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Pastor Rick Warren Asks Faithful For Nearly $1 Million -- And Gets it!!!
1-2-10 | troy McClure

Posted on 01/02/2010 10:42:48 AM PST by troy McClure

WELCOME TO 2010! Dear Saddleback Family,

You won't want to miss this weekend at Saddleback! It will be history-making and also the first service of our Decade of Destiny. I can't wait to share with you what happened this week.

It speaks volumes about YOU, the depth of commitment in this fellowship, and where God is taking us in 2010 - our 30th Anniversary year. I'm simply calling this week's message "The Miracle".

In spite of a media culture that thrives on bad news and is typically clueless about how churches actually work, and in spite of hatefulness and insults by some who immediately jumped to wrong conclusion - the church of God marches on, and once again God surprises all of us! I am humbled to have been your pastor for 30 years. See you this weekend.

Pastor Rick


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: charity; fraud; fundraising; megachurch; platepassin; platterivergospel; purposedriven; rickwarren; saddlebackchurch; sham
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As a member of Saddleback Church I knew that the members would all pull together and "Get-R-Done for God".

Troy McClure

View service online: http://www.saddleback.com/internetcampus/live/

1 posted on 01/02/2010 10:42:52 AM PST by troy McClure
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To: troy McClure

There is one born every minute


2 posted on 01/02/2010 10:45:44 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: troy McClure

I wouldn’t give an affiliation of pastor Rick’s 50 cents. Somthing about the guy and some of his positions strike me as off, but thats my opinion.


3 posted on 01/02/2010 10:47:27 AM PST by zek157
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To: troy McClure

Oral Roberts lives on!!


4 posted on 01/02/2010 10:50:30 AM PST by WKB (From "Handout" to "Bailout")
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To: RnMomof7

Yep. And as far as I’m concerned that’s “scripture” with these mega-church phonies.


5 posted on 01/02/2010 10:51:18 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: zek157
Rick Warren isn't good enough to get the sweat off my behind. He is a fraud and a disgrace. His “god” is NOT my God. Maybe, his abortion buddy, Obama, slipped him some stimulus money out of his slush fund. Or maybe Rick will go with him to Africa again and offer birth control and abortions to stem the tide of aids. Warrne put MONEY over principles.
6 posted on 01/02/2010 10:52:25 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: RnMomof7

Beat me to it.

Barnum was a real student of human nature — especially Americans.


7 posted on 01/02/2010 10:52:26 AM PST by Dick Bachert (THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES! BE THERE!!!)
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To: RnMomof7
I honestly hoped that people in his congregation had more sense than this.
8 posted on 01/02/2010 10:52:30 AM PST by proudofthesouth (We are being governed by a Muzzie illegal alien and a corrupt Congress who no longer work for us.)
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To: troy McClure

fool + money = soon parted


9 posted on 01/02/2010 10:53:53 AM PST by j.argese
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To: proudofthesouth
Liberal followers like Warren and his “church” aren't known to be too bright. This certainly gives credence to that idea. They're dumber than dumb.
10 posted on 01/02/2010 10:54:04 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: troy McClure

Troy our pastor went to one of those Saddleback “church growth/marketing” conferences and since we have adopted the Church of Laodicia’s church model or the “seeker” movement strategies that Rick teaches, our church’s attendance has gone from 3,000 to 1,500 and have a ton of debt. Thanks Rick for spreading your social gospel to the world!

We are in the political and spiritual mess we are in because the Church is not being the Church. We are trying to be like everyone else and doing a fine job accomplishing it.


11 posted on 01/02/2010 10:56:02 AM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Dick Bachert
Yeah, his PURPOSE was to have a works driven salvation. So you too can have a “purpose”. Be like the follower that made the news. Remember the woman who had a criminal turn himself in after he I think shot and killed someone? She got out Rick Warren's books and had a “heart to heart talk” with him as shared SHARED HER CRACK with him. High, he turned himself in. She credited Warren for her “change”. LOL!!! Sharing ILLEGAL drugs made her “feel good” and gave her a “purpose”. There was no change in the “heart” but the “APPEARANCE” of change is all he seeks as he solicits money and more fame from you. Warren and his books are a scam. Warren doesn't preach Christianity.
12 posted on 01/02/2010 10:57:43 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: proudofthesouth

The answer to that question was self-evident. They were members of that congregation.


13 posted on 01/02/2010 10:58:15 AM PST by Dick Bachert (THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES! BE THERE!!!)
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To: troy McClure
I’m STILL pissed that I bought one of this charlarans books years ago.
14 posted on 01/02/2010 10:59:47 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: nmh

That woman saved her own life and stopped a guy on a killing spree, you don’t need to denigrate that happening to make a point.


15 posted on 01/02/2010 11:01:50 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: troy McClure

A fool and his money are soon parted.


16 posted on 01/02/2010 11:02:39 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: bmwcyle

In this case, they were apparently united....


17 posted on 01/02/2010 11:03:29 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: ladyvet
"I’m STILL pissed that I bought one of this charlarans books years ago."

I got lucky when someone gave me one as a gift. I read enough to know the only "purpose" this book would serve was as a coaster for my coffee mug as I read my Bible.
18 posted on 01/02/2010 11:04:12 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: troy McClure

People doing what they want with their own money.

The horror.


19 posted on 01/02/2010 11:04:29 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Larry Lucido

They were united when so many voted for Obama.


20 posted on 01/02/2010 11:05:50 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: troy McClure

How much money did Rick get from Syria? LOL.

Hey, America is a great place, and God is a great God.

He (God) knows what he is doing...if the people freely gave, then let ‘em give.


21 posted on 01/02/2010 11:08:26 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: ansel12
“That woman saved her own life and stopped a guy on a killing spree, you don’t need to denigrate that happening to make a point.”

LOL!!!!

Oh how some people LOVE to rationalize a FRAUD, Rick Warren and one of Warren's “changed” converts.

LOL! It’s pathetic!!!!

No, she didn't have to worry about saving her life. When she whipped out the crack, she made a friend. There is kinship with people like that. Yes, she was so “changed” by Warren that she continued her CRACK HABIT!!! Yes, Warren is so “effective”. I suppose she was just SHARING the ILLEGAL drug because Warren suggested that otherwise would be SELFISH. Yes, having ILLEGAL DRUGS because you can't deal with reality, is a good sign that Rick Warren was effective in CHANGING her life. LOL!!!!

I can believe even YOU would try and twist this around when it's just a glowing example of Warren’s PHONY, TWISTED TEACHINGS. Change comes from the HEART. This woman's heart hadn't changed. She was still the same. Her “good deed” was giving CRACK to a FELLOW CRIMINAL. In case you didn't know CRACK is ILLEGAL. She still need a mind altering drug like CRACK, because Warren's rhetoric is EMPTY TALK. CRACK continued to get her through her miserable life - not Christ.

22 posted on 01/02/2010 11:08:30 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: troy McClure

I visit My Church in my heart. I go every Sunday (3,000 members) but my time is alone with G-D where I worship.


23 posted on 01/02/2010 11:14:59 AM PST by mmanager (It is time to prune the tree.)
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To: nmh
SHARED HER CRACK with him

I remember the story but I don't remember reading that. Wondering if that part was left out in some of the stories about the event?
24 posted on 01/02/2010 11:15:49 AM PST by presently no screen name ( Elected officials are WELFARE RECIPIENTS.)
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To: Dick Bachert
In that case his “church” is more like a cult because the members have lost the ability to think for themselves.
25 posted on 01/02/2010 11:20:10 AM PST by proudofthesouth (We are being governed by a Muzzie illegal alien and a corrupt Congress who no longer work for us.)
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To: nmh
No, she didn't have to worry about saving her life.

You are insane, she was kidnapped in the parking lot tied up and taped as a hostage, by a man that was all over TV for being on a killing spree.

If you have ever been in the hands of a killer, then you might not be so critical as a Monday morning quarterback, of how she managed to save her own life, and end the killing spree.

26 posted on 01/02/2010 11:23:06 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: troy McClure

I’m not sure this is good news.


27 posted on 01/02/2010 11:25:50 AM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: nmh

I don’t know enough about Rick Warren or this story about the lady and “crack” to have much input into the comments here. I would caution, however,to be very careful of the things you say regarding ministers. God and God alone judges the heart. He also says “touch NOT mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.” I can’t say one way or the other about Rick’s heart toward God, so I just caution everyone to walk very cautiously on this subject. King David was very blessed by the Lord, and called a man after God’s own heart,yet, he was responsible for the murder of Bethsheba’s husband, and committed adultery. Yet, God forgave him and never stopped loving him.


28 posted on 01/02/2010 11:27:04 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: troy McClure

I suspect that a $1 million shortfall is a small percentage of Saddleback’s annual budget.

This pastor was right to bring it to the attention to of the members.

I don’t even have any problem with the presidential debate he hosted. I think he did a fair job as moderator.

If he really supported Obama afterwards though, bad choice.


29 posted on 01/02/2010 11:33:25 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Catsrus

Do you have an explanation for the contradiction between the videos of him fully endorsing prop 8 and then the video of him saying that he never endorsed prop 8?


30 posted on 01/02/2010 11:46:10 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: proudofthesouth

Actually it wouldn’t take that much per member to raise the shortfall. Saddleback is huge.


31 posted on 01/02/2010 11:49:21 AM PST by CajunConservative (Obama, You Lie!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I am glad to see all you posters be live in the Biblical admonition” Judge not lest you be judged”. I don't know too much about Rick, but he sure has changed the thoughts lives, and out look for a lot of people. God Bless you Pastor Rick and your church.
32 posted on 01/02/2010 11:51:22 AM PST by BooBoo1000
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To: ansel12
she was kidnapped in the parking lot tied up and taped as a hostage, by a man that was all over TV for being on a killing spree.

Yes, the man killed a judge, a baliff, and one other (as I recall) escaping from jail. It happened in Atlanta three or four years ago.

The lady collected a reward for his capture.

33 posted on 01/02/2010 11:51:44 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: troy McClure

What did they need so much money for?


34 posted on 01/02/2010 11:52:01 AM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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To: troy McClure

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2418525/posts?page=3#3

bttt


35 posted on 01/02/2010 11:52:11 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("The Role of Government is to Secure Our Liberty, Not to Seize It" ~ Rush 6/26/09)
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To: troy McClure

I can’t figure out why God is always so short on cash.


36 posted on 01/02/2010 11:54:36 AM PST by stormer
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To: BooBoo1000; aMorePerfectUnion
I am glad to see all you posters be live in the Biblical admonition” Judge not lest you be judged”.

1 Corinthians 2:15
 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

37 posted on 01/02/2010 11:56:15 AM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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To: troy McClure; bperiwinkle7; madison10; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Lee N. Field; ears_to_hear; ...

Oh brother. Well another week/month of the dog and pony Saddleback show.

Anyone want to take bets how long till he has to do this again?


38 posted on 01/02/2010 12:00:25 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: troy McClure

Get R Done for Rick is more like it.

Saddleback does very little for God.


39 posted on 01/02/2010 12:01:28 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: troy McClure

psst... if you like Rick Warren and think he’s conservative, you might want to take a peek at this article:

“Bible Believing Liberals” by Todd Wilken
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1488307/posts


40 posted on 01/02/2010 12:03:39 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: troy McClure

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD AND ALL THOSE WHO TRULY LOVE HIM AND SEEK TO DO HIS WILL.

I don’t approve of all Rick does and says. I do believe he fits in the above category.

I assume you wore your hazmat suit in posting this thread.


41 posted on 01/02/2010 12:06:05 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: truthandlife

Oh but you have to take a survey to find out what people want to hear in your church, you must be doing something wrong! Just keep on despite the fact that mature solid Christians are leaving. Rick says that some people are going to have to die or leave. And Chuck Mcalister and Dan Southerland say those people are just leaders from hell anyway. You want the new immature and/or false converts to come in so you can shape them the way you want them, to be yes-men for the pastor and not preach a gospel that’s too offensive for the natural man to hear. After all if you don’t get them in the church they’ll never hear the gospel right? because we sure don’t want to teach our church members how to actually explain to the people they come in contact with in their lives DURING THE WEEK the wrath of God, sin, hell, the blood atonement, and the death to self that comes from surrendering one’s life to Christ’s Lordship.

/sarcasm


42 posted on 01/02/2010 12:08:23 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: DocRock
I got lucky when someone gave me one as a gift. I read enough to know the only "purpose" this book would serve was as a coaster for my coffee mug as I read my Bible.

Mine is in the apostasy section of my library, with many notes written in the margins. Purpose Driven Church is just as bad if not worse.

43 posted on 01/02/2010 12:10:49 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Define “freely” — Rick has already conditioned them to jump when he says jump, because you have to ‘do’ all these things he’s made up to really please God.


44 posted on 01/02/2010 12:12:12 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: ansel12

The woman offered the guy drugs! Sheesh.


45 posted on 01/02/2010 12:13:09 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Skooz

We never said they weren’t doing what they want. In fact when they listen to charlatans they are doing exactly what they want too. It’s still stupid.


46 posted on 01/02/2010 12:14:08 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: presently no screen name

As I recall I read many articles about the Purpose Driven hostage incident. And yes, in most of them the drugs were left out. The girl herself mentioned it in interviews I saw.


47 posted on 01/02/2010 12:15:23 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: ansel12

No one is criticizing Ashley Smith for what she did, we are criticizing the people who are giving credence to PDL for saving Ashley Smith’s life. Pay attention.


48 posted on 01/02/2010 12:16:33 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Terriergal

Get your head out of your rear and see the posts that I was replying to.


49 posted on 01/02/2010 12:19:02 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: Catsrus

Yeah, touch not mine anointed, that means the person has to actually BE the anointed, and the word for TOUCH in hebrew, in that context, means “lay hands on to do harm to” —

Everyone uses that verse out of context just like “judge not lest ye be judged” to avoid Biblical criticism. Paul rebuked Peter to his face, even though peter was ‘anointed’ with the Holy Spirit too. And Paul was RIGHT in correcting Peter, and peter accepted the correction even though it was done in front of everyone else (gasp! How mean spirited and humiliating!). Rick doesn’t accept doctrinal or behavioral correction in any form, public, private, written, or spoken.


50 posted on 01/02/2010 12:19:16 PM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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