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Pope Benedict XVI: we must all go green to save the planet
U.K. Telegraph ^ | 1-1-10 | Nick Squires

Posted on 01/01/2010 1:45:09 PM PST by TitansAFC

He said people needed to change how they live their lives and called for "ecological responsibility" to be taught in schools.....

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1 posted on 01/01/2010 1:45:11 PM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

how sad


2 posted on 01/01/2010 1:48:11 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: TitansAFC

I guess he hit his head when that woman knocked him down.


3 posted on 01/01/2010 1:48:46 PM PST by StandUpChuck
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To: TitansAFC

So what does ecological responsibility mean?

Sorry Pope not buying it, please stick to theology, thanks.


4 posted on 01/01/2010 1:48:51 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: TitansAFC

How does “going green” actually “save da planet?” I can’t see how making the commies richer would “save” anything.


5 posted on 01/01/2010 1:48:58 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Remember in November! Throw all of the bums out!)
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To: TitansAFC

Is that really what he said or is it Nick Squire’s spin on it?


6 posted on 01/01/2010 1:50:01 PM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: TitansAFC

,,, he’s tried to rope in all the disenchanted Anglicans; now he’s for the green market segment. The up and coming global church is fast becoming a division of the UN.


7 posted on 01/01/2010 1:50:47 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: TitansAFC

You cannot serve two masters, Gaia and God. I don’t recall Jesus saying we need to recycle, or was he just behind the times?


8 posted on 01/01/2010 1:50:57 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: TitansAFC

Da pope gotta learn dat “green weenying” is below his holy joe paygrade!


9 posted on 01/01/2010 1:51:41 PM PST by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And *Still* Not A F'n Commie Basterd!)
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To: TitansAFC

There’s a difference between being responsible stewards of God’s Earth and communism in the guise of environmental wackoism.


10 posted on 01/01/2010 1:52:57 PM PST by YankeeReb (Pray for 0bama Psalm 109:8 ; May his days be short. May another take his office.)
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To: TitansAFC

The Pope needs to read a book called “Trees”. He will understand why we shouldn’t go green.


11 posted on 01/01/2010 1:53:31 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: TitansAFC

Al Gore for Pope!


12 posted on 01/01/2010 1:54:20 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
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To: TitansAFC

Global warming is the religion of atheists and secularists and those who refuse to realize that God is in control of the climate and not man.

It seems that the Pope has been seduced by the religion of the left.


13 posted on 01/01/2010 1:54:20 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: TitansAFC
Embarrassing. Pope is becoming irrelevant with such nonsense, and I'm a Domer.
14 posted on 01/01/2010 1:54:26 PM PST by fuente
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To: TitansAFC
"I would like to underline the importance of the choices of individuals,"

1. The Pope only speaks to Catholics.

2. The Pope says "choices"

3. Points 1 & 2 will mean nothing to the usual suspects.

15 posted on 01/01/2010 1:54:54 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (They didn't like " Merry Christmas"... well then - Happy New Year of our Lord 2010!)
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To: EBH
Is that really what he said or is it Nick Squire’s spin on it?

Spin. The Pope actually only said common sense things such as "An objective shared by all, an indispensable condition for peace, is that of overseeing the earth's natural resources with justice and wisdom".

What sane person would disagree with that?

16 posted on 01/01/2010 1:55:06 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: TitansAFC
I don't like the communists that took over the envirmental movement but there is nothing wrong with saving the environment. I love the environment and the chinese are wrecking it. Everyone loves clean water and air.


17 posted on 01/01/2010 1:55:33 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: P-Marlowe
It would seem they, whoever "they" might be, have not yet translated "Climategate" into a language the Pope is comfortable with.

He'll be caught up on the news shortly though ~ if not "here", "there".

18 posted on 01/01/2010 1:56:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: TitansAFC

This is from Catholic News Service on the Pope’s address:

“Pope offers thanks for 2009, encourages solidarity in 2010

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) — As 2009 came to a close and a new year was about to be ushered in, Pope Benedict XVI invited the world’s Christians to look beyond the passage of time toward eternity.

Presiding over an evening prayer service with eucharistic adoration and the singing of a special hymn of thanksgiving to God Dec. 31, the pope said that with the birth of Christ earthly time was “touched by Christ” and took on a “new and surprising meaning: it became the time of salvation and grace.”

The prayer service in St. Peter’s Basilica was the pope’s first public liturgy in the basilica since Christmas Eve when a mentally disturbed woman leapt over a barrier and knocked the pope down as he processed to the altar.

Italian state and military police were out in force New Year’s Eve, keeping everyone out of St. Peter’s Square until they showed their ticket for the liturgy and passed through a metal detector or were cleared by an officer with a metal-detecting wand.

After the prayer service, the pope went by popemobile into St. Peter’s Square where, under an increasingly heavy rain, he visited the Vatican’s Nativity scene. While the Swiss Guard band played Christmas hymns, the pope entered the grotto housing the larger-than-life-sized figures of the Holy Family and knelt in prayer.

In his homily, the pope said people must look back at the past year and forward to the new year recognizing that God has transformed human history into the history of salvation.

“The various events of our lives — important or small, simple or undecipherable, joyful or sad” — should be understood in the context of God’s great love for each person and the invitation he extends to everyone to set out toward “a goal that is beyond time itself: eternity,” the pope said.

“God became human and gives human beings the unheard of possibility of being children of God,” he said. “This fills us with great joy and leads us to raise our praises to God.”

“With our voices, our hearts and our lives, we are called to say our thanks to God for the gift of his son, who is the source and fulfillment of all the other gifts” with which God has blessed humanity, the pope said.

Pope Benedict encouraged Catholics to make a New Year’s resolution to spend more time reading the Bible so that they could become more credible witnesses to God’s loving plan of salvation.

“The word believed, proclaimed and lived gives rise to acts of solidarity and sharing,” he said. While thanking Catholics for their acts of charity in 2009, the pope said he wanted “to encourage everyone to continue their commitment to alleviating the difficulties in which many families still find themselves because of the economic crisis.”

END

I’d have to read the actual text from his address since the UK papers and the US papers for that matter often “misinterpret” what has actually been said.


19 posted on 01/01/2010 1:56:40 PM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: TitansAFC
I am ready to "go green" though.

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20 posted on 01/01/2010 1:56:42 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Remember in November! Throw all of the bums out!)
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To: gunnyg

Dere be some politiks that do overlap into da church—like free rubbers, abortions, etc.—but he best not be stirring up the out-and-out nwo issues!


21 posted on 01/01/2010 1:56:45 PM PST by gunnyg (Just An Old Gunny ~ And *Still* Not A F'n Commie Basterd!)
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To: Steve Van Doorn
What could be wrong with the pope interjecting that we should take care of our earth? Look at the mess the dems left after the inauguration of our leader. And look how nicely the same grounds were taken care of by the tea party folks. Of course, we should be going green. Recycle, compost heaps, dump the chemicals and bring on a more organic way of raising crops is good as well ... (my brother-in-law runs an organic farm ... the food is absolutely incredible and the land isn't hampered by chemicals).

pope = good great man!
22 posted on 01/01/2010 1:57:25 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: P-Marlowe

The pope should preach Christ crucifixion and resurrection instead of the green hoax.


23 posted on 01/01/2010 2:00:37 PM PST by tractorman
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To: TitansAFC
Many on this forum were ecstatic when this Pope came into office. I didn't see why.

The minute I heard that he was opposed to the War in Iraq I had him pegged.

This is further proof that he leans pretty far left. Very poor choice to base his New Year's Speech on the environment. Should have spoken about individual freedom instead.

24 posted on 01/01/2010 2:00:41 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: TitansAFC

The Pope is often misunderstood by the common newspaper reporter.

Example one is when the Pope called for the consideration of Natural Law. http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2007/schall_benxvinatlaw_oct07.asp

Benedict especially lamented the failure to “recognize that the innate dignity of every individual rests on his or her deepest identity — as image of the Creator — and therefore that human rights are universal, based on the natural law.”

Just as you work to protect the natural world from exploitation, Benedict told the young, you also must defend the dignity of the unborn, elderly and poor from those who fail to recognize the human person as the pinnacle of the created world.


25 posted on 01/01/2010 2:00:45 PM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: TitansAFC
For example, I remember a conversation that I once had with a guy who worked in Ticonderoga, NY at a factory. The factory was on the the beautiful Niagara River. The guy actually said to me that "he just lets the chemical waste RIP into the Niagara River because it is cheaper to pay the fines than to dispose of the waste." This is a true story.
26 posted on 01/01/2010 2:01:19 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: EBH

Ooops! The next entry was Example 2.

The Pope is very clear, it is the media who distorts.


27 posted on 01/01/2010 2:02:16 PM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: steve86
An objective shared by all, an indispensable condition for peace, is that of overseeing the earth's natural resources with justice and wisdom.

I'm all for not grossly wasting the resources that we've identified and started exploiting, but when someone starts talking about justice in relation to someone else's resources, it typically means the next idea will be a calling to give said resources to others who had no part of discovering and exploiting said resources.

Perhaps I'm just being picky here.

28 posted on 01/01/2010 2:02:21 PM PST by kingu (Favorite Sticker: Lost hope, and Obama took my change.)
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To: TitansAFC
How about the world going Godly to save the planet--works for me.

vaudine

29 posted on 01/01/2010 2:03:59 PM PST by vaudine
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To: kingu
I'll be waiting for the PM from you when, in fact, the Pope tells us to "give said resources to others who had no part of discovering and exploiting said resources".

Not gonna hold my breath, though.

30 posted on 01/01/2010 2:05:12 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: mlizzy
Recycle

Some recycling is economical and some is not. To endorse "recycling" as a general concept is senseless.


compost heaps, dump the chemicals and bring on a more organic way of raising crops is good as well

Of course, chemicals must be used responsibly, but to disparage their use is to ignore economic reality. Periodic starvation has been the norm since the beginning of humanity, yet modern agricultural techniques have completely eliminated starvation for hundreds of millions of people worldwide. Feel-good wishful thinking has not.

31 posted on 01/01/2010 2:07:55 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: EBH
The only thing out of the Vatican web site today was this:
from the Vatican
Did a web translation... don't see anything.
32 posted on 01/01/2010 2:08:04 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: TitansAFC
Maybe the Pope does not want black soot on his beautiful white outfit. Viva il Papa!!!


33 posted on 01/01/2010 2:09:44 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: kingu
give said resources to others who had no part of discovering and exploiting said resources.

And once that happens, people stop discovering and exploiting resources, retarding human progress.

34 posted on 01/01/2010 2:11:39 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: TitansAFC; All

The Pope is distinguishing the differences between “polution” and “glpbal warming”...Lest everyone jump off to the wrong conclusion there is a link to his 07 new years message message printed in the same paper in this article dubunking CO2 causing global warming in http://www.theusmat.com/


35 posted on 01/01/2010 2:13:50 PM PST by mosesdapoet ( What did Obama's UK's first trip and his curious entourage of 500 cost US ?)
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To: TitansAFC

The Bible teachers that God has put humanity in charge of the earth with the role of stewards. That means that it is our job to look after the animals and other creatures that God made.

We have permission, since the Flood, to kill and eat animals. But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t treat them fairly and treat God’s whole creation as true stewards should.

In other words, I doubt very much whether the Pope gave some sort of politically correct Green speech. I imagine he simply repeated what Christianity—both Catholic and Protestant—has alwauys taught. That God has given us the responsibility of caring for the other creatures of this world.


36 posted on 01/01/2010 2:16:28 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: mlizzy
yeah but the news is reporting we need to change our lives for the environment.. bla bla The pope didn't say that.
I posted what he said... which is more in the line of what you said.
37 posted on 01/01/2010 2:19:30 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: TitansAFC

Being “good stewards” in the biblical sense does not mean embracing econut junk science fraud theories. I fear the pope has fallen for the latter while believing it is the former.


38 posted on 01/01/2010 2:20:03 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I absolutely think organic gardening and recycling are two great ways to help save the earth. The pope didn't really elaborate on his message, and I realize chemicals have produced more food, albeit lower quality in regard to nutritional positives, which in turn causes dis-ease, which in turn ... and so on, and so on ...

Christ didn't mean for us to dump a bunch of chemicals on His earth and expect wonderful pluses to come from it. If that's feel good wishful thinking, you'll have to bring it up with Our Creator. I've always felt a greener existence is a more Godly existence. Eaten both ways for numerous years, organic foodstuffs are tastier, more nutritious, and (if you're knowledgeable in organic gardening, which can easily be taught) easy to produce, even on a big scale.
39 posted on 01/01/2010 2:22:22 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: StandUpChuck

And what is your excuse? You are just accepting that a British tabloid is actually repeating what the pope said without researching his actual words and meaning.
Since when do the liberal media report fairly?


40 posted on 01/01/2010 2:24:57 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: TitansAFC

PapaBenXVI, I love you, but stick to your knitting, please.


41 posted on 01/01/2010 2:26:29 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: GinaLolaB

I do not understand how anyone who believes in God can believe that we, as a mere byproduct of our existence, possess enough power to destroy His carefully crafted handiwork.


42 posted on 01/01/2010 2:26:50 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (God bless us, everyone!)
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To: TitansAFC

“called for “ecological responsibility” to be taught in schools.....”

Marxist drivel if actually spoken by him.


43 posted on 01/01/2010 2:27:24 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: Telepathic Intruder; All

The Pope is a German, who’s lived in Italy (or really the Vatican) for many years. Virtually all Germans I’ve met are extremely pro-green....(cleanliness and a lack of waste, ie. efficiency are very Germanic traits) and environmentally concerned.

I think because Europe is so secular—enviromentalism is the new de-facto religion (it has comparatively little demands) for many, anyway. These attitudes rub off on even very devoutly Christian people who live there.

Notice the Roman Church today is very pacifistic (anti-death penalty and, usually anti-military) today...ALSO a very typical European attitude. No one is immune, to use a German word, from the “Zeitgeist” (spirit of the age) of his culture. On the environment, the pope on this is just typically European.


44 posted on 01/01/2010 2:35:14 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: Mad Dawg

Maybe it would help if we read what he actually said. It was in the context of a much broader talk.

He keeps calling for economic justice and not abusing the environment, particularly in terms of Africa...and guess what, it’s people like the various socialist thug dictators who are destroying both the economy and the environment of their countries, and the reason their people are starving is because of artificial dictator-provoked famines.

If you want to interpret this in a left wing way, go ahead. But if you simply want to get the message...well, I don’t think he’s talking about decent capitalist democracies. He’s talking about thug dictator cultures, Islamic cultures, and LatAm socialist cultures, all of which are famous for starving the people and destroying the economy and land.


45 posted on 01/01/2010 2:44:53 PM PST by livius
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To: mlizzy

A lot of people would starve if there was no chemical use and a lot more people would be getting food borne disease. Those were real concerns before the advent of commercial fertilizer and fungicides. Some of our most potent chemicals against disease are hydrogen peroxide and chlorine bleach.

The availability and safety of our food supply has helped to boost our life spans by many years.


46 posted on 01/01/2010 2:52:14 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: TitansAFC
This is an old story, since the text of this address was released on December 15th and there were reports that day on how the Pope had "gone green." There was at least one thread here on FR about it.

It is unfortunate that the Pope seems to accept man-made global warming, or climate change, as fact. He does clearly reject the Naturalist Church of Global Warming, however. I searched for the text of the speech so that I don't have to depend on the lamestream media to tell me what the Pope said. I found this passage:

On the other hand, a correct understanding of the relationship between man and the environment will not end by absolutising nature or by considering it more important than the human person. If the Church's Magisterium expresses grave misgivings about notions of the environment inspired by eco-centrism and bio-centrism, it is because such notions eliminate the difference of identity and worth between the human person and other living things. In the name of a supposedly egalitarian vision of the "dignity" of all living creatures, such notions end up abolishing the distinctiveness and superior role of human beings. They also open the way to a new pantheism tinged with neo-paganism, which would see the source of man's salvation in nature alone, understood in purely naturalistic terms.

That part is probably going to be left out of every MSM news report. It doesn't fit their narrow template, and they're simply not interested in reporting on what they see as differences between equally valid religions. Catholics, Protestants, neo-pagans, snake handlers, pantheists, whatever, it's all the same boring stuff as far as they're concerned.

The Pope is right that the environment is being abused in many parts of the world, although he doesn't identify the culprits by name (I would name China and India, for starters). He doesn't call for abandoning SUVs or coal-fired power plants, although his call for "more sober lifestyles" could be taken to mean just that. I don't believe the he is embracing the entire left-wing environmentalist kook agenda, but that's how it'll be played out in the media.

47 posted on 01/01/2010 2:53:36 PM PST by GenXFreedomFighter
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To: TitansAFC

UK source?

This isn’t exactly what Vatican sources said.


48 posted on 01/01/2010 2:55:26 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mygirlsmom
I do not understand how anyone who believes in God can believe that we, as a mere byproduct of our existence, possess enough power to destroy His carefully crafted handiwork.

As I said earlier, I remember a conversation that I once had with a guy who worked in Ticonderoga, NY at a factory. The factory was on the the beautiful Niagara River. The guy actually said to me that "he just lets the chemical waste RIP into the Niagara River because it is cheaper to pay the fines than to dispose of the waste." This is a true story.

Coincidentally, when I visited Niagara Falls awhile back, the Mist from the falls burned my eyes. They said it was polluted (at the time, maybe its better now.)

49 posted on 01/01/2010 3:03:33 PM PST by GinaLolaB
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To: AnalogReigns
I suppose there's nothing really un-biblical about being pro-environment. I'm anti-pollution myself as long as it's within reason. And therein lies the conundrum: liberals take it well beyond reason, inventing end-of-the world scenarios. So when I hear "save the planet", I think "save it from what"? This Pope is the Vatican's "conservative" choice, however, and I'm glad we didn't end up with the liberal version. You're right however about the Catholic church's pacifist leanings. Not only are they anti-death penalty and anti-military, but they also by and large seem to be pro-illegal immigration and in many cases pro-homosexuality, although not to the point yet of recognizing gay marriage or openly gay priests. They are still anti-abortion, however. That, hopefully, will never change.
50 posted on 01/01/2010 3:03:58 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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