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Controlling When You Relieve Your Yourself, Not Body Scan, Invades Privacy (Idiots Alert)
Townhall ^ | 1/05/2010 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 01/04/2010 11:55:52 PM PST by goldstategop

If the government prohibits airline passengers from getting out of their seats during the last hour of a flight, I hereby announce that I will get out of my seat either to escort someone who needs to use the lavatory or because I do. I understand that I may be arrested, but I am willing to make this a cause celebre.

Aside from a genetic incapacity to be directed by irrationality, I will make this protest on behalf of fellow passengers who are in pain because of this idiotic rule. What are diabetics, for example, supposed to do? And considering the fact that "the last hour of a flight" is always more than an hour, often considerably more -- given the frequent delays in approaching airports and given the approximately 15-20 minutes between landing and passengers actually disembarking.

I am not prepared to obey rules that hurt the innocent while doing nothing to prevent terrorism.

When exactly will airline passengers be permitted to relieve themselves? Seatbelt signs are now illuminated meaning passengers are not allowed out of their seats -- for at least the half hour it takes to leave the gate and achieve optimum altitude. And on many planes, those signs are (often pointlessly) illuminated for much of the flight after that as well.

Therefore, if passengers are not allowed to get up during the last hour, that would mean that on a two-hour flight, passengers would be fortunate to have a total of 20 minutes when they could stand to stretch, get a book or go to the lavatory.

Furthermore, since passengers are also not allowed to "congregate" outside the lavatories, passengers will actually have to compete with one another in order to get to the bathroom. The slower ones, or the ones seated furthest from the lavatories, may not have any chance to go to the bathroom in a two-hour or longer flight.

These useless, dignity-robbing, rules could have been averted if available technologies and a more intelligent approach to catching terrorists had been adopted.

One such technology is full-body scanning.

According to Robert Poole, adviser to the White House and Congress on airport security following 9-11, the explosives "which the terrorist concealed in his underwear would have been detected had he been required to pass through one of the 15 millimeter-wave body-scanners now in use at Schiphol (Amsterdam Airport)."

And Charlotte Bryan, a former top TSA and FAA official, told CNN that a body scanner could have stopped Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, terror suspect on Northwest 253.

The major objection to the scanner comes from the ACLU and from libertarians on "privacy" grounds. This objection led the House of Representatives to ban full body scans. That the ban was led by a Republican, Utah Congressman Jason Chaffetz, who continues to defend his opposition to body scanning, only shows that the left has no monopoly on foolishness.

But it was House Democrats who overwhelmingly voted to ban body scans. Only a fifth of the Democrats in the House voted against the ban while two-thirds of the Republicans voted against it.

The ACLU, which can almost always be depended on to say something foolish and advocate a position that harms society, calls the process "virtual strip search." And Chaffetz declared, "I just think it's too invasive. Nobody needs to see my kids -- I have a son and two daughters -- and see my wife naked in order to secure an airplane!"

So, the leftist and libertarian opposition centered on the issue of privacy. And the conservative opposition -- to conservatives' credit, the smallest of the opposing groups -- centered on "nudity."

It is difficult to say which one is more idiotic. Both illustrate what happens when dogma supersedes common sense.

What privacy are we even talking about? I cherish my privacy, but anyone who actually looks at the scans made by the whole body scanner cannot seriously talk of either privacy or nudity. They are indeed "virtual" images, meaning no skin is shown and the human figure looks metallic.

The ACLU and Rep. Chaffetz have read too many Superman comics -- they imagine the superhero's "X-ray vision." But that is not possible. There is no skin shown. So how can there be "nudity"?

I willingly relinquish whatever "privacy" I lose by being scanned for the even more precious value of staying alive.

Those who think that TSA employees will be leering at naked bodies have a little too much sex on their minds. Same-sex TSA employees will be looking at metallic-like images of thousands of bodies that pass through airport security. Look on the Internet at those images and then tell me that they are "nude." A necrophiliac would be bored.

As a conservative, I am embarrassed by people who put thousands of lives in danger under the guise of protecting their wives and daughters from appearing "naked."

So until my government does something intelligent -- like screening for dangerous people, not dangerous weapons (as Israel so successfully does) -- to protect this frequent flyer, I will not play the pretend game of "do something" that prohibits me from relieving myself on the grounds that terrorists only blow up planes after going to the bathroom during the last hour of a flight.

I will surrender a lot of things to stay alive. But I will not surrender my intelligence. That and being told when to urinate are the real losses of dignity, not a full body scan.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; aviationsecurity; dennisprager; dignity; idiots; intelligence; libertarianism; nudiecam; privacy; terrorism; townhall; tsa; waronterror; wot
There are idiots on both the Left and the Right who oppose a life-saving body scan because it violates people's privacy. Of course if you are dead, no one is going to be embarrassed by what's left of you. And I don't intend for moment, any more than Dennis Prager would, to obey moronic TSA rules meant rob me of my good judgment and my dignity in taking care of the call of nature. The government is not the master of me - especially in a life and death situation and at times when I might have to go to the bathroom, that's none of its business. I just hate insufferable fools - especially in Washington.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

1 posted on 01/04/2010 11:55:54 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

I don’t care one way of the other, but I remember traveling with my oldest daughter solo on a small plane. She was 1 at the time, and in the 20 minute descent, where we couldn’t leave our seats, she decided to unload a beast into her diaper. People were literally gagging around us, but we couldn’t leave our seat. I hope they all enjoy another 40 minutes of that courtesy of some other guy’s kid.


2 posted on 01/05/2010 12:01:49 AM PST by Carling (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: goldstategop

3 posted on 01/05/2010 12:13:24 AM PST by Bobalu (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: goldstategop
There are idiots on both the Left and the Right who oppose a life-saving body scan because it violates people's privacy.

And then there are idiots who believe these body scanners will actually detect these chemicals.

You are just swapping one indignity for another.
4 posted on 01/05/2010 12:24:25 AM PST by microgood
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To: microgood

The body scan looks not for chemicals but for objects.


5 posted on 01/05/2010 12:35:47 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Bobalu

Anything but profile the muslim males who have perpetrated all the airliner attacks here in the USA.


6 posted on 01/05/2010 12:41:04 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The body scan looks not for chemicals but for objects.

Although I do not know the actual technology except I guess it involves XRays, I have seen two reports this week that say the current scan technology (or at least what they are planning on using) cannot reliably detect what the crotch bomber was using.
7 posted on 01/05/2010 12:49:04 AM PST by microgood
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To: Bobalu

That cartoon says it all for me.


8 posted on 01/05/2010 12:55:19 AM PST by valkyry1
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To: HiTech RedNeck; microgood

Pretty soon it wont take to long before a person could reach their lifetime body dosage from penetrating radiation just from all the sorts of airport body scans.


9 posted on 01/05/2010 12:58:18 AM PST by valkyry1
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To: goldstategop

Would it be easier, less inconvenient, to just bow to is-SLIME, and they will do away with all the screening.


10 posted on 01/05/2010 1:05:58 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: goldstategop

it is my understanding that the body scanners are tuned to higher density objects, which is why they can ‘see’ thru lower- density clothing. I doubt they would detect powdered underwear.


11 posted on 01/05/2010 1:37:44 AM PST by blueplum
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To: goldstategop
Instead of (or in addition to) scanners, they should use this
12 posted on 01/05/2010 2:58:54 AM PST by SC DOC
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To: goldstategop
The problem with submitting to the “body scan” having us to take off our shoes.. or not allowing passengers go to the bathroom the last hour of a flight? These things do nothing to keep Americans safe, and are a blatant infringement on Constitutional liberties. They are part of a politically correct ideology that demands we treat everyone the same instead of acknowledging that there are actual terrorists in the world who need special attention. Profiling is what is needed. Identifying the risks and making them submit to a body scan. Or better yet, not letting them into our country...
13 posted on 01/05/2010 3:08:51 AM PST by dixiedarlindownsouth (Coming soon to a bookstore near you, Barack Obama's "How to win friends as you screw your country")
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To: goldstategop

Do people ever complain to their doctors about the invasion of privacy when they examine various parts of their body usually covered by clothing and underwear? No? Why not? Because they are choosing to allow this indignity for the safety of their health.

So why wouldn’t people flying not want to do the same to protect their lives?

Maybe TSA should hire doctors to look at the screening images.


14 posted on 01/05/2010 3:09:26 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: Bobalu

LOVE it!


15 posted on 01/05/2010 3:09:51 AM PST by dixiedarlindownsouth (Coming soon to a bookstore near you, Barack Obama's "How to win friends as you screw your country")
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To: microgood
"Although I do not know the actual technology except I guess it involves XRays, I have seen two reports this week that say the current scan technology (or at least what they are planning on using) cannot reliably detect what the crotch bomber was using."

It uses long-wavelength radio waves, so it's more analogous to ultrasound, so yes it is "like" X-rays in that it penetrates clothing, but uses much safer radiation to do so. and the way it "detects" the explosive is to allow you to "see" in the computer generated image that the passenger has a strange item taped to his groin.

Actual detection of the explosive itself is done by chemical instruments that can identify very tiny amounts of specific chemicals. You step into a booth that pulls a volume of air around you, and said air is fed to the instrument. If the person has on their body (or has handled) an explosive compound, at least a few molecules WILL be in that air, and will be detected.

Both technologies should be used, but they ain't cheap.

16 posted on 01/05/2010 3:57:08 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Right Wing Assault

the comparison of a doctor to the TSA isn’t working for me.

If I am sick and go to a doctor, it is obvious to me anyway, that the doctor will need to examine me and I do not consider it an indignity.

I go to the airport and someone rent a cop with an IQ of 50 does not have a need to strip search me for no reason. Same as the cop on the street. We can be safe without being strip searched on planes.

1. Stop all people from muslim countries from flying to the US

2. Kick out all non-citizens, especially muslims from the US

3. screen all foreign travelers and we think they are muslim, deny entry

4. profile remaining travelers to see if any muslims slipped through

That should be a good starting list for being safe - no need to take off my shoes, get strip searched, not go to the bathroom, etc.


17 posted on 01/05/2010 4:18:06 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: goldstategop

As Mark Steyn pointed out, when we do things like this we hand victory to the terrorists. They are controlling our lives.


18 posted on 01/05/2010 4:30:38 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: valkyry1

I’ve wondered about that. Is there any possibility that full-body scans by X-ray might be a cause of sterility or birth defects among frequent-flyer men or women? How long before there are law suits charging such?


19 posted on 01/05/2010 4:49:37 AM PST by TIElniff (Autonomy is the guise of every graceless heart.)
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To: TIElniff

I’m more worried about female agents fainting when I go through.


20 posted on 01/05/2010 4:57:42 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Carling
I hate to say it, but I may wind up being arrested if I fly because of this ruling. I have Crohns disease, and if I have to fly, I'm careful NOT to eat or drink anything at least 12 hours before I fly (except for my medications). Still, there are times when even that's not enough. As with any sort of inflammatory bowel disease, if you have to go, you have to go NOW! And sometimes it just sneaks up on you, with no advance knowledge. I once had to get up and walk out on Keith Code at the California Superbike School as he was giving final track guidelines, which was quite embarrassing. But the worst was being in the lavatory on a Southwest Airlines flight DURING the final approach and landing. Not a comfortable situation, and I got quite a tongue lashing from the flight attendant.

Mark

21 posted on 01/05/2010 5:27:04 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: rawcatslyentist
Would it be easier, less inconvenient, to just bow to is-SLIME, and they will do away with all the screening.

No, when they're not slaughtering infidels, they're perfectly happy slaughtering each other. The lie the Ft Hood murderer told about how he couldn't kill muslims was a lie. Muslims kill each other all the time.

Mark

22 posted on 01/05/2010 5:29:39 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Do people ever complain to their doctors about the invasion of privacy when they examine various parts of their body usually covered by clothing and underwear? No?

YES, I complain, at least about the most invasive parts of it! A rigid sigmoidoscopy or prostate exam! You bet I complain about it! But I do it. But I'm pretty grumpy the rest of the day.

Mark

23 posted on 01/05/2010 5:32:16 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: AppyPappy
I’m more worried about female agents fainting when I go through.

I'm more afraid of them hurting themselves, from falling over from laughing so hard when I go through.

Mark

24 posted on 01/05/2010 5:36:21 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL
Why do Muslims have to fly to infidel lands?

Q'uran tells us that it is to convert, or subdue the infidel, to establish Sharia, to collect dhimmi, and to kill those infidels who fail to convert or cooperate. There is no geographic limit on jihad.

25 posted on 01/05/2010 7:33:34 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Jimmy Carter! Now, available in color!)
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To: AppyPappy

Hear you brother. I HAVE BEEN through ariports with these devices and always feel sorry for causing so many head injuries.

And the comments; “You;ll have to check that”, “only one carryon”, and “will that fit in an overhead”; it is embarrassing.

The Muslims are controlling our society and treasury with little effort all whilst the US has thousands of miles of open border to anyone willing to walking over it.


26 posted on 01/05/2010 8:10:02 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Most interesting man in the world.)
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To: goldstategop
I guess we all owe it to ourselves and our fellow Americans to wear diapers when flying.

That way there will be no need to get up at any time during the flight.

Maybe we should all fly naked ... except for the diaper ... and be handcuffed to our seats.

27 posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:15 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

RE: “I guess we all owe it to ourselves and our fellow Americans to wear diapers when flying.
That way there will be no need to get up at any time during the flight.

Maybe we should all fly naked ... except for the diaper ... and be handcuffed to our seats”

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Happily, I have no need to fly anymore. Vacations will be restricted to those places to which I can drive, take a train or sail — for those who claim business reasons, teleconferencing should take care of a lot of it. Skip the conventions.

Unfortunately people quitting flying will cost airlines, hotels, restaurants, et al, dearly. But it may take this to drive home the need to do what works best — PROFILE.


28 posted on 01/05/2010 9:58:04 AM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: MarkL
You bet I complain about it!

Oh yeah.. how could I forget those?

29 posted on 01/05/2010 10:00:45 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: goldstategop

All it’s going to take to revise the no bathroom rule is for a couple of passengers to crap in their pants.


30 posted on 01/05/2010 10:01:43 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Kenny Bunk

I’m not sure what this has do with my post (24)

Mark


31 posted on 01/05/2010 11:10:11 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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