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Gang Task Force's Building Rigged to Explode in Hemet [LA/San Jacinto CA]
NBC ^ | 12/31/2009

Posted on 12/31/2009 7:40:44 PM PST by Ladycalif

Updated 2:43 PM PST, Thu, Dec 31, 2009

Gang task force members in Hemet are lucky to alive Thursday after they noticed their office was flooded with natural gas in an apparently deliberate attempt to cause a deadly explosion, police said.

"It was basically designed so that once somebody came in and moved around a little bit, it would have gone off," said Hemet police Lt. Duane Wisehart. "At the very least, it would have leveled the building and killed whoever was inside."

Wisehart told the Southwest Riverside News Network that there is no doubt the trap was meant for members of the Hemet/San Jacinto Valley Gang Task Force.

Officers arriving for work were saved by their instincts."They were able to recognize right away that something was wrong," Wisehart told the North County Times.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; gang; gangs; helmet; helmetexploded; hemet; ied; immigrantlist; improvised; naturalgas; riverside; tm; wod; wot
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1 posted on 12/31/2009 7:40:45 PM PST by Ladycalif
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To: Ladycalif

/mark


2 posted on 12/31/2009 7:42:36 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Nobody move, Nobody get hurt)
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To: Ladycalif

I thought this was Hemet in Afghanistan.... :-(


3 posted on 12/31/2009 7:43:10 PM PST by spokeshave (Albore can uninvent the internet about as well as 0bama can unjump the shark)
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To: Ladycalif

as a rule, when you post stuff like this it is really, really good to put the location in the headline as in (CA) or somesuch. because most everyone has never heard of this place.


4 posted on 12/31/2009 7:44:29 PM PST by dep (how about next time we don't nominate someone who apologizes for being there)
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To: spokeshave

Must be those “disgruntled Vets” they warned us about. (sarc)


5 posted on 12/31/2009 7:45:01 PM PST by Ladycalif (Justice for Agent Rosas - Secure the Border.)
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To: tubebender; SouthTexas; Squantos; Larry Lucido

Some heads-up thinking saved some lives here.

As Squantos says: Stay Safe!


6 posted on 12/31/2009 7:46:25 PM PST by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: spokeshave

At first glance I thought their helmet’s blew up. What?


7 posted on 12/31/2009 7:47:38 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: Ladycalif

California becomes Venezuela?


8 posted on 12/31/2009 7:52:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: Ladycalif
Explode in Hemet

Explode in Helmet?

9 posted on 12/31/2009 7:52:30 PM PST by Lazamataz (America has been dead for a while; It's interesting to watch the cadaver cool.)
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To: Lazamataz

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=hemet%20ca&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl


10 posted on 12/31/2009 7:53:35 PM PST by Ladycalif (Justice for Agent Rosas - Secure the Border.)
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To: GeronL

Or Mexico?


11 posted on 12/31/2009 7:53:56 PM PST by Ladycalif (Justice for Agent Rosas - Secure the Border.)
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To: Ladycalif

So who’s helmet exploded?


12 posted on 12/31/2009 7:57:24 PM PST by Lazamataz (America has been dead for a while; It's interesting to watch the cadaver cool.)
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To: dep
Hemet is usually pretty close to Shemet.

Whichever one is North, and which is South, varies.

Cheers!

13 posted on 12/31/2009 7:59:30 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: dep
as a rule, when you post stuff like this it is really, really good to put the location in the headline as in (CA) or somesuch. because most everyone has never heard of this place.

Hemet is just north of Sholdas

14 posted on 12/31/2009 7:59:45 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over-production, too much food, one of the annual top 5 worries of the American Farmer)
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To: Lazamataz

So who’s helmet exploded?

lol That was my first read as well - those dang exploding helmets when are the gubberment gunna do sufin bout dem.

Mel


15 posted on 12/31/2009 8:00:35 PM PST by melsec (Jesus is the reason for the season!)
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To: Ladycalif
Gang task force members in Hemet are lucky to alive Thursday after they noticed their office was flooded with natural gas in an apparently deliberate attempt to cause a deadly explosion, police said. "It was basically designed so that once somebody came in and moved around a little bit, it would have gone off," said Hemet police Lt. Duane Wisehart. "At the very least, it would have leveled the building and killed whoever was inside."

I don't get it, you walk in and smell gas, you turn off the gas, what does it mean "It was basically designed so that once somebody came in and moved around a little bit, it would have gone off,"?

Once I went with a friend to evict a tenant, no one answered the door but I thought that I smelled gas, so I told my friend, "let's go back downstairs and turn it off at the meter, fetch a ladder and go through a window (in case the door was rigged)", it just wasn't a big deal.

16 posted on 12/31/2009 8:02:56 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: Ladycalif

I think this will qualify for the stupidest act of 2009. Just in time, too.


17 posted on 12/31/2009 8:03:23 PM PST by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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To: Ladycalif
Officers arriving for work were saved by their instincts."

Good grief. What drivel. They were "saved" by their noses when they went in and smelled the damn gas. The End.

18 posted on 12/31/2009 8:08:14 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Ladycalif

Just what I was thinking-another gift from Mexico in that they have no compuntion about killing cops.


19 posted on 12/31/2009 8:16:52 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: ansel12
You're dealing with a lot of variables. A few weeks ago in Knoxville a house blew up due to gas. I mean as in nothing left gone. No real warning and two of the residents were asleep and were blown out of the house and survived. Their son who likely must have been the unfortunate one to trigger the spark when he came home didn't make it out alive.

Gas can concentrate in lower areas like basements, air ducts, etc, and blow a structure sky high with nary a sniff of foul odor noticed.

20 posted on 12/31/2009 8:29:57 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Ladycalif

21 posted on 12/31/2009 8:34:26 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ladycalif

The story doesn’t really describe what was “rigged.” Was is just a gas leak?


22 posted on 12/31/2009 8:35:26 PM PST by TankerKC (If gravity is a law, why won't my corn nuts ever fall out of the vending machine?)
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To: cva66snipe

But where is the drama, the first cop smells gas, tells all the union employees to not go in, he turns off the meter as everyone in earthquake country knows how to do (the wrench is usually chained to the meter) and they wait for the plumber to show up.


23 posted on 12/31/2009 8:36:47 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: Ladycalif

Pulled into Hemet at 3AM after a 10hr drive
from NorCal. Got a room and was up and on my way
to pick up a kid to take back to a NorCal group
home by 9:30AM. This was a couple of summers
ago.

What I can’t understand is within the vast
area of what the SoCalers refer to as the
Inland Empire with countless communities
and millions of people why would anybody
be interested in wiping out a gang task
force in a podunk town like Hemet? What
about Riverside, San Bernardino, Redlands?

If Hemet is ground zero I hope I don’t
ever have to go back.........


24 posted on 12/31/2009 8:37:33 PM PST by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: cva66snipe
Gas can concentrate in lower areas like basements, air ducts, etc, and blow a structure sky high with nary a sniff of foul odor noticed.

You are wrong by the way, this is natural gas, not propane, natural gas wants to get away, not puddle, and it stinks to high heaven.

25 posted on 12/31/2009 8:39:01 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12

Gas pip fitters don’t like being called plumbers. REALLY don’t like it. Fighting words.


26 posted on 12/31/2009 8:41:29 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Over-production, too much food, one of the annual top 5 worries of the American Farmer)
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To: cva66snipe

Natural gas is mostly methane, lighter than air, and it is somewhat difficult to blow up a building with it. Propane on the other hand is heavier than air, fills basements and crawl spaces, and then blows the building to flinders. I’ve been looking for a chance to use flinders in a sentence.


27 posted on 12/31/2009 8:42:23 PM PST by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: Lazamataz
So who’s helmet exploded?

The helmet itself didn't explode, the building inside the helmet exploded. It was rigged that way.

Can't you read?

28 posted on 12/31/2009 8:42:39 PM PST by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: Ladycalif

Gang Task Force headquarters?

Sounds like it could have been a script for “The Shield”.


29 posted on 12/31/2009 8:43:39 PM PST by Mr. Jazzy ("I AM JIM THOMPSON and moderates make me PUKE!!!")
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To: ansel12

Let’s just say I wouldn’t want to have been within two blocks. The drama is anything including a cell phone or static electric discharge in the area could mean BOOM. You also have floor drains etc to consider which in some areas run outside or underneath buildings into the city storm drain system. As I said gas naturally lays low. Something as simple as weather conditions can mean more so.


30 posted on 12/31/2009 8:45:26 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: dep
Hemet is a relatively new city in California that grew up fast as a retiremnet community. No economic base whatsoever and too remote to commute to a job. At one time it was very well off, mostly old folks. Then as the old folks died off there was a housing surplus. The County found out and filled up this housing with section8 welfare recipients.

Now it is a hellhole

31 posted on 12/31/2009 8:45:45 PM PST by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: Ladycalif

I used to fly out to Hemet years ago when I was taking flying lessons out of Long Beach. Not much out there.


32 posted on 12/31/2009 8:47:34 PM PST by beelzepug (This administration is a tagline-rich environment.)
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To: cva66snipe
As I said gas naturally lays low.

No, natural gas does not lay low, it is lighter than air and tries to escape, it wants out, it does not puddle and settle into floor drains and basements and under buildings, even under a house that has had a long term gas leak (natural gas), it always escapes through the vents and openings, it takes an effort to trap it.

33 posted on 12/31/2009 8:52:35 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12
I can see the potentials and understand the risk others may not because I'm a retired commercial building maintenance mechanic and gas fired boiler operator.
34 posted on 12/31/2009 8:54:16 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Ladycalif

I worked in the building next door to the business of a nutjob who had rigged it to blow up by opening the gas valves or whatever and setting up candles I think it was. Then he went and killed his family and his dog, drove out of town and eventually shot himself when the cops started to catch up with him. The cops said if he had been successful it would have taken out his building plus ours and the one on the other side at least. These were pretty old buildings. They evacuated the whole block if I recall correctly. I couldn’t start my car (parked on the street), they wouldn’t let anybody do anything.


35 posted on 12/31/2009 8:58:15 PM PST by visualops (Pray for the USA)
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To: cva66snipe

I own a repair plumbing business and run and repair gas lines and appliances, trace leaks, etc., I am the guy that ran all that gas to your boiler and the entire building, and the guy that will handle the repairs over the life of the building.


36 posted on 12/31/2009 9:00:31 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: ansel12
You are wrong by the way, this is natural gas, not propane, natural gas wants to get away, not puddle, and it stinks to high heaven.

So was the home that blew up. It was on city NG service. Many things including barometric pressure determine how fast it rises, if it rises, or if it concentrates in lower areas.

37 posted on 12/31/2009 9:01:21 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: glock rocks
There was a book by PT Deuterman, Hunting Season, that involved something similar. A guy whose son was killed at Waco decided to take out the ATF headquarters. He pumped the building full of hydrogen gas. The hero managed to get the building evacuated, but it still exploded.

A hydrogen bomb without a nuclear explosion.

38 posted on 12/31/2009 9:03:44 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry. - Oliver Cromwell)
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To: cva66snipe

I don’t get your point, we all know that natural gas can explode if confined and ignited.

But natural gas does not puddle, it wants to dissipate, you keep talking about it as though it is propane, natural gas will seek an escape, propane wants to stay in place if it can.


39 posted on 12/31/2009 9:07:56 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: tickmeister

A couple buildings blow up from natural gas leaks each year in Wisconsin. I’ve seen the aftermath. One destroyed three houses and broke windows half a mile away.

Modern buildings are quite well sealed and keep the gas trapped until it’s set off.


40 posted on 12/31/2009 9:24:41 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: sig226

What do you mean?


41 posted on 12/31/2009 9:27:04 PM PST by HollyB
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To: TankerKC

I live here in Hemet. Here is local paper’s story. Gas line was intentionally tampered with.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/publicsafety/stories/PE_News_Local_S_gas01.386ad19.html

Been here 21 years and I love my little city.


42 posted on 12/31/2009 9:29:24 PM PST by CaliGirl-R
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To: Balding_Eagle
Gas pip fitters don’t like being called plumbers. REALLY don’t like it. Fighting words.

I don't know what a gas pipe fitter is, but as a California plumber, I know that a plumber was called to handle the situation and will handle what ever gas repairs have to be done to that building.

43 posted on 12/31/2009 9:30:00 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: MediaMole

One reason I heat with wood. I have yet to hear of a woodpile leaking into a house and exploding.


44 posted on 12/31/2009 9:37:12 PM PST by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: ansel12
But natural gas does not puddle, it wants to dissipate, you keep talking about it as though it is propane, natural gas will seek an escape, propane wants to stay in place if it can.

Molecular weight of methane around 16, air around 29, propane around 44. For the most part true.

I worked as a fireman for the emergency crew of a natural gas company, and for the most part the leaking methane would sit and haunt if there wasn't a wind, or if it was somewhat confined.

Trenches and bell holes took out their share of engineers and welders. A dangerous mix of air and gas stayed in place if it was being replenished by the leak... I saw yard leaks take down houses, but have also watched welders cap leaks in live lines without mishap. I think 6-15% was the threshold. With a blowing leak, the % was higher than the combustion mix.

I got to watch from the side of the trenches with the nozzle of a huge CO2 extinguisher in one hand, and the rescue line strung down in the trench around the welder's waist in the other. The bigger worry was him passing out from lack of O2.

45 posted on 12/31/2009 9:45:08 PM PST by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: ansel12
Assume the worse when dealing with such. Don't look so much at probabilities as much as possibilities in fire safety. Sometimes you'll smell the NG before it hits explosive levels in a structure sometimes you won't. When you do you still can not judge how much the concentration is inside. But It can also still be at a dangerous accumulation level below you even in your own home and you not smell it. The people in Knoxville had just smelled a trace of NG a few days earlier.

Personally after smelling it I would react prevention and response wise on a worse case scenario basis. It will dissipate normally under ideal conditions. So will Carbon Monoxide too if allowed. Wood smoke also wants to rise and dissipate under Normal Conditions. Watch it as a front moves through though how it hangs close to the ground.

Normal Conditions are usually not what kill you though. It's just like when a low pressure system comes through you have to take extra precautions with using gas powered generators and vehicles etc around structures.

BTW I was also a fire fighter at one point. That training saved my life one night in a way not many would even think about. I had a kerosene heater going in my storage shed. It wasn't insulated and I left the door well cracked. The door likely by wind closed. I had been sitting down and felt a little light headed. I looked over at the wick and it was going dim. I dove for the door at that point. I knew it meant lack of oxygen by how the wick was acting. That was because I used to test for explosives and survival O2 levels with what was called a mining flame saftey lamp. Not something I had expected to happen but it did.

46 posted on 12/31/2009 9:46:53 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Sivad

We have a big case going on out here. A 17 yo gang member shot, chopped up and burned in a pit in his backyard, another 17 yo. He is on the run with his girlfriend, whose dad happens to be a Mongrol. Her parents were recently arrested on weapons charges. It’s a real crazy case.

Then a couple of weeks ago, one of our officers got shot at(pierced his driver’s side door) by a gang memeber and they did a big gang sweep that day. I listened to the whole incident on my scanner.


47 posted on 12/31/2009 9:50:59 PM PST by CaliGirl-R
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To: cva66snipe

Being the guy that people call when they have gas problems, and dangerous gas situations, I manage to get by. If you call the gas company first, then they lock the meter and make you call me before they will return your service.


48 posted on 12/31/2009 9:52:06 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: glock rocks
Trenches and bell holes took out their share of engineers and welders. A dangerous mix of air and gas stayed in place if it was being replenished by the leak...

I can see that, a trench can be an issue, as can certain situations under a house and such, I have run into a couple of situations where the conditions were just wrong when I was looking for a leak (while the gas was still on), but I could always stop the gas at it's source for my work.

49 posted on 12/31/2009 9:57:10 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: Ladycalif
Somebody's been watching too many episodes of NCIS: LA and believing it.
50 posted on 12/31/2009 9:57:30 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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