Posted on 01/01/2010 2:20:15 AM PST by DGHoodini
The decision to unleash security forces with live rounds on unarmed protesters in Central Tehran on Sunday, shouted louder than any words from opposition leaders ever could have, that the government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad feels materially threatened by the growing uprising in Iran.
Gone was the pretense that this is a minority that could soon be whipped into line as first the security forces then the Iranian parliament gave the game away.
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Now Moussavi in response to Sunday's clashes has said that he is ready to die for the rights of the people.
"I have no hesitation about becoming one of the martyrs for realizing the religious and national rights of the people,"
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My blood is the same colour as that of my [killed] supporters. But imprisoning and killing the Moussavis and Karroubis, would definitely not solve the problems as the people's protests have in the meantime developed their own momentum," Moussavi said.
And right there you have the chilling message that Ahmadinejad and his government must have been dreading all along. The fact that in the death of Mousavi and others like him they will not find political redemption.
If anything it will galvanize those dead set on ridding Iran of the current regime to intensify the pressure into what may fast be becoming a counter-revolution.
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Obama’s been a complete ass on this issue. He hasn’t declared solidarity with the Iranian Protesters and he hasn’t declared the government ‘illegitimate.’ He’s trying to keep the door open to the Mullahs in case they remain in power, so he can attempt to feebly ‘resolve’ the Iranian Nuke question. Sure Obama made speeches days after the protests and the slayings, but he made sure he didn’t offend the regime too much.
The fact of the matter is, if the regime in Iran were toppled overnight, nukes in the hands of the theocracy wouldn’t be an issue any longer. Given the circumstances, a declaration of Solidarity by Obama with the protesters and declaring the Iranian regime ‘illegitimate’ might actually accelerate the overthrow of the Mullahs.
Obama missed his ‘tear down this wall’ moment when he decided he would rather negotiate with murderous thugs than support the Iranian people who are being murdered and oppressed by their government.
I see the overthrow of the Iranian regime as inevitable. It’s not a question of if, but when. I also see it as a direct consequence of Regime change in Iraq. Yeah, call me a ‘Neo-Con’ but Iraq was the first domino and Iran might be the 2nd...
The Bush Legacy. In the end, history will be kind to Bush even though many of us were very short-sighted.
In the lamentably unlikely event that the revolution succeeds, Iran will still be either ruled (top down) or governed (bottom up) by muslims, who will probably still want nuclear weapons, and probably won’t see us as bosom friends. The jury has just convened to determine whether “moderate muslim” is an oxymoron or a real possibility.
However, We the People should be doing all we can to help the revolutionaries: they may be sane enough to act in their own interests, which may not be diametrically opposed to ours, as Iran’s present aims are. Trouble is, I don’t know what We can do, and I do know our POS POTUS will do nothing beneficial: he’s good at stirring chaos, but not worth a damn at anything constructive, and in this case, I think the fool wants chaos. [Doom and gloom: sorry.]
There will be no revolution. Revolutions happen when the ruling class lose faith in their own right to rule. I see no sign of that. What we are seeing in Iran is the beginning of a civil war. Let's hope it gets preempted by a coup, otherwise I think things are about to get very bloody.
I’d say that revolutions happen when the revolutionaries believe they can win — I doubt King George ever lost faith in his Divine Right to rule — but you’re certainly right in substance. Iran’s best hope is that the Revolutionary Guard is apparently split somewhere near it middle on going against its current bosses, or crushing the people.
You don't have to cut off its head. Think of Iran as a juggler trying to set a world's record for handling the most objects at once. To throw the juggler off his attempt you don't have to kill him or injure him, or touch him at all. Just distract him for a second and all the things he's juggling will take care of him for you.
That's where the US is with Iran. They are into all sorts of bad things all over the globe. Plus they have serious trouble right there in River City. Someone needs to sneak up behind the juggler and yell “Gotcha!” Or say out loud “Gosh, is that a pig I see heading this way?”
IMHO, there is simply no way to explain all we see from the Oval Office other than its occupant is a Muslim. He does not have the best interest of America and her people at heart. He goes through the motions, but you can tell his heart's just not in it. Again IMHO, I suspect he's pulling for the visiting team.
That's the problem. Identifying the problem was the easy part. The solution is the hard part. Ridding Congress of his enablers come Nov. will be the start. Then we have a year or two to work on the next step, Sarah Palin.
I’m hoping conservatives all over this country are watching and learning.
IO think mousavi was saying that the hardliners will not stop the ‘Green Movement by killing those they think lead it.
It will only make Mousavi and Karoubi et al, into more martyrs for the opposition to avenge. I agree. It wasn’t and isn’t really about them. They are merely spokesmen for the movement, and many times they’ve had to run to jump in front of the crowd to look like they are leading it. If the hardliners kill them, they just might as well prepare for civil war...no matter how much they think killing these meddlesom clerics will solve their problems.
I wasn’t too clear was I? I meant to compare Iran and its government, not the dissenters, to a juggler. My bad. I shouldn’t be allowed to read posts and type responses before noon or so, it takes me that long to get my mind and my eyes and my fingers all on the same page.
Great point though, they are handling this in all the wrong ways! Everything they do stop the people just ends up giving the people more impetus! I wish the US would get off it’s dead butt and help shape the revolution into something that would be good for us. I have no doubt the people will succeed if they choose to, but it would be good for us if they could do so feeling like we were there for them when the chips were down.
I will never understand how we are such a great nation and yet we’ve let ourselves come to this point.
......I don’t know what We can do.....
The fact is, you don’t know what we might be doing already. Bush undoubtedly set wheels in Iran rolling. They might be our forces or they might be Iraqi or Saudi, or Israeli or all the above
All Obama had to do is nothing. The secret is secret and thus unknown by his radical left wing
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