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Vladimir Putin says Russian population rising
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8435162.stm ^

Posted on 01/01/2010 3:36:27 AM PST by kronos77

Russia's population statistics are rising for the first time since 1995, says Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Mr Putin said that for the past five years the number of deaths had declined, while births had risen. He said statistics to be released shortly would show life-expectancy had almost reached the age of 69. As president, Mr Putin brought in policies to stop population decline, which has been blamed on emigration, alcoholism, and poor health care. 'Symbolic amount' "We can say with a high degree of confidence that Russia will register a growth in population for the first time since 1995," said Mr Putin at an end-of-year government meeting broadcast on state television. His spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the total anticipated population growth in 2009 was only about 20,000 - but he said this was a "symbolic" amount. Health Minister Tatyana Golikova said the first month of population growth in 15 years came in August this year, when the birth rate increased by 1,000. Figures published in November said Russia's population stood at 141.9 million.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: birthrate; news; russia

1 posted on 01/01/2010 3:36:30 AM PST by kronos77
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To: kronos77

But did all the growth come from Moslems?


2 posted on 01/01/2010 3:53:18 AM PST by Eternal_Bear (`)
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To: Eternal_Bear

That would be my guess. Most Russians are still drinking and aborting themselves into oblivion.


3 posted on 01/01/2010 3:56:47 AM PST by turducken
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To: kronos77

Sure they are.

That’s why they had a national day of procreation last year.

The truth of the matter is that by 2050, the Russian people will cease to exist as a people with any common identity or socio-political effectiveness.

And they know that their neighbor in China has 15,000,000 “extra” men due to selective abortion that have no hope of ever marrying and having families.

And they know further that China wants the land back that the Soviets took.

Control of oil is the only hope that the former Soviets and dying Russians have of maintaining any type of power and relevance.


4 posted on 01/01/2010 4:03:31 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: kronos77

Discounting muslim immigration, which Russia will surely regret, methinks Prime Minister Vladimir Putin lieth, as usual. Weren’t they losing about half a million a year? If muslims are coming in fast enough to overcome that, Russia has a huge problem looming.


5 posted on 01/01/2010 4:16:19 AM PST by JohnQ1 ("(BHO) can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know." - A Lincoln)
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To: kronos77
"We can say with a high degree of confidence that Russia will register a growth in population for the first time since 1995," ....or else!!
6 posted on 01/01/2010 4:39:06 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: kronos77

This is sort of like a decline in the American unemployment rate of .01% If true, it is outside the limits of measuring precision


7 posted on 01/01/2010 4:44:01 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . What ever I do is what shall be)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

china will face demographic decline in 40 years as well. Once all the generation who have gone thru the one child policy all die out, China will experience a sharp decline in population


8 posted on 01/01/2010 5:35:30 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: 4rcane

You are very correct on China. In fact is is now said by many researchers that China has probably made the greatest blunder in history.

China will go within 40 years from a low income country to an ageing country and will never enjoy the fruits of its hard work in the 80s, 90s and zeros

Due to thier crazy one child policy introduced in the 60s (but fully enforced in the 70s) they now have an inverted pyramid coming up.

Once this generation reaches retirement age, the generation below it will be SMALLER in actual numbers. This is unheard of in any society

This is one of the critical reasons why many respected futurists say that the second half of the 21st century will belong to India (which has been trending naturally towards a replacement level, much like the US) rather than China.

IN 2050 India will have double (yes, double!!) the working population of China and thus will be poised to be the richest country (gross.. not per capita) in the world as their young population produces and spends

There are many who believe that GWBush saw a lot of these studies and made a longer term bet on India choosing to walk away from China


9 posted on 01/01/2010 5:58:29 AM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: 4rcane

I think it will happen a lot sooner that through massive warfare, which is where this global, financial Armageddon is headed.


10 posted on 01/01/2010 6:00:32 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
retirement.

ROFL

Retirement is an artificial construct invented during The Great Depression to free up jobs for younger workers who were unemployed. I doubt the Chinnesse retire.

11 posted on 01/01/2010 6:10:46 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Smart Chinese men will marry Russian women.


12 posted on 01/01/2010 6:12:37 AM PST by Chickensoup (We have the government we deserve.)
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To: kronos77

It is likely that Putin is lying about this, one, as he probably does about most things. i would ask how the life expectancy got from somewhere in the 50s to 69 in just a couple of years. Maybe that’s just the politboro.

Abortion remains a huge problem. I believe darkness continues to descend on Russia.

I speak as someone who has been there a couple of times.


13 posted on 01/01/2010 6:36:54 AM PST by Phillipian
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To: kronos77
"...for the past five years the number of deaths had declined.."

KGB shot fewer citizens?

14 posted on 01/01/2010 6:44:47 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Funny, I thought India was busy aborting baby girls too? I seem to remember watching a 60 Minutes segment on that way back when (when I used to watch 60 Minutes). They had ultrasound clinics on every corner just for the purpose of identifying and aborting female embroyos.


15 posted on 01/01/2010 6:45:52 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Once this generation reaches retirement age, the generation below it will be SMALLER in actual numbers. This is unheard of in any society.


I should also add that, at some point, it would be a good thing if global population stabilized or even fell some. Not sure what the number should be, but I don’t think we’re doing ourselves any big favors by doubling our population every 40 years or so. I understand the implications for economic growth, but you have to balance that with quality of life. Unfortunately, the term “demographic winter” applies only to industrialized societies, not the Third World.


16 posted on 01/01/2010 6:50:40 AM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: TXnMA

The time to watch will be when Russia bans abortion.


17 posted on 01/01/2010 7:49:17 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: rbg81

India definitely has a problem with baby girl abortions. However, one very salient point is that it is actually Illegal in India to abort a female fetus.

The goverment is perpetually conducting crackdowns on ultra sound clinics

So, while the practice does survive in clandestine clinics it is not in the open and people are afraid of getting caught. Over time, as India’s law enforcement mechanism improves they will significantly tamp down on this practice.

Even today except for some Northern states, the sex ratio has made a comeback in most of India

The difference with China is that China encourages abortions and funds them. In India, if you abort a female you are a criminal with 14 years of imprisonment if you get convicted. This pushes off most people from trying it. The old maxim rules. The richer you get the more you have to lose, the more you follow the law.


18 posted on 01/01/2010 8:20:33 AM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Population growth must be tempered with developing the skills/education level of the population. 100 million poorly educated, malnourished people are not going to be as productive as 50 million well educated people.

The key is to strike a balance between population growth, infrastructural development, and education. A country that can strike that balance will be in much better shape than one which cannot.


19 posted on 01/01/2010 11:52:11 AM PST by artaxerces
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To: artaxerces

Excellent point. Which is one of the reasons Sub Saharan Africa will continue to be the poorest region of the world.

They have the world’s highest fertility rate but no infrastructural growth

India and China are (finally) pursuing heavy infrastructure growth including the basics like education

This is why most futurists tend to be positive on India but negative on Nigeria


20 posted on 01/01/2010 1:18:55 PM PST by SoftwareEngineer
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To: rbg81
They had ultrasound clinics on every corner just for the purpose of identifying and aborting female embroyos.

That's what I remember too ... not much respect for women - bride burnings and all...

21 posted on 01/01/2010 1:31:19 PM PST by GOPJ (Success is cast as evil and punished while failure is blamed on others and rewarded.-Rand)
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To: JohnQ1
actually conditions have been improving dramatically in Russia in every possible way, including demographics, since Putin came to power. We can delude ourselves as much as we want to, but he is insanely popular there - and with a reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Natural_Population_Growth_Trends_in_Russia.png
22 posted on 01/01/2010 4:42:23 PM PST by RolandOfGilead
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To: kronos77
Who in Russia will dispute what Putin says? Putin is a lier and if anyone dares to say he is not telling the truth that person dies.
23 posted on 01/01/2010 4:58:07 PM PST by kempo
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