Skip to comments.Harvard: Swine Flu Pandemic Oversold; Fear Mongering Government To Blame?
Posted on 01/02/2010 6:44:32 PM PST by delacoert
Some of you may find this to be a big surprise, but a Harvard study shows that the great swine flu pandemic was oversold. Shocking I know, as one doctor points out, The H1N1 pandemic was a pandemic that never materialized. Then I guess you could call the swine flu pandemic oversold, wouldnt you think?
The Harvard study uses the deaths from H1N1 back in the spring and projecting what they would have been in the fall suggests that the swine flu pandemic was indeed oversold by a government willing to allow its citizens to be in a constant state of fear. Some had suggested all along that the government was using the news of a possible swine flu pandemic as a means of fear mongering. Hard to believe, huh? A fear mongering government, who would have thought?
This is in no way intended to make light of those who did die from the disease, but lets think back to all of the reports telling us that small children, older people, and pregnant women were dying by the thousands and the pandemic had reached biblical proportions. Perhaps swine flu was oversold. But why?
The CDC had previously estimated that nearly 100,000 people would die from the swine flu. We havent yet reached 10,000 and most flu activity has leveled off. The CDC now reports that just 11 states have widespread flu activity. The government was at one time in full throated vaccination mode. Joe Biden himself said he wouldnt ride the subway. Once again, why?
At one time, it was feared the swine flu pandemic would cause there to be worldwide shortage of the much needed swine flu vaccine. Now, just a few months later, with swine flu oversold to the degree it has been, a surplus of vaccinations looks to be the order. Nice call governments of the world.
Is there likely to be more flu cases before springtime? Most definitely, but Im no doctor. The fact is the swine flu pandemic was oversold to a public that sometimes seems to feed on doom and gloom. A perfect situation for a fear mongering government. Is it possible the pandemic was touted to take the publics mind off of more serious subjects like the war, economy, terrorism, the government takeover of well, everything? Im not generally into conspiracy theories but the swine flu oversell makes you wonder.
“Harvard: Swine Flu Pandemic Oversold; Fear Mongering Government To Blame?”
Well, yes and, the state controlled media. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX and of course NPR. Each, more useless then the next.
Biggest farce since globull warming.
More wag the dog from the Soros clowns.
Joe Biden warned us that some nefarious thing would test Barry in his first year.
I, for one, am glad that my president told me to wash my hands to prevent spreading disease. I hope he will sprinkle more of his wisdom on us as his term progresses. /s
By the way, could the government have screwed up the H1N1 vaccine any more than they did? When the vaccine eventually, finally got somewhat available the so-called pandemic had already peaked and passed. Sheesh. Oh, yeah, and remember that bird flu thing that was supposed to be the third horseman of the apocalypse...?
Those of us born with the freedom gene are the greatest threat they face, we must be prepared for trouble!
BUAIDH NO BAS !
Only oversold if you haven’t contracted it. Hurts like living hell. Didn’t seek immunization & still would not have given it to do again, enlightened.
I said it was over blown at the time. As people ( even some here at FR) were runny around saying the sky was falling, I suggested that this would not turn out to be that big a deal. Do I have special powers? Only to the extent that I know Australia has its flu season about 6 months before ours hits ——IF it was a truly dangerous pandemic there would have been tens of thousands of deaths last spring
And I can’t count the number of times FReepers yelled at me when I said that exact thing.
Read this book to see what might happen in an influenza pandemic. I don't believe it is just scaremongering. There is not much that we can do besides vaccinations, which have a long lead time to produce. If we faced another influenza pandemic like the 1918 virus, which is entirely possible, tens of millions might die.
They’ll still take advantage of this news, and spin it to their favor. “See, we took great measures to inform the public how to prevent the spread of H1N1..and it worked! Good job everyone, but most of all, good job to us for telling you how to wash your hands!”
There is no particular reason Australia would get hit before us. The 1918 pandemic began in Kansas, and was limited by the speed of rail. A modern pandemic would travel far more quickly.
Yes, if we have another world war where young men are stuffed into ships and kept in tight quarters for months after sitting in wet trenches, we sure will have another “1918 Flu”
The fearmongering here on FR was amazing. People damn near wishing people would start dying to feed their “I told you so” attitude.
I’ve been here a while now, I’ve “prepared for the worst” a few times. I’m now trusting in The Lord and having a good time doing it.
Also, Please do some research on Aspirin/flu and Secondary infection/flu before you get panicked.
When the Democrats get their healthcare bill, every thing will become a pandemic.
IIRC she’s been in a panic since before spring.
Must be exhausting.
1918 was almost 100 years ago. Much has changed in sanitation, nutrition, and medicine in the time since that flue hit.
Honestly, this is the third time I’ve freaked out with them.
My New Year’s Resolution is to TRULY put my life in the Lord’s Hands.
I’m not panicked - now, or at the height of the Swine Flu Scare, but I am prepared. My point is that a pandemic is not unthinkable - so it is more than reasonable to take precautions.
Yes, we are better able to deal with secondary infections than we were in 1918. However, if the healthcare system is overwhelmed, which is a distinct possibility, you may be forced to deal with those infections yourself. Drugs like Tamiflu might help, but they might also lose their effectiveness as the virus mutates.
In 1918, there were three waves. They did not start with troops in the trenches in France. They started with troops in basic training cantonments in the U.S. - which are not all that different from other environments, like schools or the recirculating air of a passenger jet, from a transmission perspective. The first wave did little damage. The second wave was the killer. The third wave, which had it struck alone would still have ranked among the most deadly epidemics in history, paled in comparison to the second wave - which completely overwhelmed hospitals, and the numbers of doctors and nurses available.
Our sons had the opportunity to be vaccinated through the school district a few weeks ago. The lines were long, and by then most of the wave of fall flu cases seemed to have passed, and we skipped the vaccine. We assumed that vaccine supplies would start catching up now and that if the ugly bug got uglier there would probably be vaccine available. So far it seems like we've made the right call. Herd immunity should be on their side now too, since a large number of their schoolmates stood in those long lines or endured the flu already.
And the treatment was the brand new Miracle Drug, Aspirin.
Look up what that did.
Along with NO Antibiotics for secondary infection.
Stop the fearmongering. It’s a freakin’ 100 years later. Medicine has advanced, for heaven’s sake!
>>Only oversold if you havent contracted it<<
You must have a REALLY low tolerance for pain.
It wasn’t that bad. I know at least 20 people who had it. Tested positive. It made you really tired but anyone could function.
>>Yep. It doesn’t take Harvard to figure out that it was a hustle to keep the populace insecure and looking toward gubbermint to save them. <<
Of course, there was a shortage. Like most other shortages, it was caused by government-fueled hype.
There was a thread on FR awhile back which linked to some research that showed alot of the problem in 1918 was actually due to people overdosing on aspirin.
Aspirin was thought of as something of a miracle drug back then because it relieved flu symptoms. People took too much of it, hoping it would help them recover quickly. Instead it tended to produce inflammation of the lungs, which made them susceptible to pneumonia, which was the actual killer, not the flu itself.
LOL! We were warned of what the problem was, and how bad it might get.
We got advice on sanitation, hand sanitizers, vaccines, handwashing, handshaking, cleaning phone handpieces and other stuff that would mitigate a pandemic.
Then when the pandemic does not materialize, people assume that there was no threat, and much of it was a hoax.
What if the precautions worked?
Most of us have the good sense to understand that the government is wrong about nearly everything.
Their efforts to stampede us into
‘saving the financial system’,
‘saving the car companies’,
saving the world from global warming’,
‘saving the American people from the flu’
‘saving the American people from a broken health care system’
‘saving the American people from losing their homes’, and
‘saving the air traveler’
all stem from the very same root; an overwhelming and evil desire to control every aspect of our lives.
Fortunately they are no match for most Americans.
Don’t be such a fool.
I caught the swine flu back in November and was down for just about 10 days. It was worse than some flu and not as bad as others.
The differences with swine vs. seasonal:
1. It comes on fast. Healthy, feeling fine to on the couch under a blanket shivering in two hours.
2. Almost everyone at work in the same building caught it on the same day.
As far as I know of everyone I knew there were no hospitalizations.
Not a pandemic by any stretch of the imagination.
What if the precautions worked?
Do you suppose precautions followed in the USA spared those in mainland China from a pandemic? I don't think so, but that's just me.
Those who love freedom are going to have to volunteer like crazy, to make up for the imbalance. Obama is going to use the billions to make himself look good. He is a master liar, cheat and thief.
Harvard gets the ‘DUH’ award of 2009. What an embarrassment!
Well, I guess you told me! An ad hominem attack, spuriously citing a bunch of wholly unrelated issues, on which, BTW, we both agree. This clearly must be the same thing, huh? Why? What makes it the same?
Don't be so blinded by your own ideology that you ignore reality. Don't be so blinded by the other side's attempts to use this for political purposes that you ignore the element of truth behind this issue. Talk to epidemiologists and other doctors - many of whom are no friends of the Obama administration or the democrats. Do your research, before you jump down someone's throat - and by research, I mean real research, not just reading the uninformed opinions of others, here or elsewhere. I know doctors who take this seriously, and have advised me to do likewise. One of them is a survivalist who happens to be an expert in emergency medicine. Are they panicked over it? No, nor am I - but it is one contingency among many that it would be prudent to prepare for.
Ah but I was in mainland China, in summertime. Before we were allowed off the plane, “health officers” in plastic booties, gloves, masks and goggles used an IR thermometer on each of us, and there were at least six who did not pass the test. They stayed on the plane and we left.
When exiting the plane, there were two thermal cameras with calibration blackbodies, scanning us again. Another set at Customs, where there were other scanners, possibly face recognition scanners. The customs guy I was interviewed by was very interested in my health, how I felt, how I had felt last week, too, and watched my face the whole time.
There was an aerosol monitor of some sort running there too.
So they checked our body temp several times and possibly sniffed us for bugs with the air sampler, at the airport. When we got bussed to the hotel, we were warned about H1N1 and other airborne diseases and given a lecture on handwashing, and hand sanitizers, on the bus. We were given masks and urged to wear them, but this was not pushed hard.
At the hotel there was ANOTHER thermal camera at the front door, with a sign that said if the alarm went off, stand there and someone would come along to take us to the clinic “for help”, yeah right.
A simpler IR thermometer at checkin.
Every room had detailed descriptions of precautions. And, on TV one morning, a kids cartoon about, you guessed it, H1N1 and how to avoid it. There were signs in the street in English and Chinese about H1N1, and posters in every store I went in. It got boring then weird. All of the signage in my room and on the street had a phone number to call if I thought I might be coming down with something, along with the promise that I’d be taken to a clinic right away once I called.
It was very common to see Chinese with masks on, on the street and behind counters in stores. Anyone handling money wore plastic or rubber gloves (blue was a popular color).
So at least in Beijing, Souzhou, Xi’an and several smaller cities, the Chinese actually went way beyond what we did in the States. And yes, they were spared serious problems.
Coming into the USA, there was none of that nonsense, get off the plane, through customs, and out into the world. The talking heads on TV mention it lightly, and nobody seems to really take it seriously, compared to China.
Thanks - I missed that thread.
However - while that might explain the deaths through secondary infection, it ignores the extreme virulence of the virus itself. Many victims died within a few hours of seeing the first symptoms.
Got you two mixed up on post #40. Sorry.
Baxter and pals made a ton of money and so did the Marxist in chief and his thugs.
Face it, the flu was mild.
Well, the fortunes spent remediating computer systems and software apparently paid off for Y2K, as little went wrong. That did not mean that complacency and a complete lack of preparation would have had the same outcome.
I think heightened awareness of pathogen transfer in a culture where I have seen fast food workers absent-mindedly picking zits with those food-handling plastic gloves on (clueless!!) might be a good thing, anyway.
If you look at the river in late summer and decide not to build next to it bacause it might flood come spring, does that make you an alarmist? Nope.
As for preparation, having a full pantry and the means to survive come what may just might be prudent at any time.
I got laid off last June, and though money got tight, we were never without food.
I don’t have personal experience in those countries.
Do you know what precautions they took, can you provide a link?
Or a link stating that they took no precautions at all.
Amen, sister... er... mom.