, NICS transactions rose18 percent, compared to the same period in 2008.

More Guns Means More Crime? Hardly. In 2009, more guns meant less crime, in a very, very big way.

1 posted on 12/31/2009 10:13:41 AM PST by GVnana
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To: GVnana

HA....I put the link to the FBI article on my Facebook....imagine it’s driving some looney liberals batty!


2 posted on 12/31/2009 10:15:49 AM PST by goodnesswins (Become a Precinct Committee Person/Officer....in the GOP...or do NOT complain.)
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To: GVnana

HMMMMMMM.... FUNNY how that happens..

As Heinlein stated.. “An ARMED Society is a POLITE Society”


3 posted on 12/31/2009 10:15:52 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: GVnana

2009 is going to have been a really tough year for Liberals, coldest year in a long time. Snowiest year in 50 years, Health Care passed House and Senate, and now this.


4 posted on 12/31/2009 10:17:39 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over-production, too much food, one of the annual top 5 worries of the American Farmer)
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To: gwilhelm56

You took the word out of my mouth.
Happy New Year...


5 posted on 12/31/2009 10:18:23 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: GVnana

Liberals completely perplexed.


6 posted on 12/31/2009 10:19:56 AM PST by jazminerose
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To: GVnana; sionnsar

Ha ha, now I know why Seattle’s crime rate went up.


7 posted on 12/31/2009 10:20:21 AM PST by MarMema (chains we can believe in)
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To: goodnesswins

**....I put the link to the FBI article on my Facebook**

Didn’t see that article pass by me on Facebook (but then I’ve been paying more attention to the Rush thread)

George Wilhelm (Ithaca, NY) always welcoming new friends, ESPECIALLY FREEPERS!


8 posted on 12/31/2009 10:21:36 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his office. ")
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To: goodnesswins

Almost 2/3s of murders are gang bangers etc killing each other

Not sure how gun sales lower that number


9 posted on 12/31/2009 10:22:17 AM PST by uncbob
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To: GVnana

This will require more study. As of January 1, 2010, all liberals shall relocated to Vermont. There will be no guns allowed; free health care; 100% income tax; free education; full retirement benefits; no military; 100% living-wage jobs; no evil corporations; food stamps for all; no Bibles; no anti-immigration laws; and free insulation for all homes. After 10 years, we will review the social consequences of these utopian, liberal dreams.

Have fun, Libbies!


10 posted on 12/31/2009 10:24:54 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: uncbob

I agree about the gang murders.

I think the point is that gang members murders of those of us who are armed citizens is down.


11 posted on 12/31/2009 10:26:07 AM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: GVnana

“FBI Reports Huge Decrease in Murders as Gun Sales Soar”

Let me rephrase this article, in MSM lingo:

“FBI Reports Huge Decrease in Murders DESPITE Soaring Gun Sales”


12 posted on 12/31/2009 10:29:07 AM PST by BobL (When Democrats start to love this country more than they hate Republicans, good things might happen.)
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To: uncbob
Not sure how gun sales lower that number

If more average Joes walking down the street might be packing, an "urban youth" might be a bit more circumspect about popping a cap in one of the rival community organizers.

More guns among the general law-abiding population means that fewer criminals want to publicly commit any faux pas that might cause a citizen to chastise him with an application of lead.

Remember the three requirements for a crime: Means, motive and opportunity.

A more heavily armed general population reduces opportunity, thus a lower crime rate.

13 posted on 12/31/2009 10:31:43 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: GVnana

Ha Obama will take credit for cutting violence in the country...


14 posted on 12/31/2009 10:33:04 AM PST by crazydad
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To: GVnana

I suppose DumBO will take credit, since, his election drove people to buy guns.


15 posted on 12/31/2009 10:35:59 AM PST by depressed in 06 (Tea parties today, Lexington tomorrow.)
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To: GVnana
Not good news for the Brady Bunch band of anti-gun nuts. Probably part of the same bunch who wonder why there are more people in prison if the crime rates are going down. Idiots all.
16 posted on 12/31/2009 10:36:19 AM PST by JPG (Al Gore, the several million degree man.)
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To: goodnesswins

The looney liberals will site 36,000+ gun deaths /yr in the US. But they will not tell you how many of those gun deaths were the result of police action agains criminals, law abiding citizens defending themselves from the criminal element, and/or gangland and drug related gun deaths between the criminal elements.

They want to call every one of them a murder by gun toting law abiding citizens. Witness the Brady bunch.

Compare that with the number of deaths each year from medical malpractice. (225,000/yr. in the US)


17 posted on 12/31/2009 10:41:40 AM PST by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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To: BobL

Soaring Gun Sales prevent an even larger decrease in Murder rate. FBI reports indicate that if gun sales would not have skyrocketed America could have seen the largest reduction in Murder rate since the 1960s. This is a clear indication that more common sense gun control is needed and will save lives.

Now go get your barf bag!


18 posted on 12/31/2009 10:42:37 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: crazydad

Yep.


19 posted on 12/31/2009 10:44:10 AM PST by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: chainsaw
Yes, the ignorant, idiotic over edjumacted "I smarter than you" killer gangs of pharma/medical killers are the greater elephant in the room .

They've killed a few of my friends and family, yet if I return the favor, I wonder if I'll get the same respect and pay?

20 posted on 12/31/2009 11:01:11 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: GVnana

And this is during a horrible economy when crime rates typically rise. The MSM will dutifully ignore this, of course.


21 posted on 12/31/2009 11:32:02 AM PST by dcgst4
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To: GVnana

I believe the graph looks like a hockey stick.


22 posted on 12/31/2009 11:41:47 AM PST by Cyman
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To: uncbob

Recorded gun sales are transacted between law abiding citizens and licensed dealers.

Therefore, there can’t be any correlation between recorded gun sales and criminal activity.


23 posted on 12/31/2009 11:44:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

That is not the point I am making

The big majority of murders are criminals settling differences so if the murder rate is down something is influencing that statistic and gun sales wouldn’t be it


24 posted on 12/31/2009 12:56:27 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Knitebane

Most murders are criminals killing each other and they know who they are .It isn’t some guy just walking down the street

A lot of the other murders are domestic violence

Legitimate gun ownership doesn’t affect these numbers so saying the drop of 10% is due to law abiding citizens owning more guns doesn’t compute


25 posted on 12/31/2009 12:59:59 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Mrs.Z

Without knowing the demographics of the victims No conclusion of that sort can be made —maybe it is true but without all the variables you can’t be sure


26 posted on 12/31/2009 1:02:12 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob
Legitimate gun ownership doesn’t affect these numbers so saying the drop of 10% is due to law abiding citizens owning more guns doesn’t compute

And yet the numbers have dropped.

27 posted on 12/31/2009 3:54:53 PM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

3 categories of murders

1. Criminals killing each other

2. Domestic violence

3. Criminals killing law abiding citizens

Increased gun ownership would only affect 3.

Without knowing the statistics for the 3 categories you can’t make any claims

BTW that would also hold true if the % went up


28 posted on 12/31/2009 4:33:35 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob

The claim from the left is that more guns means more murders. If there are more guns but less murders so much for that claim.


29 posted on 12/31/2009 4:36:59 PM PST by Tribune7 (Toll booths are devices funded by taxpayers to snarl traffic, waste gas and produce smog)
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To: Tribune7

Again it depends on the categories


30 posted on 12/31/2009 5:12:42 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob

It depends on the claim.


31 posted on 12/31/2009 5:13:44 PM PST by Tribune7 (Toll booths are devices funded by taxpayers to snarl traffic, waste gas and produce smog)
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To: GVnana

bump


32 posted on 12/31/2009 11:38:36 PM PST by VOA
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