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Three of Scientology's elite parishioners keep faith, but leave the church (Includes video)
The Saint Petersburg Times (Florida) / Tampa Bay.com ^ | December 31, 2009 | Joe Childs and Thomas C. Tobin

Posted on 12/31/2009 12:31:26 PM PST by Stoat

They advanced to the Church of Scientology's highest spiritual level, to "Operating Thetan VIII," a vaunted realm said to endow extraordinary powers of perception and force of will.

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Isene left first, a decision that emboldened Leavitt, who inspired Katz. Such departures are rare among the church's elite group of OT VIIIs, who are held up as role models in Scientology. The three each told the St. Petersburg Times that they had spent decades and hundreds of thousands of dollars to reach the church's spiritual pinnacle.

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The three OT VIIIs said they want reform of leadership. They pointed to the revelations by Rinder, Rathbun and others who told the Times that church leader David Miscavige resorted to violence to control and discipline key managers, assertions the church strongly denied.

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For an hour, an ethics officer posed questions while she held the metal cans of an e-meter, the electronic device used in auditing sessions.

Who are your friends?

How are your finances?

Do you have any money offshore?

"I'm sitting there trying to keep really calm and cool, and I'm going, 'This has gone completely gestapo.' "

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"I kept telling them, 'I'm not putting money on a credit card.' "

She said she was told: You're not with the program. You're not keeping Scientology working.

No, she told them, I guess I'm not. "I just walked out."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abuse; crime; cults; miscavige; scientologists; scientology
My apologies for the severe editing of this article....this was done in order to remain in compliance with Free Republic rules pertaining to the posting of articles from this source.  Please click on the main article link to read the full story.  It's worthwhile, in my view, as is the video.

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He joined Scientology at 18 and developed communication skills and the confidence to host a popular radio show. He learned to structure his time, curing his chronic problem with punctuality, and he found his creative side, writing poetry and short fiction.

Ummm....

And none of these more traditional routes will employ people who scream at you, hit you, destroy your family ties and endlessly harass you for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

1 posted on 12/31/2009 12:31:27 PM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Looks like they have gotten their Wittenburg door.


3 posted on 12/31/2009 12:34:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Stoat
insanity goes mainstream.

and spawns.

4 posted on 12/31/2009 12:36:38 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can read this you're too close.)
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To: Stoat

But but but don’t they want to become God of another world someday??

So short-sighted!!

//extreme sarcasm


5 posted on 12/31/2009 12:37:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: Stoat
"Operating Thetan VIII"

Must be much more expensive than "Operating Thetan VII".

However, they're still "keeping the faith", eh?
6 posted on 12/31/2009 12:40:28 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Stoat

Crazy


7 posted on 12/31/2009 12:40:45 PM PST by americanophile (Happy New Year to all!)
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To: Stoat

So ... two profoundly crazy people have departed from a group of slightly less crazy people. Okee doke.

I actually dated a Scientologist in high school. Nice girl. Completely certifiable ... but she was “top heavy”, so what did I care?

SnakeDoc


8 posted on 12/31/2009 12:41:24 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Ask not for a lighter burden, but for broader shoulders ...)
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To: oldskuulconserv

Looks like they need to invent an OT IX level, so that they can soak a few hundred thousand more dollars from these clueless dolts.


9 posted on 12/31/2009 12:41:46 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Stoat

10 posted on 12/31/2009 12:43:19 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: F15Eagle
"Operating Thetan VIII"

Are there parallels to a "practicing homosexual?"
11 posted on 12/31/2009 12:43:54 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Stoat

bookmark


12 posted on 12/31/2009 12:55:17 PM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: aruanan
Are there parallels to a "practicing homosexual?"

Not really. You can become a practicing homosexual for free.

13 posted on 12/31/2009 12:57:51 PM PST by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
I actually dated a Scientologist in high school. Nice girl. Completely certifiable ... but she was “top heavy”, so what did I care?

 Hussy animated

At certain times in our lives, different attributes of interpersonal relationships will be more important than others.  ;-)

14 posted on 12/31/2009 12:58:44 PM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: Stoat

Actually, certain attributes endure in importance — but luckily the wife’s also sensible, gracious, and definitely non-certifiable. ;)

SnakeDoc


15 posted on 12/31/2009 1:02:45 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (Ask not for a lighter burden, but for broader shoulders ...)
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To: F15Eagle

“Thetan” is satan pronounced with a lisp


16 posted on 12/31/2009 1:16:56 PM PST by gatorhead
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To: Stoat


"Operating Thetan VIII"... BWAAAAAAAAAAAhahahahahahaaa!!!
17 posted on 12/31/2009 1:25:18 PM PST by 4buttons
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To: Stoat; Elsie; Godzilla; reaganaut

Great Home Grown American Cults

The major cults:

Scientology
Mormonism
Jehovah’s Witnesses
Christian Science

And what is a cult:

First, there is the theological consideration. How consistent are the group’s beliefs with the basic tenets of the historic Christian faith? This evaluates the eternal significance of such beliefs.

Second, there is the social-psychological consideration. How are power, authority, and control exercised in the group? This evaluates techniques of manipulation and mind control.

Christians care about both of these issues in defining a cult. Sociologists care about the second only.

The major American cults qualify on both tests. Some have more couch jumping than others...


18 posted on 12/31/2009 1:28:53 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: gatorhead

lol


19 posted on 12/31/2009 1:32:14 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: GeronL
But but but don’t they want to become God of another world someday??

Isn't that the mormons? God and his wife, and you can become a god too...
20 posted on 12/31/2009 1:33:23 PM PST by OldGuard1
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To: Stoat

L. Ron Hubbard was a con artist. But from what I have heard, Miscavage is a thug.


21 posted on 12/31/2009 1:34:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 4buttons

What’s he doing? Trying to turn tomatoes into Scientologists?


22 posted on 12/31/2009 1:35:58 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: OldGuard1

lol.

How would I know??

They’re both strange. At least Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses are nice people.


23 posted on 12/31/2009 1:37:00 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: OldGuard1

Yeah, and don’t forget the being baptized for sins of your family so that they can upgrade the heavenly class. But only to 2nd class, first class is reserved for the real Mormons.


24 posted on 12/31/2009 1:38:45 PM PST by RonInNaples
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To: Stoat

To call non-Christian cult members such as the Scientologists, “parishioners” is a gross mis-use of the term. In fact, to call members of a Protestant church “parishioners” is incorrect. Neither the Scientologists nor Protestant churches have “parishes” or call their church buildings, a “parish”.


25 posted on 12/31/2009 1:47:38 PM PST by miele man
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To: miele man

Anglicans have parishes. Are you saying they aren’t Protestants?


26 posted on 12/31/2009 2:02:07 PM PST by hellbender
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To: miele man

Well, I suppose that since the Governments of several countries have collectively lost their minds and officially designated Scientology as a church then that makes them feel entitled to use other religious terminology as well, regardless of how improper it may be.....the ‘slippery slope’ and all. By adopting traditional, accepted terminologies they attempt to legitimize themselves.

The biologically-meaningless physical interactions between homosexuals are commonly referred to as ‘sex’.

Those who adhere to the fascism of political correctness and the endelssly-disproven, regressive policies of liberalism / socialism like to call themselves ‘intellectuals’ and ‘progressives’.

Communist street-thugs here in America like to call themselves “Community Organizers”.

The list goes on and on...by comandeering and stealing the language and twisting it to their own use, fringe and destuctive groups attempt to gain legitimacy and acceptance.


27 posted on 12/31/2009 2:05:45 PM PST by Stoat (Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

28 posted on 12/31/2009 2:26:19 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: the invisib1e hand
insanity goes mainstream. and spawns.

MORMONism split as soon as JS died.

Since then, it has fractured all over the place; with the Flds offshoot folks being the latest group in the news.

29 posted on 12/31/2009 2:37:13 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

These guys want a Scientology REFORMATION?!?!?

ROFLMHO!!!!

We now bring you the “Reformed Church of Scientology”.


30 posted on 12/31/2009 4:18:52 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: OldGuard1

Isn’t that the mormons? God and his wife, and you can become a god too...

- - - - -
Yep. They call it “exaltation”.


31 posted on 12/31/2009 4:21:54 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: RonInNaples; OldGuard1

Yeah, and don’t forget the being baptized for sins of your family so that they can upgrade the heavenly class.

- - - - - - -
And you have to learn the secret handshakes and pantomimes for them too.


32 posted on 12/31/2009 4:25:03 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: hellbender

No, I am not. Since I am an Anglican priest myself I certainly know that Anglicans have “parishes”


33 posted on 12/31/2009 7:15:04 PM PST by miele man
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To: miele man

Then why did you say that Protestant churches do not have parishes?


34 posted on 01/02/2010 6:56:54 AM PST by hellbender
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