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An Introspective Look at the Future of America
321 Gold ^ | 12/27/09 | Craig Harris

Posted on 01/05/2010 8:17:42 AM PST by FromLori

As we close out 2009 and look forward into 2010 and beyond, this has been a year of near financial catastrophe and monumental change, none of which benefited America or ordinary Americans. Late in 2008 and throughout 2009, events have happened in the US which would have been labeled unfathomable just a few short years ago, and yet already these monumental changes are expected to be filed into the memory hole and Americans are expected to believe nothing has changed.

As we exit the year, we are told the US is a laissez-faire free market economy and yet the US government is now the largest owner of housing in the US as well as the owner of last resort for some of the largest and completely insolvent US corporations. The Federal Reserve, a privately and anonymously owned and controlled corporation chartered with issuing the nations currency, were given the green light by themselves to transfer to themselves and their shareholders the people's wealth in the form of their future labor. The FED balance sheet has ballooned to become a junk bond warehouse as they overtly and covertly buy their own debt, immune from any sort of oversight, regulation or auditing and operating above the law. Along with that, increasingly coercive brute force measures are now routinely necessary to manage and manipulate so called "free market" asset prices which are cheerled by so called "financial news media" whose board members and management are all the same people who transferred the people's wealth to themselves. The corporate media party line idea of a "free market US economy" now seems like a distant memory and it all feels like systemic fraud, corruption, malfeasance and organized crime at the very highest levels.

During 2009 we have seen the continued collapse of American industry amid wave after wave of layoffs. The corrupt corporate media cartel likes to trot out a group of FED sponsored shills who call themselves "professors" to call this a "jobless recovery" although it's difficult to imagine a recovery where American industry has collapsed and is now owned by the government. US cities both large and small have been decimated by the loss of the US manufacturing base. Detroit now resembles a third world country with a 50% unemployment rate. Ransacked, foreclosed houses go for a dollar apparently because no one who has a choice is willing to own property or live there. The US has an officially stated unemployment rate of ten percent and a real unemployment rate of over 20 percent. Wall Street may have recovered due to a direct injection of capital from the future labor of the people, but there has been no action taken whatsoever to improve the situation of the average citizen as the disconnect between the ruling Oligarchs and Wall Street, the real economy and the lives of ordinary Americans continues to widen. The people's bailout money, which represents the future labor of Americans, went directly into the pockets of the people who created the crisis in the first place because they are in the enviable position of being "too big to fail". Interestingly, or sadly, the same people and institutions responsible for and who profited from the catastrophe are still in charge and have handed even more power and control to themselves. Although there has been talk in Washington of "too big to fail" being undesirable, the result of the post collapse policies have resulted in ever fewer, ever larger players with more power and control and instead of being "too big to fail" now wield so much money and power that they demonstrate wholesale ownership of the entire US political body.

Due to the post collapse monetary and fiscal policies, the people have now been saddled up with an unpayable level of debt. The cause of the near total collapse of the financial system was too much debt and the "solution" has been even more debt piled on to the original debt. During the year, the Dallas FED estimated the financial obligations of the US government at 99 trillion dollars. The head of the TARP program estimated the bailout cost at 24 trillion dollars. Totaled together the US has in the neighborhood of 120 trillion dollars of current and future obligations on an annual revenue of around 2 trillion dollars which is falling due to high unemployment, higher state and local taxes and fees and lower wages. Cutting that down to size, imagine earning 200,000 a year and having a debt of 12 million dollars. In short, the US dollar has become a token of an unpayable debt and thus the anchor of the entire global financial system is a ponzi fraud. It becomes impossible to compute the value of anything as measured in a fraudulent currency that represents an unpayable debt.

The banking system is not lending money because it's still insolvent. The people, having lost over 5 trillion dollars in the real estate bust are also collectively insolvent. Many US states and cities are bankrupt or near bankrupt. One in nine Americans subsist on food stamps. Even as a college education has become unaffordable to most Americans, college graduates now find themselves jobless. One in seven households now have their adult children living back at home due to the inability to find a job. The homeless population is growing and tent cities sprouted up across America during 2009. The estimated homeless population in LA alone is 40,000 people a night. People in the US if they have a job are working longer and harder to make the same income. Wages have remained stagnant and the real cost of living continues to spiral ever higher for ordinary Americans. The new man in charge, elected on a platform of "change", has delivered his change in the form of change=no change, or how do you like your change now?

By any metric you choose, whether it's the median home costing half the median income even at artificially low interest rates, to the ballooning cost of insurance, healthcare, education or anything else people spend their money on, the US is experiencing a rapid decline in the standard of living for ordinary Americans and an emerging ultra rich ultra powerful shadow oligarch rule amid a generalized and widespread financial and social decay. The US population is becoming a nation of voiceless serfs with fewer and fewer remaining civil and property rights and a rapidly decaying standard of living, the antitheses of everything America is said to represent and strive for.

The hypocrisy and fraud of the oligarch rule corporate media story line is now nearly impossible for an educated, informed adult to digest. As Jim Grant pointed out recently, according to Section 19 of the Coinage Act of 1792, the penalty prescribed for any official who fraudulently debased the people's money is death, yet in 2009 debasing the people's money resulted in a "man of the year" award from the self serving corporate media who will be next in line for a bailout from the people for their good service to the new oligarch rule. This organized crime, this theft, occurring right out in the open, may explain why employees of the largest US financial institution are now not allowed to gather in groups larger than 12 outside and their executives are carrying firearms. In an affront to the intelligence and sensibility of any citizen of this planet, the new US president expanded a war he was elected to end and started a new frontier in Pakistan, for that he was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. The people who were awarded hundreds of billions of dollars of the people's money because they lost all their money are skimming millions and billions off the top for themselves and their associates in what they call "bonuses". 2009 has been a year of egregious assault on the American public by the people in charge.

The "people's representatives" as they like to be called, no longer represent the people at all but instead solely represent and pledge allegiance to the special interests and corporate lobbyists who have bought and paid for their votes, along with the media oligarchs who control who sits in the seats. Regardless of whether they call themselves Democrats or Republicans, they are a group of self important, self serving, morally bankrupt, corrupt, clueless buffoons and criminals running unchecked by a complicit corporate media.

Every American should be ashamed, embarrassed and sad that their country has been bought and sold to an organized criminal enterprise which includes the entire political body and the media. The only thing the "people's representatives" have in common is contempt for the people they are ostensibly representing. It is revolting for any American to watch these cretins heaping praise on Ben Bernanke at the congressional theater of the absurd. His institution has already debased the dollar by 95% and failed miserably in every mandate they had since they took over in 1913. If any American has managed to retain or save any money, he can now put it on deposit in their banking system and earn a negative real return (a loss of his purchasing power) while at the same time the banks will take his deposit and loan it to his brother at 30% interest. So Mr Bernanke the money printer has control over the largest legal loan sharking operation ever concocted and it is funded by the America people, against the America people.

During 2009, the leadership has taken actions which benefit the corporations and special interests who own them, while showing nothing but wanton disregard for the millions of citizens whose lives their sponsors have destroyed. What we are headed towards in the US if we are not there already, is a Straussian society of ultra rich, ultra powerful oligarchs and a serfish powerless population with no middle class to speak of. The US president De Jour is, and from here on out will be a yes man, subservient to the ultra powerful too big to fail oligarchs who control the money and power and are responsible for putting him in the driver's seat. This is not compatible whatsoever with prosperity, democracy or anything else the US still holds itself out as. Here at the end of 2009, the United States has morphed into a bankrupt fascist oligarchy which owns the military machine as a policy enforcement tool, the entire political body and the media. It isn't going to fix itself because the fraud, corruption and malfeasance is systemic. It meets every definition of organized crime and it's all happening right out in the open.

In my way of thinking, this is not at all unlike the breakdown of the Soviet Union where for a period of time a sort of mafia of oligarchs wielded the wealth and power, carved up the remaining wealth of the country among themselves and had their way with the country amid a climate of manufactured fear, chaos and decay. The key point being that the people in control are out to make money and increase their power at the expense of the citizens. Mr Orwell said "the purpose of power is power" and that statement needs to be well understood. These megalomaniac, sociopathic aspirations of ever more power and control by an elitist group of criminals come at the expense of America and future Americans. It doesn't matter whatsoever to the oligarchs because they have property waiting in Croatia. When the remaining wealth has been extracted from America, they will all pull out and the citizens will be left with a rusted out bankrupt hull. I believe the circumstances for this eventuality have already been created, just not yet realized due to the enormous size of the economy and the momentum it has. In other words, I believe it's collapsing as fast as it can although living through it seems like slow motion. When viewed from the future in a historical context however, I think it will have seemed fairly rapid.

The financial markets have deteriorated into a Las Vegas casino atmosphere where the only consistent winners are the house and the too big to fail entities trading on foreknowledge and inside information shared freely between the treasury and the few remaining large trading houses. The entire system is bankrupt, fraudulent, corrupt and irretrievably broken. The anchor of the global financial system, the US dollar, has become the worlds largest ponzi scheme and the remaining 95% of the world's population would like a new, viable standard. At this point however, despite any action the FED may or may not take, the US debt is far too large to ever be repaid. It is questionable if the interest payments will even be serviceable if interest rates were to rise, and the only reason interest rates are low is because the FED is using brute force. At this time the only way out without a complete collapse is to inflate away the debt, thus turning a deflationary collapse into a long period of inflationary decay and declining standard of living.

I have been of the opinion that what we saw in October 2008 was a collapse of the global fiat financial system which was more or less expected due to the collapse of the real estate bubble. I have reminded my subscribers that when I was forecasting a drop in real estate prices of as much as 50% during the heyday of the mania, that sounded unfathomable. What I believe is in store for our future sounds nearly as unfathomable now as that idea did back then. I believe the reason it sounds unfathomable is due to the constant barrage of lies, misinformation and propaganda from the tight knit corporate media oligarchy which has essentially merged with the new power structure of the US in a corrupt, overt form of fascism that would make Mussolini blush or Goebbels the propagandist nod in approval.

Over a period of decades and with one FED induced serial bubble after another, the financial system finally reached an unsustainable level of debt and leverage in 2008. When the FED started raising interest rates, when the real estate bubble burst, it involved so much debt and leverage that the whole system failed, pricing models and risk models failed, and the banking system quickly became insolvent.

I believe we have already had a systemic collapse, and the only thing the FED can do now is alter the look and feel of the collapse and to manage the allocation of the remaining wealth. In the end, whether by deflationary collapse or inflationary decay, the result of the collapse will feel the same to the US general population regardless of the interim path taken.

If the FED had done nothing, the whole system would have quickly degenerated into a deflationary collapse and failure of the financial system due to insolvency. The course the FED chose however is the one myself and many others predicted beforehand... the FED chose to solve the problem of too much debt by creating even more debt by taking the unprecedented action of buying it's own debt under euphemisms like "quantitative easing" and "debt monetization" and also covert buying to artificially force negative real return rates of interest. Through this course of action, the FED so far has been able to turn what would have been a rapid deflationary collapse into a decaying inflationary depression which is euphemistically called "a recession that is now over" by the six people who control 96% of the global media and attempt to pass off propaganda as "news" to a woefully misinformed, dumbed down and apathetic general public.

Going forward, if the FED doesn't buy enough of their own debt, then interest rates on the long end would rise and the risk becomes a deflationary collapse into insolvency for the FED and it's banking system. If interest rates remain effectively at zero on the short end and artificially suppressed by quantitative easing on the long end, then the real estate market can recover and the banks can regain solvency. If interest rates rise as the free markets would argue for however, then the real estate market sinks even further, the US dollar rises, and greater insolvency of the banks follows. The higher interest rates go, the thinner the knife edge gets and the FED would quickly find itself staring into another October 2008 collapse kind of situation. On the other hand, if by buying enough of their own debt they can keep short and long term interest rates down, then the free money percolates through the banking system, puts pressure on the dollar, lifts commodity and real estate prices and pulls out of the collapse via inflating away the debt so long as they can avoid run away hyperinflation in the process. This is the path we have traveled throughout 2009.

The key point is that the FED has had the option of doing two things...creating even more debt in order to save itself and the banking system, or do nothing and watch themselves collapse into a mass of failure, loss of power and control, insolvency and domino style bankruptcy and default. They have chosen the expected course, which is to increase the debt and print money, which is the way they save themselves and their banking system. In short, given a choice between saving the people and saving themselves after a collapse, they have taken the expected course which is to attempt to save themselves. What else would you expect? If they had wanted to save the people they would have taken the peoples bailout money and handed it to them in the form of a check. Instead they handed it to the banks.

Although they have been somewhat successful in reducing the insolvency of the banking system, they have effectively created a giant wealth transfer mechanism whereby all the money that disappeared in the collapse was re created out of thin air and given to the banks and wall street. I think of it as a sort of shell game. The money disappeared from Mom and Pop's 401k and re appeared on the balance sheets of the banks via freshly created new money (debt). As a result, we have something still called "free market capitalism" which is not free market capitalism at all. We have emerged from this crisis with a sort of financial oligarchy where a few entities who control all the wealth and power also control politics and media. Understanding this will help to understand issues like "healthcare reform" which will involve you paying more and getting less, with the primary beneficiaries being the oligarchies who control health care and insurance.

The one major point I have to make at this time is throughout 2009, there was no action taken that put the average citizen in a better position, but instead during the course of the year there was a gigantic wealth transfer from the citizens to the banking system, effectively orchestrated by the so called "people's representatives" who are in fact, all owned by the banking system and Wall Street with half a dozen or so oligarchies and lobbyists in a public display of fraud, malfeasance and corruption that sets a new historical precedent.

I have been and remain of the opinion that the ultimate "solution" to this crisis will be for the entities who now control the wealth and power to accumulate even more wealth and power via a global central bank and global currency which now for the first time in public has been discussed on and off throughout 2009 and described as the New World Order by such luminaries as Henry Kissinger. So looking out beyond 2010, I see a new global reserve currency emerging and a global central bank which will effectively also be a global governing authority where the heads of state effectively report to the group of central bankers and their anonymous shareholders who effectively control the money, power and politicians on a global scale. When the global currency is introduced, only then do I expect a sort of collapse of the US dollar versus this global currency. In this way, the world can carry on while the former global reserve currency called the US dollar will be free to depreciate to a level where solvency is regained and the now unpayable US debt is inflated away to the point where it can be repaid in depreciated dollars. US citizens will experience a continued decay as the US becomes to resemble more and more, a third world country. Detroit is already there. The corporate media won't show it to you but if you do a youtube search on Detroit what you see will shock you.

My view of the world tends to be the long view. Throughout 2009 I have been positioned and trading in various hard assets including but not limited to gold silver, back month crude oil, Soybeans, raw land and Americana. I own and trade some Chinese shares but no US equities or bonds. I have lost confidence in the US leadership. I have lost confidence in the fairness of the "system" where some elite entities are free to keep the profits and nationalize their losses. I have opted to opt out by embarking on a long term effort to transfer more and more capital "off Wall Street" and their organized crime ring they call the banking system, and instead investing in things without fraudulent or impaired balance sheets. At some point in the future, I want to be short US 10 and 30 year bonds because it is nonsensical to me that anyone would be willing to loan a bankrupt country money for 30 years at an interest rate of 4% or so. The only reason this situation exists today is due to the FED monetizing debt and attempting to manipulate the long end using brute force.

So as we head off into 2010, I see a lot of uncertainty in the short term. If interest rates rise and the US dollar gets stronger, by mid year I would expect a repeat of October 2008. What I expect to happen over the longer term however is that the FED will ultimately print enough money to attempt to slowly inflate the debt away to a manageable amount amid a generalized and severe decay in terms of the standard of living for Average Americans. At some point along the line, I expect the world reserve currency role to be moved into a global currency and for the US dollar to be allowed to float against it without the benefits associated with the world currency role, and for the US standard of living to continue to decline and eventually decay into a societal collapse followed by something different. I expect China to emerge as the dominant economic power in the world and to purchase a large amount of US assets. Somewhere along the line I also expect the Nobel Peace Prize recipient to bomb Iran because he will be ordered to do so by the people who control the money.

Personally, based on what I see coming over the long term I have elected to forego city life and have embarked on a long term project in the picturesque Appalachian foothills in an effort to increase my degree of self sufficiency and insulate myself from the continued decay and declining standard of living sweeping the country. My long view for the US is high inflation which will not show up in the government's fraudulent statistics, along with a declining standard of living, increasing decay and ultimately leading to chaos, societal and government collapse in the US within a decade or two, maybe sooner.

I would like to end by quoting Marc Faber with one of the most compelling quotes of 2009. I find this quote compelling because the price of anything as measured by a fraudulent standard is meaningless. To me, it is a gift to be able to still exchange US dollars for anything with real value.

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corruption; systemicfraud

1 posted on 01/05/2010 8:17:43 AM PST by FromLori
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To: perchprism; LomanBill; JDoutrider; tired1; Maine Mariner; demsux; April Lexington; Marty62; ...

ping another article by the way about the fed juicing stocks is here

Is the Fed Juicing the Stock Market?

2 posted on 01/05/2010 8:19:29 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: VR-21

for later read

3 posted on 01/05/2010 8:21:44 AM PST by VR-21 (All aminals are equal.....)
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To: FromLori

Economic Recovery and the Coming Collapse pdf file

This morning at the American Economic Association meeting in Atlanta, Simon Johnson participated in a panel discussion, “Global Financial Crises: Past, Present, and Future,” with Allen Sinai (the organizer), Mike Intriligator, and Joe Stiglitz.

Among the points Johnson made:

1.The most serious problem we face is that 6 banks in the U.S. are now undeniably (in their own minds) Too Big To Fail.

2.What is going on is not standard regulatory capture, but the U.S. is now an advanced Oligopoly.

3. Banks have put money into buying intellectual influence.

4. There has been “false” financial innovation.

5. Europe is less captured by finance (Except Britain and Switzerland) .

The slide presentation that went along with Johnson’s remarks is here. It is fascinating in its observations and a must read.

4 posted on 01/05/2010 8:23:34 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

Hey, there is a football game on tonight!!!!!! Who is going to win American Idol?

5 posted on 01/05/2010 8:41:36 AM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: FromLori; rabscuttle385; TigerLikesRooster; dennisw; blam
"...according to Section 19 of the Coinage Act of 1792, the penalty prescribed for any official who fraudulently debased the people's money is death, yet in 2009 debasing the people's money resulted in a "man of the year" award from the self serving corporate media..."

The future of the USSA is to become "Argentina with nukes."

Not a pretty picture.

6 posted on 01/05/2010 8:50:15 AM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: FromLori; Lurker; The Comedian; CodeToad
He's dead right about this:

"So looking out beyond 2010, I see a new global reserve currency emerging and a global central bank which will effectively also be a global governing authority where the heads of state effectively report to the group of central bankers and their anonymous shareholders who effectively control the money, power and politicians on a global scale."

Global slavery.

7 posted on 01/05/2010 8:55:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: Travis McGee

I was wondering who would read and realize that was the end game!

8 posted on 01/05/2010 8:58:18 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

Quote was cut off.

“I would buy every three months some gold and not worry so much about the price because the weight stays the same.” -Marc Faber

The author states a worst case scenario, however it is a possible one. He is assuming that the FED can continue on until this worldwide currency takes hold. He thinks China will not miss a beat. However, he is looking at the entire matter in a vacuum, dollar centric viewpoint. To think that one fiat reserve currency can be replaced by another and the scam will continue onward is questionable. Rather if and when the dollar should collapse, it is likely that all fiat currencies will become toilet paper money as well.

The amount of mal-investment that has taken place in the US is mirrored in virtually all countries. When interest rates are close to zero, investments will be made that have no economic basis at a natural interest rate that is many times higher. This is occurring now in China. They have opened the floodgates of bank lending. This will not have a happy ending for anyone concerned.

Finally, we will have a period of “hyper” inflation. It may be 25-45 percent per annum or more. However, it will last for a short period of time and result in a major deflationary spiral.

The final solution will be a return to metallic gold or gold and silver. The bi-metalic standard will be likely because before all is said and done, it will be the only way to backup the entire money supply. Silver will likely return to its 15 to 1 gold ratio. Interestingly, the amount of gold mined as opposed to silver, amounts to close to that historic ratio. Based on the ratio, the price of silver should be around $75 now. However, gold and silver are being suppressed by the paper shorts on the comex. The price should probably be in the 1650 range but for JP Morgan’s massive shorts. However, now that the Chicom citizenry and government are active buyers in the market, its just a matter of time until the suppression scheme unfolds and the prices go parabolic.

9 posted on 01/05/2010 8:58:38 AM PST by appeal2 (Government is not the solution, it is the problem and eventually the enemy.)
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To: appeal2

Sorry it was long I thought I had it all thanks for adding it.

I wonder how much jp has gotten to cover their shorts now that the CME is taking gold as payment.

I’m waiting to see about the tungsten story Rob Kirby told me in an e mail he would have more on it soon to blow everyones socks off.

10 posted on 01/05/2010 9:05:05 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

You should read my books. I’ve been on that end-game theme for years.

11 posted on 01/05/2010 9:12:09 AM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: FromLori

The article covers detail about corruption at the highest levels of industry and government and how their corrupt actions will result in the collapse of our economy and government. Not discussed is the reaction of the people and how they will find and empower leaders to return us to our Constitutional form of government. It will not be easy and it may take time but I do not believe that people are going to give up liberty without an all out fight!

12 posted on 01/05/2010 9:13:43 AM PST by orinoco
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To: appeal2
Bimetal will work, but not at a fixed ratio. That is always a mistake, with the stronger metal at the time (based on discoveries etc) driving out the weak. Make it a gold standard, and let silver float against it to be used as small change.

This works well in practice in the following example: dollars and pesos in Mexico. The daily exchange rate is posted in every shop and store. You can pay in dollars, get change in pesos or vice versa. Cheap ubiquitous calculators make this a snap.

It would work similarly between gold and silver, if the ratio is allowed to float. A fixed ratio always introduced distortions and one or the other metal is driven out of circulataion when it is perceived to be the bargain between the two./p>

13 posted on 01/05/2010 9:17:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: Travis McGee

Are they online? Or where can I find them? I have been reading about the end game myself for years.

14 posted on 01/05/2010 9:20:52 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Travis McGee
Global slavery.

That is definitely their intent. Somehow, the Thousand Year Reich crowd never tires of defeat and picks a new hobby.

This time, however, the entire cabal is going to be taken down, not just a local faction.

And it's going down hard.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

15 posted on 01/05/2010 9:22:00 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: The Comedian
This time, however, the entire cabal is going to be taken down, not just a local faction. And it's going down hard.

May they crash and burn.

16 posted on 01/05/2010 9:24:07 AM PST by NeoCaveman (you betcha)
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To: Travis McGee

Which is why we must stop all this crap right here and now.

17 posted on 01/05/2010 9:39:49 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: FromLori; Travis McGee
and realize that was the end game!

That's always been the end game.

"Imagine a boot stomping on a human face. Forever." 1984 by George Orwell.

18 posted on 01/05/2010 10:19:42 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: FromLori
How Rising Oil Prices Will Force U.S. Into A Post-Industrial Wasteland

"This is the economy where Nature and its material companion, Reality, punish us for our stupidity and fecklessness.
This is the economy that will tear the United States apart, after it bankrupts us at every level, and mercilessly drives the population down by one-third through starvation, homelessness, violence, disease, and sheer political cruelty. "

19 posted on 01/05/2010 10:23:18 AM PST by blam
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20 posted on 01/05/2010 10:23:40 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: FromLori

I heard that they were coming up short on exercised gold contracts and were offering 25 percent premiums to settle in cash. The tungsten thing is pretty amazing. Not sure if it’s a govt scam or a private. It is a very difficult thing to pull off without some very sophisticated partners.

21 posted on 01/05/2010 10:32:40 AM PST by appeal2 (Government is not the solution, it is the problem and eventually the enemy.)
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To: FromLori


22 posted on 01/05/2010 10:39:25 AM PST by JDoutrider
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To: FromLori

You can buy Travis McGee’s books here:

23 posted on 01/05/2010 11:01:31 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Lurker; Travis McGee; blam

How Big Finance Bought Uncle Sam

24 posted on 01/05/2010 11:07:26 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori
"I’m waiting to see about the tungsten story Rob Kirby told me in an e mail he would have more on it soon to blow everyones socks off."

Can you tell me more about this?

25 posted on 01/05/2010 1:56:46 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

I saved his e mail in a blog. I sent him an e mail after that tungsten story he wrote and he answered me back. But other then that I have yet to see more on the story.

Here is what he said...

Someone else asked me the same question yesterday. This was my response:

It would appear that Adrian Ash has read and taken great stock of the moron - Jon Nadler’s smear job of me. I wrote a number of articles about this as I gathered more information. The first one I wrote cited gold trades [which I mistakenly assumed were done in NY – COMEX – which would have been futures]. I subsequently learned that the trades were actually “put on” in London [making them forwards] and the beneficial owners stood for ALLOCATED delivery instead of POOLED delivery – which is what caused all the problems for the criminals who sold what they did not have.

For Adrian Ash to suggest I have not dealt with and explained this adequately – I really have nothing else to say except I pity him and I’m glad I’m not wearing his shoes. I stand by what I’ve written and this issue is not going away – in fact, it is getting bigger and uglier by the day.

Rob Kirby

There should be more coming on this in the VERY near future. I don’t think Adrian Ash or the folks at Bullion Vault are going to like it.

26 posted on 01/05/2010 2:40:02 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: NeoCaveman
May they crash and burn.

May ravenous dogs knaw their twitching limbs.

May their children curse their parents and help weave the ropes from which they are hung.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

27 posted on 01/05/2010 3:00:31 PM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: FromLori


28 posted on 01/05/2010 3:00:55 PM PST by blam
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To: The Comedian
May ravenous dogs knaw their twitching limbs. May their children curse their parents and help weave the ropes from which they are hung.

That's beautiful.

I just hope I live long enough to hear the lamentations of their women.

29 posted on 01/05/2010 3:24:41 PM PST by NeoCaveman (you betcha)
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To: CodeToad; Lurker


30 posted on 01/05/2010 4:18:55 PM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: FromLori
They're on Amazon and some catalog companies. But about 100 pages of each are on my website as free excerpts.

31 posted on 01/05/2010 4:20:30 PM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: Travis McGee

The ‘Creature From Jekel Island’ has grown hungry for global dining.

32 posted on 01/05/2010 4:25:17 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: appeal2

Gold coated tungsten bars could ONLY work between conspirators. At the level of trading gold bars, the fakery would be extremely easy to detect. Only in weight are gold and tungsten similar. In hardness, conductivity etc they are very disimilar, and those differences are simple to detect.

33 posted on 01/05/2010 4:25:35 PM PST by Travis McGee (
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Got that right! Chains for the world, one size fits all, and no escape to free jurisdictions.

34 posted on 01/05/2010 4:27:16 PM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: blam

Sure I thought about it after you asked and I e mailed him again he is really nice taking e mails anyway this is the latest response.

Rob Kirby to me
show details 6:13 PM (2 hours ago)

I have commented to my subscribers recently that audits / assays have been occurring in great numbers in many vaults around the world over the past couple of months with the exception of one VERY large Swiss banking institution [which is really more American than Swiss if the truth be known] who refuses to allow ANYONE – including the beneficial owners of metal contained within - anywhere near their vaults / depositories.

Other than that – which I believe is very odd in itself – nothing to report yet for public consumption.

Rob Kirby

35 posted on 01/05/2010 6:28:05 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Travis McGee

good one

36 posted on 01/05/2010 6:44:08 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: FromLori

Good link. It’s from a liberal perspective but correct about Wall St and the FIRE sector of the economy.

What is FIRE? People who make money by handling money. Finance insurance and real estate. They are the closest to the action ....But when America was great our industrialists were the ones closest to the action. If you were in big steel or automobiles you were king

Now the useless scum who make nothing are kings. The ones who have their thieving hands right on the money...... Of course the temptation is to steal some and steer some your way

37 posted on 01/05/2010 7:19:07 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: FromLori

Thank you for the follow up.

38 posted on 01/05/2010 8:38:58 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Your welcome :)

39 posted on 01/05/2010 9:19:09 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: dennisw

I came to the unpleasant realization a few years ago that one no longer, with a few notable exceptions, becomes wealthy by creating wealth.

The only way to become wealthy is to move large sums of money from one holder to another and skim off a percentage (”commission”) for yourself.

40 posted on 01/06/2010 8:52:36 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

We agree!
Kind of pathetic ain’t it
And to make big money by handling money you often need a million dollars to make something decent off a small spread. Of course you borrow the money to do it

41 posted on 01/06/2010 9:41:53 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: DuncanWaring


The Warning
At the time it was founded, LTCM was the biggest, most prestigious hedge fund ever created. The brainchild of John Meriwether, former head of bond trading at Salomon Brothers, it had two future Nobel Prize winners as partners, a staff of virtuoso traders and brilliant mathematicians, $10 million worth of fancy engineering workstations, and an initial capitalization somewhere north of $1 billion. It was the largest start-up hedge fund in history.

It was also one of the most successful. But LTCM didn't make its money by doing anything so crude as betting on things like the rise and fall of the stock market. In fact, like most big hedge funds, LTCM paid very little attention to stocks. The Dow Jones average might get all the attention, but Wall Street pros know two things: The market for debt is far larger than the market for equities, and it provides far more fertile ground for mathematical manipulation and epic profits.

But clever mathematics alone isn't enough to make Gatsbyesque fortunes. For that, you need to use leverage. You need to borrow other people's money. Lots of it.

It's easy to see why. A typical LTCM bet would start when someone noticed a spread that seemed a little out of whack. For example, two bonds might trade for slightly different prices even though they were nearly identical. So LTCM would go long in one bond and short in the other, essentially betting that the spread would narrow. Bond traders deal in basis points—hundredths of a percentage point—and a bet like this might depend on a spread of, say, 20 basis points narrowing to 10. That's a nearly invisible movement, and on a million-dollar trade it nets you a grand total of $1,000. Hardly worth bothering with unless you make it a billion-dollar bet instead. That's what LTCM did: It mastered a method that let it borrow huge sums of money practically for free and that turned thousand-dollar profits into million-dollar profits. Do that a few hundred times a year and you're talking real money.

Federal Campaign Cash From Financial Sector

But leverage is a harsh mistress: It allows you to make lots of money when things go right, but it also allows you to lose lots of money very quickly when they don't. And in 1998 things didn't go right. Spreads that were supposed to narrow kept widening, and LTCM was forced to dip into its own capital to pay back the huge short-term loans it had taken out to leverage its bets. Losses kept mounting, creditors called in their loans, and eventually everything came crashing down.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the crash: The New York Fed stepped in and arranged a bailout. Almost all of Wall Street's biggest firms participated, and they did so for one reason: The Fed convinced them that LTCM was too big to fail. An uncontrolled bankruptcy might set off a domino effect that could bring down dozens of banks. A few months later, an interagency report concluded, "The near collapse of LTCM illustrates the need for all participants in our financial system, not only hedge funds, to face constraints on the amount of leverage they assume." It was a bipartisan judgment, signed by Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan and by Robert Rubin, Bill Clinton's treasury secretary.

42 posted on 01/06/2010 9:43:35 AM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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