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Mom of 9 cries foul (Claim: I was sterilized against my will)
The Boston Herald ^ | 01/03/2010 | By Jessica Fargen

Posted on 01/03/2010 6:23:12 AM PST by Bluestateredman

Mom of 9 cries foul Claim: I was sterilized against my will By Jessica Fargen Sunday, January 3, 2010 - Updated 37m ago + Recent Articles + Recent Blog Entries + Email + Bio General Assignment Reporter Check out Jessica Fargen's Reporter's Notebook blog. E-mail Print (83) Comments Text size Share Buzz up!Post-delivery notes indicate she received a tubal ligation, the complaint says. The surgical notes were reviewed by the Herald.

This is the second time Savicki has sued over reproductive issues. In 2001, she reached a settlement with CVS and a spermacide company after she became pregnant with her now 12-year-old daughter after claiming she bought and used an expired spermacide, according to federal court documents.

Savicki has nine children from several men, is unemployed and relies on public assistance for two of the four children who live with her. She receives supplemental security income, or SSI, for a disability, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, she said. Her mother has custody of three of her children. Two of her children are no longer minors.

‘It’s my choice’

Savicki acknowledged that some may feel little sympathy for her situation, but cautioned against public judgment because she is a poor, unmarried mother of 9.

“I would never have the right to tell anyone else ‘because you have this many kids that’s enough,’ ” she said. “That’s no one’s right to say that. It’s my choice. No one has the right to say you’ve had enough.

“I take care of my kids. I love my kids. I was not ready to make that kind of decision,” she said of the permanent sterilization.

Savicki said her life has stabilized in the last decade after a rocky start. She had her first child at 13 and dropped out of high school in the ninth grade.

Savicki said she’s been in a relationship with her fiance, Angel Flores Tirado, 36, since she was 25. She lives with him and the couple’s three children. Tirado helps support the family with his full-time job as a personal care assistant. Savicki said she’s had eight of her nine children while in committed relationships and hoped for one more child with Tirado.

“It’s not like I’m jumping from guy to guy to guy to get pregnant,” she said. “I’m trying to make a healthy home for my children.”


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KEYWORDS: babymomma; ssi; welfare
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I'm at a loss for words on this one.
1 posted on 01/03/2010 6:23:13 AM PST by Bluestateredman
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To: Bluestateredman

9 is too young to be a mother anyway.


2 posted on 01/03/2010 6:25:55 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Life is a tragedy for those who feel, but a comedy to those who think. - Horace Walpole)
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To: Bluestateredman

Why the Hell am I expected to help raise her kids?


3 posted on 01/03/2010 6:27:04 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Bluestateredman

It’s too bad her mother didnt have a tubal ligation.


4 posted on 01/03/2010 6:27:16 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Bluestateredman

There’s nothing wrong with having 9 kids in a healthy marriage! :)

But this woman obviously has mental problems. To top it all off she has a hereditary disease.


5 posted on 01/03/2010 6:27:56 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Bluestateredman

She’s an idiot, no doubt, but idiot or not, forcing sterilization on someone is evil....


6 posted on 01/03/2010 6:29:26 AM PST by freebilly (No wonder the left has a boner for Obama. There's CIALIS in soCIALISt....)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Obamacare has begun.


7 posted on 01/03/2010 6:30:01 AM PST by growingpains
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To: Bluestateredman

I like “God works in mysterious ways.”


8 posted on 01/03/2010 6:31:09 AM PST by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: Bluestateredman

This is troubling.

Yes, this woman is the extreme example and logically should have been dealt with...

but if the courts or social services or whoever can do this to loonies it can do it to ANYBODY.


9 posted on 01/03/2010 6:31:59 AM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: Bluestateredman
‘It’s my choice’

Not exactly, sister. If my taxes pay for your SSI and welfare, I think I should get a say in how you conduct yourself.

10 posted on 01/03/2010 6:32:25 AM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: freebilly

If she has a right to the product of my work then I have a right to her tubes.


11 posted on 01/03/2010 6:33:49 AM PST by omega4179 (Marco2010)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
To top it all off she has a hereditary disease.

What? Promiscuity? The hereditary pattern of Non-Hodgkin's Lymphoma has not been established.

12 posted on 01/03/2010 6:33:50 AM PST by CholeraJoe (My baloney has a first name, it's B-A-R-A-K. My baloney has a second name, it's O-B-A-M-A)
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To: Bluestateredman

This one want a lawsuit. I doubt if they did actually sterilize her “against her will”.


13 posted on 01/03/2010 6:33:54 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The government check of our money only enables her life.


14 posted on 01/03/2010 6:34:09 AM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: omega4179

Yeah, statist, have my tax money enforce tubal ligations....


15 posted on 01/03/2010 6:43:26 AM PST by freebilly (No wonder the left has a boner for Obama. There's CIALIS in soCIALISt....)
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To: freebilly

Three generations of imbelices is enough.

People like this can only breed in a social welfare state.

Furthermore, this is an ex parte representation. I strongly suspect that documents will show she consented to the ligation and now has buyer’s remorse. I also doubt she used the spermacide as directed in the previous case, besides failure of any method of contraception, it would seem to me, is “buyer’s risk”. She’s just hoping for another pay off from an insurance company not eager to face a jury of her peers in this benighted Commonwealth.


16 posted on 01/03/2010 6:46:14 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The CRU needs adult supervision.)
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To: Bluestateredman
Her fiance is a personal care assistant? At best he makes between $8 and $12 an hour. Course I guess with welfare of what, about $500 a month per child, food stamps, a Hud rental, and his "comfortable" income, they are living high on the hog. And is she getting child support from any of the other sperm donors?

They just need a teensy bit more for which a lawsuit settlement will help.

And these companies need to stop settling these frivolous lawsuits. Her first with CVS, she used (if, in fact, she really did use it) an expired spermicide. She's playin' the system like a fiddle.

17 posted on 01/03/2010 6:50:32 AM PST by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: Bluestateredman
I think it is great that she wants to take responsibility for her life, including her ability to reproduce.

Therefore she certainly realizes that taking responsibility also means no longer accepting govt payments.

18 posted on 01/03/2010 6:50:55 AM PST by ikka
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To: Bluestateredman

Reproductive rights have nothing to do with this.

This woman is mentally ill.


19 posted on 01/03/2010 6:52:18 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Thanks for your opinion. Since you live in Massachusetts and are used to living in an anti-freedom state I can forgive you.

Let me be clear, any government coercion of individuals regarding sterilization is evil.

Now, is there more to her story? Probably, but there's nothing in the story as written to indicate whether she's lying or not.

The greater evil is not the government giving this idiot money to take care of her children, the greater evil is the government using taxpayer money to enforce sterilization. If they can do that to her, they can do it to you....

20 posted on 01/03/2010 6:52:37 AM PST by freebilly (No wonder the left has a boner for Obama. There's CIALIS in soCIALISt....)
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To: All

This is telling:

‘THIS IS MY BODY’: Tessa SAVICKI, shown above in her Springfield home with children, from left, Destiny TIRADO, Jassalyn Tirado, Julian TORRES-LEBRON and Manuel FLORES is suing Baystate Medical Center

But she’s not jumping from guy to guy getting pregnant....


21 posted on 01/03/2010 6:54:07 AM PST by Molon Labbie
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To: Bluestateredman

>>Savicki has nine children from several men, is unemployed and relies on public assistance for two of the four children

>>‘It’s my choice’

...to live off other people’s money.

>>Savicki acknowledged that some may feel little sympathy for her situation, but cautioned against public judgment because she is a poor, unmarried mother of 9.

I am sick to death of these feral humans saying “don’t be judgin’ me” and then expecting people to pay for their lifestyle choices. She needed a .22 caliber sterilization years ago.

>>“I take care of my kids.

No. You. Don’t!


22 posted on 01/03/2010 6:54:56 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Imagine a day when the politicians have to hold a bake sale to pay for votes!)
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To: Bluestateredman

Idiocracy in real life. - A second dark ages is coming soon.


23 posted on 01/03/2010 6:55:02 AM PST by gore_sux (Al Franken - Preferred by Minnesota Educated Somali Pirates and Suicide Bombers Everywhere)
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To: Bluestateredman
  1. No doctor should be able to autonomously make a decision to sterilize someone without their consent, unless medically necessary. That should take legislation and oversight by a judge. The woman should win her lawsuit, if she did not ask for this.
  2. Only 2 of her kids are on public assistance. Why only two? Is it something like Social Security Survivor Benefits, payable in the event of the death of a parent, regardless of income? If so, that's an entitlement, that I wouldn't call public assistance. That's a right, an insurance company payout, even if the government is the insurance company. How are the other kids fed? The woman claims to be taking care of them, maybe she is?
  3. If the woman has lymphoma, having more children is irresponsible.
  4. However, the Muslims would pop out little terrorists regardless of how poor and sad their sand flee bitten lives would be. And as long as the west has open borders to them, they'll never have an incentive to stop.
  5. Shades of "Idiocracy". The dumb multiply like rabbits, while the intelligent limit their reproduction, resulting in the degradation of the general human intelligence.

24 posted on 01/03/2010 6:58:01 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: freebilly
“Three generations of imbeciles is enough” is a quote from supreme court justice Oliver Wendel Holmes Jr., upholding a Maryland statute allowing involuntary sterilization. Used by me in this instance ironically.

I agree, if the doctors arbitrarily decided to sterilize her, she has a case. I'd still like to see the facts. She may well have consented.

25 posted on 01/03/2010 7:01:55 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The CRU needs adult supervision.)
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To: MAexile

Which is exactly how government health care will work.


26 posted on 01/03/2010 7:01:55 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

35 with a 21 year old child? So she was 13 when she started breeding?


27 posted on 01/03/2010 7:05:00 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Bluestateredman

This woman is going from tubal ligation to terrible litigation...


28 posted on 01/03/2010 7:15:44 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all FReepers)
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To: Bluestateredman

If a woman continues to have child after chld on welfare, there should be a law requiring her to be sterilized.


29 posted on 01/03/2010 7:19:39 AM PST by Thane_Banquo (The GOP: The Big Tent with a Fifth Column.)
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To: Bluestateredman

Let me help: white trash loser.


30 posted on 01/03/2010 7:21:31 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% white, 50% black, 100% red)
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To: Bluestateredman
I agree with her that it is her "choice" to have as many babies as she wants. What I do not agree with is being made, via the cash stolen from me in the form of taxes, to be used to care for her or her children.
Scripture teaches us that if a man (or woman for that matter) doesn't work they do NOT eat. Simple. Her children are her responsibility. She should be made to take care of them. Should a child die due to her neglect she goes to jail and walla, no more bastard children being produced by her.

I'm sick of all this government involvement in family affairs. I love children with all my heart, I have four of my own, but I do not believe anyone has any business telling a parent how to care for and raise their children and I don't believe the general public should be forced to do so. Child protection services need to go the way of the dinosaur and leave the raising of children to those whom God has entrusted with their upbringing... THEIR PARENTS.

I know... Too simple and oh.... How cold eh?

31 posted on 01/03/2010 7:22:21 AM PST by The Anti-One (So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.)
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To: Bluestateredman
Unfortunately, just another drain on the system.
32 posted on 01/03/2010 7:25:12 AM PST by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Bluestateredman
The damnedest thing is after she wins a multi million dollar law suit, she will still receive welfare.
33 posted on 01/03/2010 7:29:27 AM PST by carolinacrazy (Bow to your sensei.... BOW TO YOUR SENSEI...... www.jackassdemocrats.com)
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To: Bluestateredman
The comments section of that article are less than sympathetic. The classic, though, was:

"Can't Feed Em -- Don't Breed Em,

If the Boston Herald liberals were trying to get support, they didn't get it from this article.

- Traveler

34 posted on 01/03/2010 7:34:32 AM PST by Traveler59 (Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Bluestateredman

Which is exactly how government health care will work.

#############

If this is the case, I say that We The People have the right to ask our doctors, no, demand our doctors to tell us what provisions we are no longer allowed to have, & if the doctors have been put under government orders to sterilize, we sure as hell have a right to no about it.

....is Holdren lurking around the corner...


35 posted on 01/03/2010 7:34:52 AM PST by Atom Smasher
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To: wolfcreek

Eh? The “system” shouldnt say whether she should be sterilized or not. She should. Im amazed at the attitudes shown here. The same people who say that death panels should not be allowed, are now saying, “Woo hoo, yeah! Shes an idiot. Sterilize her!”.

Anyway, if any of her kids grow up to be productive, good members of society, maybe a doctor, a soldier, a sailor, a teacher, whats wrong with it?


36 posted on 01/03/2010 7:36:14 AM PST by ketelone
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To: Atom Smasher

no about it = know about it

Sorry!


37 posted on 01/03/2010 7:37:35 AM PST by Atom Smasher
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To: Bluestateredman

I’m with you. There is so much wrong in this story it makes my head hurt.


38 posted on 01/03/2010 7:44:13 AM PST by CastleMan95
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To: Bluestateredman
No one has the right to say you’ve had enough.

Yes we do if she is breeding children that everybody else has to pay for until they are adults. Some people will just not act responsibly, so society has the right to help them be responsible and not breed more welfare dependents.

39 posted on 01/03/2010 7:54:43 AM PST by Rapscallion (They really did pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. How now?)
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To: Bluestateredman

I would be in favor of sterilization as a condition for receiving welfare.


40 posted on 01/03/2010 8:01:16 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: MAexile

It is her choice, yet unfortunately welfare entitlement has made her choice easy by letting her decide to steal from Peter rather than she shouldn’t bring children into the world when she can’t afford to feed or supply for them. Most people would have fewer children or no children if they and their children had to live within their means or lack of means, rather then stealing from their neighbor to get by. A friend of mine calls them Pauls, as in steal from Peter to pay Paul. The most frightening of times will be when the world is full of only Pauls and there are Peters left to rob.


41 posted on 01/03/2010 8:08:38 AM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: ketelone
Anyway, if any of her kids grow up to be productive, good members of society, maybe a doctor, a soldier, a sailor, a teacher, whats wrong with it?

I've heard this argument often enough that I'm sick of it.

It's more likely the kids will grow up to be as dysfunctional as their mom. Meanwhile, the taxes imposed to support people like her make it less likely that middle-class couples will find themselves able to afford having another child, who WOULD be likely to be a productive member of society.

42 posted on 01/03/2010 8:08:50 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Bluestateredman

Make that “temporarily committed relationships”

This woman NEEDS to be committed though. To an instution. What a whack job.


43 posted on 01/03/2010 8:14:22 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia. CharlesSchulz)
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To: freebilly

I can’t help it. I don’t think it’s evil. I think it’s stopping evil. Stopping thievery and a few other bad things.


44 posted on 01/03/2010 8:15:43 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia. CharlesSchulz)
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To: Bluestateredman

“I would never have the right to tell anyone else ‘because you have this many kids that’s enough,’ ” she said. “That’s no one’s right to say that. It’s my choice. No one has the right to say you’ve had enough.”

when she knows she will have to depend on public aid to support her children and she continues to have more, then it does become more than her concern.


45 posted on 01/03/2010 8:16:33 AM PST by HollyB
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of course, I do not agree with sterilization, but I have a problem with her depending on support and then she continues to have more children.


46 posted on 01/03/2010 8:17:55 AM PST by HollyB
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To: Bluestateredman

Mmmm, I’m kind of having a hard time with this story. Hospitals make you sign a consent form before any surgery. You are brought in for pre-op labwork, EKG, and chest xray. Your rights are explained to you, and a witness signs the consent along with you. You have a consult with the anesthesiologist. Your options are reviewed again before the anesthesia. It’s such an involved process that it cannot be done on a spur-of-the-moment basis. They don’t jump on you in the darkness, tie you up, and commit laparoscopy on you.

If she’s so wild about having more kids, why did she sue CVS over her 2001 pregnancy, when she bought spermicide (which has a 20% failure rate under the best of circumstances, BTW) and got pregnant anyway? I think she’s just figured out that she can make money suing whoever has deep pockets.


47 posted on 01/03/2010 8:22:25 AM PST by ottbmare (I could agree wth you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Good quote.
the actual case was Buck v. Bell (1927)

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=274&invol=200


48 posted on 01/03/2010 8:22:41 AM PST by hockea
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What kind of work ethic can a professional (rhymes with dastard) maker instill in her kids? How about the multiple fiance’s?

Fiance’ is code word for baby’s daddy, which is not PC for the press.

What you are going to have is 9 kids with a “baby, you got to get yours” outlook on life. The chances that those kids grow up to be productive and have productive are hovering about zero.


49 posted on 01/03/2010 8:24:24 AM PST by Molon Labbie
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To: Bluestateredman

She’s pissed and suing because each new child means mo money and food stamps rolling in. At least she likes motherhood and pregnancy unlike many “modern” women... I just don’t like paying for it


50 posted on 01/03/2010 8:35:38 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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